There isn’t much you can do to help those who think their penis is smaller. They will always be insecure. They won’t come out and say it but you can make out they have a ‘problem’ by their behaviour in other issues.
My friends at ChristianAggression.org seems to have the same problem. They spend their after work hours and weekends telling the world how they Christians are taking over India. Through Aggression. Oh! and I almost forgot, our friends do this from their homes in the United States of America.
Think of the irony, these losers left India for the US, gave up their Indian nationality and now is involved in a crusade to save India from the Christians. Just so that they don’t upset their host country, they have the following disclaimer on their website,
“Note: The views expressed on this site are those of the respective authors and not necessarily those of this website. This website holds the Christian faith in high regard and is in no way anti-Christian. Rather this website is opposed to the aggression practiced under in the name of Christianity.“
Right. You name your site christianaggression.org and you claim that you are “in no way anti-christian”.
What exactly are you losers worried about? That 2.3 per cent of Indian’s Christian community will take over the Red Fort in Delhi? Is that why you left India and took up citizenship of the US?
So to my American friend with a small problem, sitting somewhere in Scottsdale, Arizona, all I want to say is: India is my country, if we have a problem, we will solve it. Please don’t waste your bandwidth and web-design skills on creating hate. Take down your website by the end of this month. If you don’t, I will be reporting this matter to the Government of India and the US authorities. I will not let losers like you create divisions in my country.
February 10, 2007 at 8:24 pm
I always wonder what these people (who hate) did before the internet arrived. How did they get vent their hate? Nowadays the internet has become the favorite way of doing it. Anyone can start a blog…and start the bashing. I think you should complain to the host of the site too.
May 15, 2012 at 1:24 am
Deuteronomy 11:26
Look, today I am giving you the choice between a blessing:
h t t p : / / w w w . w i k i n f o . o r g / i n d e x . p h p / C a t e g o r y : P r i m o r d i a l i t y
and a curse:
!
February 10, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Well, i think everyone has a right to freedom of expression. One man’s hate speech is another man’s truth.
February 11, 2007 at 12:44 am
Nita, I intend to take on these guys through the court. I have asked my lawyer to file a case.
@Apollo, everyone has a freedom of expression. Not hate talk. In the US these guys might get away with it but I can assure you that the material on the site is enough for me get a non bailable warrant against them.
December 29, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Hey Chacko, Like You I am an Indian Christian. I have viewed the said website Christianaggression.org and I have not found anything offending in their writeup. What they are against is Unethical conversions blatantly taking place by some missionaries of alternative churches/ministries. It is in our best interest that we Mainstream Christians should take necessary proactive action against this menace for the overall betterment of ourselves as these guys are also converting the mainstream Christians into their fundamentalist fold which is highly deplorable and detrimental especially for us in India.
February 11, 2007 at 8:23 am
chacko,
I don’t agree. there is a lot of stuff in the bible that could be represented as hate speech against unbelievers. so do we call for the ban on the bible too?
I believe there is no such thing as good and bad free speech. if we go down this line then within no time we will find the scope for freedom of expression reducing till we end up with a 1984 style regime obsessed with every little thing u say or do.
Ofcourse there are sensible limits to free speech. for example one cannot shout “Fire” in a crowded place and one cannot directly incite someone to violence against any individual or group. Short of that we have no choice but to tolerate all forms of opinion.
June 12, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Apollo Got points too, but anyway did you manage to do something chacko? because this is year 2009.. Long long time after this post, but still the website is running fine ??? Am i missing something here?
February 11, 2007 at 9:26 am
I wonder if you are blind to irony in your post? You start your sentence with a nice quote and then go on criticizing someone else’s belief. What is that with Indians in India that they consider Indians outside India less Indian? Or that Indians in India have exclusive right to think about India, and noone else can do so? Something about short penis, is it?
February 11, 2007 at 10:45 am
I think it is only a website spreading anti-Christian propaganda using various sources. There are far more objectionable websites in India itself abusing different communities. So why single out this?
Rather than telling them that India is your country and they have no business here, tell them with reason why they are wrong. By writing this ‘they hate christians, so I dont like them’ post you have only given them a few more hits.
February 11, 2007 at 11:16 am
Woke, I wouldn’t have cared if the site was anti-Christian, there is a lot of that around. But if you put together a site that is aiming to create problems between communities in my country, then I do have a problem with it.
Ashish,
I’m an Indian who is based outside India.
February 11, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Chacko,
There are too much of these kind of websites. Against Christians, Muslims, Communists and so on… But I don’t think its a good idea to ban them unless they’re calling their readers for a violent action on any of these groups. And the best way to resist them is to prove their findings wrong (if that’s the case) and if they are preaching false propaganda, reveal them in public through a blog post. That’s the best thing.
But I agree with you when you said you don’t understand how these guys think 2.3% of Christians are going to take over India on the religious basis. It is their insecurity feeling. If a religion could survive for more than 1000s of years, it will still survive if it has anything good in it. I don’t understand their insecurity ill feeling.
February 11, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Pretty much agree to what Joe said.
February 13, 2007 at 8:03 pm
The site essentially exposes the covert deception of the the missionaries and evangelists to convert Hindus. The website only compiles and posts the articles. That is all.
If you have a problem you should go to the original articles …. which essentially are Christian churches which openly speak of their hatred for Hinduism and plans to convert them.
February 13, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Dear Chacko,
While you are free to take any action you deem fit, if you are able to go to a court and if Hindu groups are able to gather the info to present to the court, you then will know what is happening.
Kindly understand that a web is not going to create hate in my or any other person’s mind hate since every one of us – that include you and me – think that we are mature. At least that is what we think. So no one accept such news blindly. When we read something, we relate it and then think over that. We discuss and check and cross check. Only then we go to the next stage of thinking that there could be some truth in that. So no news is bad news and no news is good news. An info is only info until one studies that and work on that. And i believe even u are not one to blindly accept what ever you read blindly.
However I can point out very idiotic stories presented by several Christian conversion organisations that are floating in the web. But i am not interested in that since i am one to think that what we can do is only to talk to people and discuss with people and any ignorant one who thinks that by conversion he can go to heaven, better let him since Like Christ said ” God, he does not know what he is doing, pardon him for his ignorance ”
But that does not leave me to keep quite and so we do discuss and we see how people could be told of what is happening. Also we are not ones – like VHP etc who are in for fights.
In my humble opinion, it will be nice for you to please try a little bit understand what is happening by reading the posts of people who do not belong to christianity and who feel bad about the way govt is acting as far as Hinduism is concerned.
Are you aware that in India, the temples are controlled by govt while christianity and muslims have freedom to control their relgious institutions?
Have you noticed how christianity work on development of their community while we Hindus feel orphaned as the govt has no interest in development of hindu religious institutions ? The people who work in temples get peanuts and they have no chance of growth – growth by way of learning further the scriptures, go for research on the subjects they have learned etc? what can the community do in such a situation?
I am one to think that God if there is one introduced DIVERSITY for the benefit of the creation – or the order. But now human beings think that they are more intelligent that GOD – if there is one and they want to unify. they want to convert people to their thinking. Not by educating them, but by offering incentives – monetary benefits – etc. some times one wonder what difference is there between a religion like this and political party – except that in politics one can change the party as and when one feels where as religion one can not change too many times.
I suggest you kindly get into a discussion mode with people who are interested and see what is their thinking instead of all these court etc..In India, we have any number of instances where in people get a warrant even against president of India – but because it was a sting operation by a media to show the pathetic condition how our people act, probably the person who issued might have lost his job or may be in suspension getting half the salary until his case is decided – which may take another 20 years .
There is no disease worse than poverty
there is no poverty worse than ignorance.
so learn, teach, grow to maturity
February 13, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Chacko,
Your argument is illogical in multitude. Having gone through the website you mentioned i.e., christianaggression.com, which I visited for the first time, I don’t think any court would even entertain this case. The reason is that site is a subject specific blog posting articles found on various news sources. They are neither spreading hate or writing inflammatory articles. If you read a news item on LATimes against Christian fundamentalism and forward it to a couple of your friends. Is it called spreading hate? If a news paper publishes it is not hate whereas if it is distributed because somebody likes the article, do you call it hate?
I am also a Christian like you, hurt by the news articles they post but we have to accept that many people are misusing the message of Jesus.
February 13, 2007 at 9:54 pm
This is not to take sides. But you have to
admit that Christians of India do not have
their hands clean either. How missionaries
converted the Hindus forcibly can be explored at the links below. And there
are hundreds of Christian websites which
defame Hindu faith. You already know that!
http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/christian-india-terrorism.html
http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/christian-missionary-atrocities.html#India-Missionaries
February 13, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Conversions in India are not only highly unethical — that is, using unethical means of conversion — but also that they threaten a whole way of life, erasing centuries of tradition, customs, wisdom, teaching people to despise their own religion and look Westwards to a culture which is alien to them, with disastrous results. Francois Gautier
For once Hindus are waking up and protecting their culture. We Hindus never convert and you must also respect our dharma and stop conversion. Converted Hindus live with complex and conflict within, so why snatch anyone’s faith? Try doing that in a catholic country and you will end up in behind bars. The said website is only protecting our dharma and they must carry on the task.
February 13, 2007 at 10:41 pm
I am interested to hear that American evangelists and missionaries consider themselves to be Christians. I was under the impression that they were merely surrogates of Uncle Sam’s many imperialist ventures to enslave as many people as possible, especially all us darkies. Well, you got a right kicking in Vietnam, a handful of Iraqis have your pants down to your knees and you know want to mess with one billion Hindus.
Once a slave owner, always a slave owner. Stop hiding behind Jesus Christ, a perfectly harmless disciple of god we Hindus revere. But Yankee slave-owners go home or we will have to make you, just like the Iraqis are doing right now.
February 13, 2007 at 11:11 pm
This chako from kerala who claims to be a christian , were your forfathers christians too?
September 16, 2014 at 2:36 am
madam ‘
Message here is not to advertise the religion , as its personal , keep it that way , if someone is advertising ” say openly they are ” , his forefathers was homo-sapiens at the most , I dont get it what did you say ” where they hindus “???
September 16, 2014 at 8:01 pm
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vel
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WARNING
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February 13, 2007 at 11:22 pm
Hello chako, How about filing a case against the following website??
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0070/0070_01.asp
February 14, 2007 at 12:46 am
dear chacko,
you seem to be a nice fellow.
But the things you said about the fellows
who run christian aggression site are not so nice.
you see hindus are very tolerant people. secularism is in their genes.Through out history India welcomed and gave shelter for people who were persecuted around the world. Be it syrian christians, Jews, parsis, and even sufi muslims.
In return , they are getting
paid of destroying their civilization.pope
comes to India and says 1st millenium Europe, 2nd millenium Americas, 3rd millenium Asia. There are a billion souls to be saved in India. Let us harvest those souls.Did all your ancestors go to hell because they were not christians. How would
you like some other religious head comes and says , you need to be saved otherwise
you are going to hell.
There are tremondous things
happening against majority interest, by an ignorant alien woman. For example in state of
andhra pradesh, non hindus are in control of hindu temples, and destroying hindu institutions systematically.How would you like the next pope to be a muslim for example.
February 14, 2007 at 12:53 am
Dear Chacko: I must commend you for taking the time out from saving these heathain souls, to write articles. It struck me that St. Paul Dinakaran’s private Boeing 747 is very much like the Holy Cross, but the arms are a bit bent. Very holy indeed. Are the Mercedes Benz fleets of the Holy See doing well, now that the Vatican is having to spend all those trillions covering up the baby-buggering lawsuits??? Talk about “men” with micro-penises – what do you think of all your Rear Reverends?
I note that you call yourself a Crusader. Ah! A true sample of the love and non-violence that Jesus Christ preached, no doubt?
“Love thy neighbor’s goat as thine own”???
February 14, 2007 at 1:16 am
Mr. Chacko, if you, as you claim, are possessed of a larger penis (what a crude way to describe your macho manhood!)than most complaining Hindus who contribute to Christianaggression website, then go take your campaign to any Muslim country like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc., all of whom vie with each other in suppressing Christians as infidels with great gusto. Your Jesus will be much more proud and grateful to you for saving him from all the humiliations that he and his loyal disciples have to suffer every day in any of these countries. Don’t abuse the privileges you are given as a minority by the meek Hindus, or you may have a place reseseved in ‘eternal’ Hell! After all, it was your Jesus who said “It is the meek who shall inherit the earth and reach Heaven”. Learn something from the Muslims of Indonesia who still respect the culture of their Hindu ancestors despite the dictates of their imposed religion of Islam.
February 14, 2007 at 1:46 am
Hi Guys,
Don’t blame Chacko. He represents the typical Indian Christian mentality and following Church’s cental message “Evil is anything which opposes the Church; Christians should destroy evil”. Due to this fascist mentality Christian denominations fight among themselves and steal other’s sheep.
Chacko was brought up in that environment so he cannot tolerate any questioning or oppostion.
There wasn’t much awareness among Jains and Hindus regarding Christian conversion activities but an average man has more knowledge about the sinster campaigns going on.
Earlier I wanted to donate some money to christianaggression.org who politely refused, which no Church ever does. If the people behind that site get into legal trouble Jain community will stand by them.
Does anybody know the people running that site? I want to talk to them.
February 14, 2007 at 3:12 am
That was a nice joke by Chakko..By the by y this attention seeking immature guy is threatening over here instead of filing a suit..if filing a suit plz let us know as well and also on which court u have filed it..Hope u will leave your address also while filing..awaiting your response chako..
February 14, 2007 at 3:22 am
Hi Mate..R u the very same Joseph working in Dubai??
Nice to know that you will be flying soon to US to file this case.
Convey my regards to Bush Uncle as well can you plz file a case against faithfreedom.org as well, I will pay u some Dinar..there are many other jewish sites as well who spits venom against us..Plz find out the procedure there in US and let me know..
When are you flying to US? U got your Visa cleared?
Any how happy Journey..u crusader..
Farooq
February 14, 2007 at 3:33 am
Abetting the missionaries and encouraging evangelism in India should be declared as an act of treason and people indulging in that should be stamped traitors.
The spreading of Christainity in India is diluting the very concept of India.She is a unique nation in this planet and she should be left alone.Please spread this concept.
February 14, 2007 at 5:56 am
Hi Chacko,
I have come across many like you who were hindus copule of generations back and converted to christianity for money. In fact I still remember a class mate of mine who used to preach during day condemning other religions and do all immoral activities at night. I feel it is the your guilty conscious of converting to another religion which makes you shout at other religions. Before speaking about others try to clean your own backyard.
February 14, 2007 at 6:12 am
Hi Chacko,
Are you saying that your pallil achans(fathers or preachers) can say lies about other religions but others are not allowed to expose you people. Do you know how many churches (Business houses) were closed in US last year as people started suing them for mollesting children. Every week you see christian preachers being arrested for illegal activities(i.e, money laundering , mollesting children ). The biggest real estate mafia in Kerala is run by one Yohanan. I know people who have been conned by him. MANY LIKE YOU GOT CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY FOR MONEY. For People likelike you christians)nothing comes before money not even your parents or brothers.
February 14, 2007 at 8:47 am
All one needs to know about Christianity is right here — the terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send peace, but a sword.
“For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
“And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
– Matthew 10:34-36.
February 14, 2007 at 8:50 am
All one needs to know about Christian aggression is right here — the terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian Bible:
“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. — Matthew 10:34-36.
So to this Christian Crusader can Hindus say: India is a Hindu country, if we have a problem, we will solve it. Please don’t create hate through your Jesus/Bible. Take down your Jesus/Bible by the end of this month. If you don’t, we will be reporting this matter to the Government of India and the US authorities. We will not let losers like you create divisions in our country in the name of your Jesus/Bible.
WHAT AGGRESSION? http://www.christianaggression.org/about_need.php
February 14, 2007 at 9:33 am
Hi Chacko,
I am from India. I have seen with my own eyes how blatantly conversions take place in my country. Well not so much in the north at the moment though the efforts are on. It is in the southern states, where you come from. It is openly done. Even in places like Tirupati, our holy place, it is rampant. There is perhaps no Hindu religious place in southern India which does not have a huge church, a large cross or other symbol of Christianity very close to the Hindu religious place. It all seems deliberate and a forceful way to establish your presence. And since in the south there is absolutely no resisitance to these things, christian fundamentalists are emboldend. I am not lying. Please visit the outskirts of Chennai to see what’s going on, not to speak of the interior regions of AP, Tamil Nadu, Kerala. Coming to northern India, that’s now the prime target. Even our Kumbh Mela is not spared by the missionaries. They just hate other religions. They want to follow the worse of what is their in the bible, i.e. spread Christianity, whichever way you can. Fraud, money, deceit it doesn’t matter. But sweep the world with christianity. It is these missionaries who are dividing families, spreading religious hatred and should be condemned.
February 14, 2007 at 9:43 am
Shameless article….
Churches in india are ighly active in converting poor hindus and if there is a website to expose their reality.. such article prop up!
February 14, 2007 at 10:20 am
Hate is more in this particular article and un-civilized language used by the author. Author better argue with the facts than claiming who wrote it or from where.
February 14, 2007 at 10:34 am
I don’t think I need to say more than just pasting the text from http://www.christianaggression.com/about_need.php itself:
You are probably wondering what is the aggression caused by Christians in India. You may wonder how can a minority religion that is only 3% of the population cause aggression in a nation of over 1,000,000,000 people. In the press, the aggresion and “persecution” of Christians is often publicized. However it is never publicized how Christian Fundamentalists often incite this cycle of violence and aggression.
The root cause of Christian aggression in India is caused by the fact that Christianity believes that Jesus Christ is the only son of god. He is supposed to have been sent to earth to wash away the sins of the people, and so redeem them. Of course, this happens only to those who accept him as the only son of god. All the others do not get the benefit who do not have this shared belief will be burnt in hell for all eternity.
Christianity says that it has a unique path to salvation, and all the other paths are false. While there is supposed to be some modification in these views, the acceptance is that all the other paths may at most be second best. Therefore, it is better if people accept Christianity and not take a chance.
Christians believe that they have been commanded by Christ to go and “save” (convert) the people of this world. This is also supposed to give them special merit when it comes to the day of final judgment.
While there are many Christians who today do not believe in this exclusivity, there are a still large number of misguided Christians who still believe that in the exclusivity of Christianity and the concept of saving souls.
It is this misguided belief that causes breeds a hatred and intolerance for other religions. and from this hatred, these Christian Fundamentalists begin their aggression to convert. And often they will go to any means to convert even if it means violence.
This website seeks to educate the world about the atrocities that conversions bring and to bring this aggressive nature of Christianity to an end.
June 12, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Good work Mr.Gupta..
February 14, 2007 at 10:35 am
Chacko,
All the best in your case, BTW way you seems to have disappeared.
RGDS
Suviraj
February 14, 2007 at 11:09 am
Guys,
Personal attacks, quotes from the Bible and sweeping generalisations aside, I do not think the author ever justified in terms of religion. His only concern seems to be that the website is creating rifts in the community – which may or may not be true. You are free to disagree.
Please realise that all forms of generalisation is dangerous and non-sensical. Whether it is “Christians has a fascist mentality”, “Muslims are terrorists” or “Hindus are evil-worshippers”.
So if you feel any Christian groups are guilty of doing forcible conversions, please be specific.
February 14, 2007 at 11:23 am
Forcible conversions or induced conversions are wrong and nowhere has Chacko said that he supports it.
December 26, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Nita,
Are you another Christian Mallu who is going all out to stand by your country cousin? Conversions if any should take place out of conviction and not by convenience or deception.
February 14, 2007 at 11:51 am
Nita
Chacko has not gone into the site which collects all the hatred heaped by Christian websites and essentially exposes them. So Chacko is unhappy that the missionary hatred is exposed.
Missionary activities are generally covert and deceptive and done by inducements and taking advantage of poverty and sufferings of people – exploitative and unethical in nature.
The original articles are from Christian websites — take note of that
Here are some links from christianaggression – click on source
From Times of India
Tension in Tripura hills over mass conversion
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/India/Tension_in_Tripura_hills_over_mass_conversion/articleshow/1014905.cms
From Zee news
Himachal Pradesh passes anti-conversion legislation
http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=345082&sid=REG&ssid=
Hindustan Times (This link does not work but you can access the moscow news
Russian Archbishop calls Lord Krishna ‘Satan’
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/12/08/krishnasatan.shtml
Robertson Says All Other Religions Worship “Demonic Powers”
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/2006/11/robertson_says.html
Who is spreading hate — go figure! Don’t blame the messengers, blame the intolerance of the Christian religion and their preachers who believes only their god is one and the only true on and all others are destined to eternal hell.
February 14, 2007 at 12:15 pm
hello all,
while we all agree that no personal attack or rift with our Dear Chacko, while – as Nita says – no where has Chacko said that he support conversion – forced or induced – the point also is no where he has stated anything against that also. It would have been nice if he had taken pains to present a case in a better way instead of just complaining and threatening.
We have no problems with DIVERSITY. We all enjoy Diversity as that is one most important factor that makes this life as beautiful inspite of the problems and suffering etc that we have around us.
Who stops any one if one wish to help others who are in distress? But who is interested in helping people in distress -for free? they want a pie for providing the ” help “.
This is the problem and the sooner it is understood better for the whole world.
February 14, 2007 at 12:33 pm
I think this Chacko chap would have done himself (and all of us spending time responding to his BS) a world of good to check if reports of aggressive proselytization India are true. Reports emerging from almost every part of India suggest that they are. Prospective converts are promised food, clothes, books, and even money to convert. What’s wrong if someone decides to expose this racket?
February 14, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Friends,
I really don’t understand why these stupid people staying miles away from India have to do with country?
Why Vatican is funding Christian missionaries in India?
Why they are setting alliance to hang Darasinh who killed priest in India?
This is Darasinhs country, what these pope, and bishops with small belongings, have to do with this?
This is our country, our problems, we will solve these internally.
AM I RIGHT CHACKO?
February 14, 2007 at 2:34 pm
The two arrogant and holier-than-thou monotheistic religions–viz, Christianity and Islam–have over the last two millenia, and will always remain a source of conflict and warfare in the world until they realize the basic Truth that God the Creator of the universe is, like the Sun and the Moon, one in every part of the world and bestows His beneficence and Compassion impartially to every one of His creation regardless of race, skin color, geography, national origin or religious beliefs, precsely because all of them are His children and are designed to carry the imprints of Hs prowess. As a Sanskrit verse narrates so beautifully: ” It is only the petty-minded who constantly dwell in creating divisions saying ‘this is mine, and that is not mine’. But the large-hearted persons know and live in the wisdom that the whole earth is but one harmonious famly”.
June 15, 2011 at 6:02 am
F**king Indians should die!
February 14, 2007 at 2:38 pm
I would like to thank all of you for your responses. I would like to especially thank Puneet Goel for providing a link to Chick publication’s cartoons. It thought it was really funny.
At the onset, I would like to state some facts about me. This is because a lot of you seem to be coming to your own conclusions about who I am, where I am, when my family converted and what’s the size of my penis.
1. I’m an Indian first. Religion to me is a personal matter.
2. I’m totally against forced or enticed conversions. It does more harm than good, particularly to the Christian community in India. I strongly support an Indian citizen’s right to choose the religion of his choice. It should be a personal choice.
3. My uncle was the only Christian (other than George Fernandez) to be a minister in the BJP led NDA union government. [This information is just to hint to you that my political ideology is not Left of centre]
4. When did my family become Christian? Frankly I don’t know. I have had access to records as far as the 1600 but Syro Malabar records before that were either lost or destroyed by the Portuguese – (The Syrian Christians fought the Portuguese because they wanted to impose their form of Christianity on us)
My post was against an American website spreading hate about the Christian community in India. The website does not give details about who is running the site nor about the authors who are sending them the reports. I did a google on the authors and they don’t seem to exist.
If there is a problem with missionaries in India, there is a mechanism within India to solve it. We don’t need people who have given up their Indian citizenships and taken an oath to protect and serve another constitution how to run our country. We don’t need these people/websites spreading false information about minorities in our country.
Why doesn’t Christianaggression.org site contactable sources? Why does Christianaggression.org register itself as an organization? Why is there no contact detail for Christainaggression.com other a Yahoo id? Why are most of the contact details for christainaggression.org domain left blank?
Manoj, Darasingh led a mob who burned three people, including two children alive. He was convicted by an Indian court. Let the law take its own course. I don’t think Vatican pays for Churches in India. Infact, we pay the Vatican for social missions around the world. There was a recent article in Indian Today about how Indian catholic priests are running Churches around the world. For example, the Vatican ambassador to Iraq is an Indian.
It’s a bit ironic that it took all of you so long to respond to my post and none of you have bothered to leave a real name or email address. Scared? Insecure?
February 14, 2007 at 3:39 pm
Chacko
I think you got your answer. When Christianity suffered in India whole Christian religion united to hang Darasinh. I appreciate.
When Hinduism is getting suffered in India because of alien religion, why NRI should not strike back?
Vatican is funding conversions across the world is truth, everyone is aware of it. In fact they are interfering in Tirumalla issue.
And buddy you will need to set new chain of courts in India to sue such people. Hindus are awakening.
And about nationality:
Hinduism teaches everyone to love their motherland. Matrubhumi.
February 14, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Manoj is that the best come back you could manage?
->When Christianity suffered in India whole Christian religion united to hang Darasinh.
It’s Darasingh. The whole country was united to make sure that this murderer of children is punished. Regardless of anybody’s religion. He was tried in court and sentenced.
->When Hinduism is getting suffered in India because of alien religion, why NRI should not strike back?
Strike back at what? Fellow Indians? What is an Alien religion? India is a secular republic just in case you hadn’t noticed.
->Vatican is funding conversions across the world is truth, everyone is aware of it. In fact they are interfering in Tirumalla issue.
I don’t know what is the Tirumalla issue. I also don’t know where you get your edition of the truth from. But you can now check with the Vatican itself if they are funding anything in India.
->And buddy you will need to set new chain of courts in India to sue such people. Hindus are awakening.
Good morning. Frankly I don’t care who is awake or sleep. If you spread misinformation about my country, I will sue you ass.
->Hinduism teaches everyone to love their motherland. Matrubhumi.
Since when did Arizona become Matubhumi of Hindus?
Have a red bull, think a bit more before you pollute the Internet.
February 14, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Well,
A cheap reply but up to expectations.
Strike back at what? (Aggression of dirty intension)
What is an Alien religion? (Religion which is being practiced in India, just because enforcement)
>>If you spread misinformation about my country, I will sue you ass.
It was pretty pleasant reply. Love India by heart.
>>Since when did Arizona become Matubhumi of Hindus?
Try to remember Madanlal Dhingra, Gadar, Abhinav Bharat Sanstha…..
Remembered????
February 14, 2007 at 4:33 pm
->A cheap reply but up to expectations.
Thank you.
->Strike back at what? (Aggression of dirty intension)
What is ‘Aggression of dirty intension’? You mean porn? Please don’t take that away.
->What is an Alien religion? (Religion which is being practiced in India, just because enforcement)
You mean all religions practiced in India are alien? ‘just because enforcement’ – I didn’t get that bit.
->>>If you spread misinformation about my country, I will sue your ass.
It was pretty pleasant reply. Love India by heart.
Ekdum dil se. Is your and those of you Arizona based buddies loving the same country ‘by heart’ as their passports?
>>Since when did Arizona become Matubhumi of Hindus? Try to remember Madanlal Dhingra, Gadar, Abhinav Bharat Sanstha…..Remembered????
Who are they? Your cousins? I know Gadar is movie starring Sunny Deol.
Come on Manoj, try harder, go beyond my expectations. Stop naming cousins.
February 14, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Huh
Madanlal Dhingra, Gadar, Abhinav Bharat Sanstha…..Remembered????
Who are they? You cousins?
Not my cousins. Dhingra was GOD. Everything for me. And all true Indians.
Now everyone can suggest you
Dont pollute internet with your craps.
February 14, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Dear Mr.Chacko,
Just writing in to thank you for suppling those vital parts (of information) in the 1st para of your complaint.It may be a small issue for some, but it helped me to find out whether the site in question is grrrrrreat or ‘small(er)”.
My investigation shows that site is actually great ,so now ,you need not be insecure about it (since all of us know that ‘smaller’ only causes insecurity ).
I am in awe of you.You are a great underwear– i mean undercover agent almost in the same league as James Bond ….that bit(small thing) about nri’s(please note that i have used small letters for them) operating from their homes is another vital part (of information)which helps to accurately pinpoint(again small)the size of their crusade.I’m glad you did’nt forget that information.
But you did withhold another vital part(of information)– the fact that the kind of people that make up this loser category comprises of doctors/ scientists /engineers etc etc .You are indeed so right they must be scum to have risen to the top of society and that is why from those heights they think size of christains =2.3 millimetre– i mean million which is considerably small can penetrate into red fort area…Ghosh! i’m getting confused –is christain size big or small(of population)……anyway who cares about these hindus who try to enforce no discrimination=one size for all ,in India……..
But you and I can fix them we have government of India(= Sonia christain Auntie) on our side…and by the God of small things we will.Till then take care……be happy ……i pray let even the small things in life bring you pleasure.
_CS
February 14, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Chacko
You have mentioned you are against “an American website spreading hate about the Christian community in India. ”
Now let us break that into two.
1. American Based: Does is really matter where a site is based in this internet age.
There are many reasons people prefer an American base.
The servers/host may be cheaper, more reliable, of course we have more IT personnel there. One very important consideration is censorship fears which is more in India and less in the United States.
So this question is a moot point.
2.Now mention spreading hatred about Christian community
This is the crux of your complaint. All else like you being an Indian blah, blah is irrelevant.
Now kindly let us know where and how does the website spread hatred about Hinduism.
Where is your proof. So far you have been repeatedly asserting that the site spread hatred, without an iota of proof.
I have given my proof that the site shows the hatred spread by Christian websites on Hinduism and other religions. Your goodself is blaming the messenger, I am sorry to say.
Methinkgs your goodself have not even gone thru the articles in the site. Please spend a few hours browsin and reading. And then come back to us.
I feel you are either no aware of feigning pretense over Christian evangelistic activities goin on India which have been creating a lot of problems. Such that even tiny Himachal Pradesh led by a Congress state government just recently made laws against forcible and fraudulent conversion practices.
Your effort will be better spent by confronting hatred spread by the missionaries intent on converting all non Christians to their religion.
February 14, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Mr.CS,
Your attempt at humour is… how shall I put it?…pretty lame.
->>the fact that the kind of people that make up this loser category comprises of doctors/ scientists /engineers etc etc .You are indeed so right they must be scum to have risen to the top of society and that is why from those heights they think size of christains….
Your point being?
->>But you and I can fix them we have government of India(= Sonia christain Auntie) on our side…and by the God of small things we will.
I’m not a Congress party supporter but Sonia Gandhi is an Indian Citizen, an elected MP and chairperson of the UPA.
Please don’t be concerned about my pleasure. I’m glad people like you are responding to this post. A collection of your IPs will help my FIR. Yes, that’s you in Delhi Mr. CS, Manoj in Mumbai and all our friends in Malaysia, UK and North America.
Maybe Sonia “Aunties” people might have a few words to say when you apply for your India visas, PIO cards.
Happy hating!
February 14, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Chacko
Please ignore my earlier message where I wrote Hinduism instead of Christianity. Below is the edited one.
You have mentioned you are against “an American website spreading hate about the Christian community in India. ”
Now let us break that into two.
1. American Based: Does is really matter where a site is based in this internet age.
There are many reasons people prefer an American base.
The servers/host may be cheaper, more reliable, of course we have more IT personnel there. One very important consideration is censorship fears which is more in India and less in the United States.
So this question is a moot point.
2.Now mention spreading hatred about Christian community
This is the crux of your complaint. All else like you being an Indian blah, blah is irrelevant.
Now kindly let us know where and how does the website spread hatred about Christianity
Where is your proof. So far you have been repeatedly asserting that the site spread hatred, without an iota of proof.
I have given my proof that the site shows the hatred spread by Christian websites on Hinduism and other religions. Your goodself is blaming the messenger, I am sorry to say.
Methinkgs your goodself have not even gone thru the articles in the site. Please spend a few hours browsin and reading. And then come back to us.
I feel you are either no aware of feigning pretense over Christian evangelistic activities goin on India which have been creating a lot of problems. Such that even tiny Himachal Pradesh led by a Congress state government just recently made laws against forcible and fraudulent conversion practices.
Your effort will be better spent by confronting hatred spread by the missionaries intent on converting all non Christians to their religion.
February 14, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Hey chako
CS is right
….undercover agent almost in the same league as James Bond
I am Pune not in Mumbai u ass.
Dont try to be smart dude. Get some life.
Lolz
February 14, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Dear Venkat in Malaysia.
It doesn’t matter where you are based. As long as you are an Indian citizen and don’t attack any particular religion in India.
You are worried about censorship ‘fears’ in India? So you prefer an American host? Hmm.. that’s pretty ironic.
->>All else like you being an Indian blah, blah is irrelevant.
You guys really don’t get it do you? Being an Indian citizen is my number one identity. It’s not blah-blah Venkat.
->>What is your proof?
You will soon find out. My lawyers are putting together the required documents. Why spoil all the fun in advance? We are going to have so much fun!
->>Your effort will be better spent by confronting hatred spread by the missionaries intent on converting all non Christians to their religion.
Have you considered why there are so many people converting to Buddhism? Why haven’t you launched a site called Buddhistaggression? What will that get you? Where is it going to stop?
February 14, 2007 at 5:30 pm
Manoj, thank you once again.
February 14, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Chacko 007
Oh you must be high profile ass, arent u?
You must be having fleet of security guards, Bullet proof cars, ambulances, LAWYERS, techno savvy computer engineers…..
Lolz
February 14, 2007 at 5:35 pm
…and loads of bare naked women
February 14, 2007 at 5:42 pm
Guys, please keep the discussion to the subject and avoid making personal remarks – and that is applicable to the author as well.
Comments will be disabled if this is going to end up an an immature shouting match.
February 14, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Chacko
So far you have not proved the hatred part. You have mentioned about being Indian, something about your uncle
about Arizona, about all kinds of stuff not related to your to your central assertion.
I will be very pleased if you bring a lawsuit since it will
give a lot of publicity to the website and deceptive missionary practises. Do keep us updated.
February 14, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Yeah Chocko The 007
Waiting for your invitation……….
February 14, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Dear Chacko,
Are you troubled that the natives of India (read Hindus) are at last becoming conscious of the wrongdoings against them? If so, dear Chacko, naive are you to have not anticipated it. Life is a cycle. and you shall get what you throw at others. You sowed the seeds of hatred since independece (from even before) and now are reaping the fruits. If you will not learn now, when else will you?
Any country has to live by its rules, dear sir. Rules of our country are about tolerance – yes, but it should be two sided. When the meek is angry – the world cannot stand it. Right now hindus are meek. You (the church included) do not want us (0.8 Billion hindus) angry, especially in our own country.
Om. Peace. Peace. Peace.
reg,
k
February 14, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Dear Chaco,
You are saying you are indian first. Any Indian’s first act in case of criticism is introspection… have you done it. Have you tried to verify whatever is mentioned in the web site you wanted to ban. Let me put you the own example of mine how the christians behaved in my own village… Once they gain the critical mass(of course all of them were almost lured into christianity… If you want I can provide you the details of my own friends how they got into christianity) they resisted the traditional vinayaka chavithi celebrations thru that street. At the same time there was a converted christian family in my neighbourhood who was putting the ‘Keertans on Jesus Christ’ every morniing. I am telling this for you to understand who is hating who… Few families in one area could stop a tradition and one family in another area could freely follow what they like even it disturbs the majority.
Uncoverinng the truth doesn’t come under the hatred… You always had a choice of uncovering any false messages in the mentioned website… but you have taken the route of force… Anyway as our ideal is ‘Truth only Triumphs’ .. Satyameva Jayate
And the thing I most wondered are your comments on our patriotic fighters for freedom… that makes you less of an Indian.. You are talking one side for the country and other side making degradable comments on our freedom fighters (Madan Lal Dhingra etc)
February 15, 2007 at 12:04 am
Dear chacko,
I have seen the website. always truth wins. ‘satyameva jayate’. So, why bother about these things. I do not think one should waste energy in checking who runs what website and what response we should give. Jesus asked us to give love to people. Gandhiji also told the same. We rather go do some better business, serve the needy. Nothing will drown, if someone writes some thing in a website. If it is true people will be careful about missionaries. Missionaries have to be ashamed, if they are doing that. Else, they laugh at these website owners. However, now a days, even I am reading some mews about missionaries giving money to people who get converted. I feel, that is wrong, in any case. One should get converted to other faith, if they understand the same. They should not be converted for money or some other benefits. That is wrong. Not sure if Jesus had asked us to do this. I believe that there is only one God. All ways lead to same destiny. If I believe in Jesus, I can continue to do so. If some one else believes in Rama/Krishna, they can do so. Religion is personal. One need not publicize it through a missionary. My servant was telling that she started going to church and they asked her to remove the photos of hindu gods at her house and so on…Why should one say that. i strongly feel that it is wrong. These things create tension in the society. What is the problem, if everyone continue in their religion. That way, hindus are beetter. they are not asking muslims and christians to convert to Hinduism. even though they are majority here in india. Actually, christianity is getting bad name because of these missionaries, i feel. Share your opinion about it.
February 15, 2007 at 12:42 am
Christianity is not a theory or speculation, but a life; not a philosophy of life, but a life and a living process. The moral and religious system which Jesus Christ transmitted to us is the best the world has ever seen, or can see. I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. Christianity simply does not make sense until you have faced the sort of facts I have been describing. Christianity tells people to repent and promises them forgiveness. It therefore has nothing (as far as I know) to say to people who do not know they have done anything to repent of and who do not feel that they need forgiveness. And finally … I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag and to the Savior, for whose Kingdom it stands, one Savior, crucified, risen, and coming again, with life and liberty for all who believe.
February 15, 2007 at 5:12 am
Lisa, let us not get sidetracked here. I am keen to find out about the hatred that Christian Aggression purpotedly thrives on.
With respect to your exposition on your religion, Hey, Lisa — let us be straightforward here. What you are trying to say is that Christianity is the only one and true religion and Jesus is the god, all the rest of beliefs including Hinduism are wrongs and our Gods are demons and devils.
That leaves no space for tolerance, and pluralism for other beliefs from a Christian viewpoint.
So who spreads hatred messages about other religions then. I rest my case.
February 15, 2007 at 6:25 am
Chaco,
Reading hate material online does raise the hatred levels, but not to the extent that we get incited to hit/hurt someone. Eventually those levels reduce and we are back to business giving the hatred material its due place as yet another post.
The people who are bent on creating the divide or someone else. They do it whether there is hatred ,aterial online or not. We should be tackling the foot soldiers not the online pumpers. It is easy to find the foot soldiers. The government knows the wherabouts of these people and yet it shows ignorance.
We all know the Modi government has turned a blind eye to gujarath carnage.
We all know, it was BJP/RSS/VHP combine which brought down babri masjid. We all know that it was local congress unit in Delhi which started anti-sikh riots in 1984.
We all know, it is Pakistan which is sustaining the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
We all know, it is America which is creating troubles around the world.
But, are we able to handle these people and punish them?
Leaving all these direct pointers, going after online punkers is not going to fetch anything for us.
They write, write & write and one day disappear. Because, they don’t make any difference in this world.
February 15, 2007 at 6:32 am
I am proud to be a Hindu and Hindusim is not just ‘a philosophy of life’ but a religion.
But I will never ever try to persuade anyone to become a Hindu. And I will never imply that another religion is just a ‘philosphy’ or whatever. All religions are religions. If I believe that Hinduism is the best way to reach God, it does not mean that I do not respect another’s right to reach God in another way.
February 15, 2007 at 7:04 am
Nita
Your comments are good. Hindus could not care less what the other person believes or not believes. That is why we are the most pluralistic and tolerant countries in the world.
However tolerance also has its limits. We cannot tolerant the intolerant. Otherwise the intolerant will take over. The saying goes
Dharmo Rakshati Rakshitah meaning Dharma protects only if you protect dharma.
So exposing the hatred of christian websites as christian aggression is doing is dharma and not hatred.
See below — a long and absorbing article on Nagaland which is the only Christian majority state and they are fighting for A christian country — no democracy, no secularism. Go figure who is spreading hate.
Daily Herald : Passage from IndiaA. The slogan, Nagalim for Christ, arose out of the conviction of the Nagas, … “Nagalim for Christ” is the manifestation that Nagas can never part with …
http://www.dailyherald.com/special/passagefromindia/nagaland_qa.asp –
Naga: Message to the Naga People on Nagalim Republic DayGOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF NAGALIM … That the Naga Nation shall be ‘a People’s Republic’ and march on under the banner, ‘Nagalim for Christ’. …
http://www.unpo.org/article.php?id=4086
February 15, 2007 at 10:51 am
@Nita – Just to make you aware there is no religion as such _Hindu_. The religion we (so called Hindus) follow is _SNANATAN DHARMA_. Hindu world got associated with us after Indus Valley Civilization. Don’t know the exact date, but people on the other side of Sindhu River use to call us Sindhu (we on other side of sindhu river) and when they pronounced it sounded Hindu to others. If i remember it was after Alexander the Great, but if you want i can tell you the dates after referring the books.
This is just an enlightenment on this so called Hindu and Hinduism. Its all rubbish, Only thing is Santana Daharam – which is a way of life to be practiced. 🙂
@Venkat – I’m not sure what you are trying to say Here. What is yr point in response to chackos post
And to rest of the readers, please do not indulge in personal comments and lets discuss this in a matured way and come to a conclusion which
can be passed onto others and help them in making their opinion on this issue
February 15, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Vishal
You are right,
But I think no religion is wrong. And all teaches the way of living. Some faiths and beliefs might differ.
You may call Jesus, Yeshu, Isa is the same.
Allah, Khuda is same.
Sanatan Dharma, Hindu Dharma is same.
And about Hindu / Sanatan Dharma:
Why Hindus are different?
Because every religion on earth were started by Prophets, their commands became final words for that religion.
Hindus never had prophets. No god created religion. Our gods were follower of our religion.
Our religion always been accepted by others, without any force.
February 15, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Vashist Vishal
1. I am still waiting for Chacko to show me hatred in the christianaggression.org site
2. Manoj : You say
******** But I thin no religion is wrong. And all teaches the way of living. Some faiths and beliefs might differ.
You may call Jesus, Yeshu, Isa is the same.
Allah, Khuda is same. ************
Show me where does it say in Quran or in Bible that Jesus, Khuda, Allah are same. What you are saying is from the vedas which proclaim … truth is one, sages call it different names. So we Hindus or Sanathana Dharmas are able to accept Gods with all types of names and forms and all religions as well.
Where are the verses in the bible and quran to support your claim, Manoj?
In Christianity, Jesus is the only true God, all our Hindu gods are false. And Muslims believe — Islam is the only true religion and all is the only true prophet.
Please get your facts correct. And do not mislead people. Hindus are kafirs and infidels according to these religions. They do not accept our religion or gods.
Christian description of Hindu gods
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=KANCHAN7.txt&writer=KANCHAN&validit=yes
Treatment Of Kafirs In Islam
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/kafir.html
February 15, 2007 at 3:41 pm
After actually visiting the site, I can’t imagine what sort of lawyer would dare to touch ChristianAggression.org with a legal barge pole, let alone a full-on lawsuit. Methinks you bluff, Chacko.
As for the name, it pretty much speaks for itself: Christian Aggression. Which is exactly what the site is about … documenting information on Christian religious aggression. If you can point out where it engages in actually promoting violence against Christians, maybe I would look at it differently.
By the way, nice choice of words: “involved in a CRUSADE to save India from the Christians”
February 15, 2007 at 4:05 pm
India is now 6% Christian.due to aggressive conversion
The 2005 edition of the World Christian Database says that India is now 6% Christian. The government of India last conducted a census on the Indian population in 2001 said that Hindus were 81.4% of the population followed by Muslims at 12.4% and Christians at 2.3%. However, the more recent data from the World Christian Database states that Hindus are now 74% of the population and Christians are 6% of the population. The recent data suggests that the rampant and aggressive conversion by Christian missionaries is much more widespread than previously acknowledged. Religious breakdown in India according the World Christian Database:
Hindu: 74%
Muslim: 12%
Christian: 6%
Sikh: 2%
All other: 5%
Not religious: 1%
http://www.worldchristiandatabase.org/
February 15, 2007 at 4:45 pm
@ Venkat
>>You may call Jesus, Yeshu, Isa is the same.
Allah, Khuda is same.
Sanatan Dharma, Hindu Dharma is same.
* My comparison only between names
Name of Jesus: isa, yeshu etc
Name of allah: Khuda, parvardigar etc
Name of Hindu religion: Sanatan Dharma
Actually Vishal had some objection with name Hindu. I wanted to explain him Whats in name?
In India you can find Christians having Hindu names. In Indonasia 90% Muslims having Hindu names like Vishnu, Rama, Laxmi etc.
Even Christians in my town (got converted for money) still praying lord Ganesha at their home. Muslim women refused to abandon Mangalsutra.
And Friends Vatican funding missionaries in India:
http://www.missionindia.org/
Where is my friend??????
Must be busy with bare…..
February 15, 2007 at 4:47 pm
n.Krishna,
We love to hear your views – please try to make it short and sweet like the one above. Not copy paste tons of text from other websites – 7 of your exceptionally long comments has been marked as spam.
February 15, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Now that the truth about the devious, cruel and often barbaric deeds of the missionaries are exposed, Chacko and his/her lot, who no doubt profit enormously from selling Indian souls to the highest christian bidder, is livid with anger at the exposure. Many who have been mercilessly exploited by the christian missionaries because they were poor have always known about their two-faced, deviousness. But it is only with the advent of the internet that experiences can be told to wider audiences. So, before chacko condemns the web for their articles exposing christianity in India, maybe his/her approach should be to question the missionaries and christian fanatics in India on why they behave badly and exploit the masses all in the pretense of ‘social work?’
Further, whether or not the web creators are based in the US is immaterial. The acts of these devious missionaries are universal. The truth therefore needs to be exposed! I fuly support the christianaggression website.
February 15, 2007 at 4:52 pm
@ Chacko the 007
EXTRACTS FROM http://www.missionindia.org
{Why India?
As Christians, we feel compelled to act…
Until the last generation, India was a forgotten nation on the far side of the world. Today it has leaped into the foreground as one of the most important players in world events.
India will soon surpass China as the world’s most populous nation. One of every six people on earth lives in India.
A nuclear standoff makes the border between India and Pakistan one of the most dangerous places in today’s world.
Poverty in India’s slums and rural villages is among the worst in the world. As Christians, we cannot ignore these needs.
India contains one fourth (412 million) of the 1.6 billion people on earth who never heard the Gospel.}
Wake up dude, be a true Indian, sue your cousins.
February 15, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Manoj, The website you mentioned has nothing to do with the Vatican or any Indian Church. As its website says, “Mission India is a U.S. registered, tax-exempt 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.”
February 15, 2007 at 5:02 pm
yeah but the funding comes from vatican. Or though not from vatican, it comes from US. It means, foreign people interfering in our matters. We(Indians) are not resisting them. Why we (indians) should resist NRI?
February 15, 2007 at 5:05 pm
I would like to make a point here. There is no denying that religious Christians and Muslims consider it one of their duties to bring non-believers to their religion.
So if some Hindus agree to convert their religion just by seeing money or other benefits – they are as guilty of having a petty mind as the people who offer it. I dont see why Hinduism as a religion should be proud of having them back just for the sake of numbers.
Any ideology which is true will have its set of followers no matter what propaganda happens. Because unlike the believers, an ideology cannot be killed.
February 15, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Woke
Its our duty to bring misleaded people on right track. These people are part of us.
I agree they remained in dark because of some pseudo-fundamentalists in Hindu. Now Hindus are getting back to ancient Vediac culture. We need thse people to be with us.
February 15, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Guys and Gals
I am sorry to say so far Chacko has not come up with shred of evidence that the website preaches hatred. It exposes hatred instead.
I hope Chacko like a true ‘Indian’ confronts his overenthusiastic preacher and threaten to sue them. They are the main cause of friction between Hindus and Christians and unfortunately normal Christians are caught in the tangle.
In Fabric is unique .. we are most the most diverse and pluralistic country, many shortcomings notwithstanding.
Let us enjoy this pluralism and secularism and try to to make a Christian nagaland or Muslim Kashmir our of the rest of the country.
February 15, 2007 at 5:27 pm
sorry. I forgot to add in the “not”
The last sentence should read
Let us enjoy this pluralism and secularism and try “not” to to make a Christian nagaland or Muslim Kashmir our of the rest of the country.
February 15, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Manoj,
If you think they are misled, you should be helping to spread the values of Hinduism – not pointing out what is wrong with other religions. By doing so, you are only aping the people you are fighting against.
February 15, 2007 at 6:36 pm
only foolish and self centered groups/ religions indulge in trying to interfere with religious beliefs of others.no one or no religion can claim patent on god or truth.
‘Sarva deva namaskaraha kesavam (or god by any other name ) prathigatchathi.all prayers addressed to gods by different names reach the ONE and the SAME GOD. to learn this truth all heads of all religious beliefs should visit india or at least try to read good religious books from india or from westerners who have studied vedanta.i was onced amused to hear from a protestant or pentecostal preacher that he had converted a catholic praying in the velankanni chuch in besant nagar chennai to his brand of christianity. possibly one day he will try to convert the pope too!
February 15, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Venkat, Let’s wait a few more days and find out what happens and who is bluffing. How US authorities would react, how my FIR is taken up and what the US hosting company will do.
And Venkat don’t forget Lakshadeep Islands, they are 100% Muslims. And Sikkim, they are Buddist. And Kerala, more than 50% non-Hindus.
What does any of this got to do with my post?
Manoj,
->>Or though not from vatican, it comes from US. It means, foreign people interfering in our matters. We(Indians) are not resisting them. Why we (indians) should resist NRI?
The Vatican and the US are not the same. Christianagression.org is an American website. If you hadn’t noticed, this whole post was about THAT very point. Nothing else. Nobody is resiting NRI, I’m an NRI too. But if you give up your Indian passport, you are no longer a NRI.
And finally Mr S D’souza in Singapore. Unlike the US, Singapore has extreme measures against hate speech.
February 15, 2007 at 8:01 pm
chacko,
whats with Singapore and D’souza?
He has a valid point – in that the site is only a compilation of articles and do not seem explicitly incite any hatred.
February 15, 2007 at 8:41 pm
@ Woke
You are right.
I am not pointing any other religion!
Neither m associated with christian aggression.
I am here just because I havent found any wrong thing on that website.
@ Chacko
I just wanted to show u Indian Missionaries getting fueled by non Indians. If you cant sue them, dont try to mess with Hindus in other countries.
Again @ Chacko the 007
Dont try to prove your computer knowledge, nobody is here to know who is who or who is where?
You cant detect anyone, even your knowledge(?) cant work here. I m from Pune not from Mumbai.
Waiting for your invitation.
February 15, 2007 at 9:21 pm
i think all those who see the world around them with open eyes can clearly make out how hindus are being converted. i dont find anything wrong if other hindus are worried about it. its natural, as natural as every one goes to toilet every morning. every race, community is and should be careful about its own existance. countries become stronger like that, look at israel. what if jews had same way of thinking as majority of hindus are having. they would have never got reunited.
my dear hindus, there is nothing wrong if you are worrried about conversions, its not a sin to protest against it, not a crime if you try to stop it.
but its definitely a crime if you support it.
in my own department there is a tecnician who tries to preach patients about christianity, he himself is a converted christian….
my dear secularists, dont be hypocratic, dont be so proud of your big penis, one day it will also get converted.
February 15, 2007 at 11:42 pm
hey Chakke Chacko, its high time u n ur likes STFU. 😀
February 16, 2007 at 5:47 am
Chaccko
True Lakshadweep Islands, Kerala etc have high percentage of minorities. But they are not located in a conducive area such as in the borders. Eg in the North East states the Church virtually rules and actives encourages terrorism.
Christian Conversions and Terrorism in North-East India …Most of the terrorist organizations in the entire region follow this pattern. The Church in the North-East is also known to be associated with smuggling …
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?id=1141970933&type=articles
Chacko, this subject needs as much of publicity as possible. So I look forward to your suit. Your help is appreciated.
February 16, 2007 at 9:00 am
Chacko,
Where is your place in kerala?I think you have no guts to reveal your address.
February 16, 2007 at 10:24 am
Dear Christians,
I swear when I was doing college back in ’92, one converted christian was claiming his penis size became 2 inches longer after he became christian and he was trying to convert everyone by promising to make it longer. Yes, I am 100% truthful, it happened. I answered him : ‘to make it longer, it is enough for me to look sexy photo. I don’t need christ’. I think, irrespective of your gender, christians will always think about penis which is 2.5% of body like Christians in India.
At one point of time the same 2.5% was ruling entire India. Even after independence of India in 1955, christians killed Hindu’s in Goa ( read Goa’s history).
thanks for your time,
Jay
February 16, 2007 at 10:41 am
@ Jay
Jay from Planet moon
My lawyer is making FIR, My software engineers will spot you very soon, My cops will catch you
Be prepared I will sue you.
Lolz
February 16, 2007 at 10:52 am
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Dear christians,
Please read the above links provided by our friends. After all you all belong to those
February 16, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Dont worry Jay,
I will sue them all. I am true indian thogh I dont know Madanlal Dhingra, Though I cant think beyond bollywood movies, I am indian.
I will sue you Jay.
Lolz
February 16, 2007 at 2:24 pm
@ dr.n.k.s.aravind
You are right sir, I have seen these Christians trying various ways to convert Hindus. Need for doing this is money and power. All converted people themselves feel shy that some fools have converted them. They feel shy that they have been fooled by using some tricks, and to hide that they are trying to make as many persons fools as they can.
Instead of working to correct the mis beliefs and superstitions they ran away. And now after being a Christian they pretend to do this holy work under the name of conversion.
I would like to tell these converted brothers that our doors are still open for you. You can come back and be a Hindu again.
You can get benefited by yoga and ayurveda.
Even if you don’t want to be a Hindu again,
you can use these sciences.
February 16, 2007 at 2:44 pm
If go back to history you will easily know that Christians have been using lot of money power to increase their numbers.
Take example of East Timor,first Priests came there and preached peace.They increased in number and started terrorism against the govt.Once sucessful they divided and formed a new nation.Exactly this is what they plan in North East India.
In the name of God they are just spreading Christian hegemony in world.
February 16, 2007 at 3:10 pm
@ Prasad
You are right. Even in Pune I saw several Brahmins converted by Portuguese are still practicing Hindusism, they worship Sun daily.
They are vegetarian. But they call themselves a christian. Just because they hated Hinduism of medieval age (which was cursed with full of impurities). They are Practicing Hinduism, have access to temples but having a tag of Christianity.
Strange!
February 16, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Look at people that were targetted and converted — by Christian missionaries — Native Americans, Hawaiians, Aborigines of Australia, Maoris of New Zealand — they culture got destroyed, they were decimated, impoversished and enslaved.
Why missionaries do not send money to Christian countries in Africa, South America, Filippines — they all are reeking in poverty.
Hindus have to be very careful …otherwise one day we will end up like these dispossesed, decimated natives.
Check this out – the love of Christian missionaries.
Hindu Holocaust-Goan Inquisition
Historian Alfredo DeMello describes the performers of Goan inquisition as … The Goan inquisition is regarded by all contemporary portrayals as the most …
http://www.geocities.com/hindoo_humanist/goa1.html
February 16, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Look at this:
Weapons & Wine: A Case Of Tahiti
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/deception.html
In 1795 the London Missionary Society was formed, its immediate attention focused upon the Pacific; two years later a convict ship bound for Australia put the first missionaries ashore on Tahiti. It was four years before any of them learned enough of the local language to be able to preach a sermon to a puzzled though sympathetic audience.
The Tahitians built houses for them, fed them, and provided them with servants galore, but after seven years not a single convert to Christianity had been gained. The missionaries opted for a more brutal tactic and gained the upper hand by helping to reduce the local chief called Pomare to an alcoholic and then offered him backing in a war against other islands chiefs by supplying firearms (the enemy having only wooden clubs to defend themselves).
But Pomare would be backed in a war against the other island chiefs on the understanding that:
his victory would be followed by enforced conversion. Since Pomare was supplied with firearms to be used against its opponents’ clubs, victory was certain. ‘The whole nation’, Orsmond wrote, ‘was converted in a day.’ [18]
With their power base firmly established in Tahiti, the missionaries moved swiftly to the outer islands. The methods they employed were as before. A local chieftain would be baptised, crowned king, introduced to large quantities of alcohol and left to the work of converting his own people. Chieftains who put up any form of opposition were quickly shown the might of the missionary forces.
Where no resistance was found, a native teacher supported by a half dozen missionary police would take over an island within a week. [19] What a way to love your neighbour!
February 16, 2007 at 3:34 pm
Venkat From Mauritius
wait
I will sue you
In fact I started blogging to sue all people.
You all are wrong.
I am the great soul.
I will sue you
February 16, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Vishal,
Let me put my thoughts here.
You said Hinduism is not a religion and “Only thing is Santana Daharam – which is a way of life to be practiced”. But I think its not true although many people try to prove the same. It’s true that it doesn’t have a centered body like Christians have, but it doesn’t mean it is not a religion. Religion is a way of life for many, so Hinduism is a religion. If Hinduism is not a religion, then we will have to say Islam is also not a religion and its just a way of life because they also do not have a centered religious body like Vatican for Catholics.
Hinduism, Christianity and Islam are all religions and at the same time a “way-of-life” and all of them preaches or follows their own way of life.
As for Hinduism in the present days, it does have a governing religious body and the only difference is its not a centered one, but multiple bodies based on castes. Paandi Samooham (for Tamil Brahmins), SNDP (for Eezhavas), Pulaya Maha Sabha (for Pulaya caste), NSS (for Nairs), Ezhuthachan Samaajam (for Ezhuthachans) and many many more as such. They work almost the same way as the Christian church. Theirs is a close-knit community (although it is different, based on the caste system) like Christian churches like RC.
So I do not find much meaning in the debate about “organized religion” and such crap.
I do agree there are conversions that are forceful based on the monetary benefits. But at the same time, there are many who have converted without any of these benefits and that is primarily because of the caste based differences they had to undergo in Hindu religion. Those of people who have seen only the Christian conversions shall take a look at the mass Buddhist conversions from Hinduism. What is the sole reason of those mass conversions? Caste based atrocities. During the birth anniversary of Ambedkar, there were mass conversions organized (every year its happening), and they do not do it for caste based atrocities. But since it is about the caste, most of the fundamentalist Hindus try not to speak a word about that.
Also it is a common mis-conception that ALL Christians try to convert people of other faith. It is not true. Atleast not the case with people whom I have seen here in Kerala.
I repeat what I said in a previous comment here, if a religion (or way of living as you put it) could survive more than 1000s of years, it will still survive if it has anything good in it. Why this insecurity feeling?
Fundamentalists, be it in any religion, try to take an advantage over its members. What we forget during this “getting-uglier-discussion” is just that.
February 16, 2007 at 4:59 pm
One correction –
Read this,
During the birth anniversary of Ambedkar, there were mass conversions organized (every year its happening), and they do not do it for caste based atrocities.
as this:
During the birth anniversary of Ambedkar, there were mass conversions organized (every year its happening), and they do it because of caste based atrocities.
February 16, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Mass based conversions have no meaning be it to christianity or Buddhism. For example many converted to Buddhism due to Ambedkar. Had he converted to Islam/Christianity — his followers would have done the same.
Conversion is meaningful only if you have studied a faith for many years, explored it and then convert. This is how many westerners have taken to Buddhism in the west.
But converting due to anger, monetary inducements, coercion etc has no meaning. A person who converts to Buddhism one day .. he can easily convert to another religion – which offers more ‘fringe benefits’
All these just make a mockery of religion and god.
February 16, 2007 at 6:06 pm
Everyone has freedom of expression. It is silly to ban this organization. As a Hindu, I support their views, and many American colleagues, who are no more Christians, feel the same way. Christians in India are out to destroy Hinduism. Example is YSR in Andhra- While temples are under govt. control in AP, so temple lands and money can be looted, the Mosques and Churches are left autonomous. Christians are aggressively trying to infiltrate into Tirupathi to build Churches. Can the Vatican allow us Hindus to build temples inside? Of course not. Can Mecca even allow non-Muslims in? Of course not. In India, Hindus are labeled as terrorists, while the true terrorists are made heros.
Try to ban CAIR or someother anti-USA organization- that is worthwhile. Meanwhile, I think the ‘Christianagression.org’ is well adviced toi remove their disclaimer on their website. Instead, I recommend that the organization insert ‘Christ never existed’ (read Ken Humphries’ book). This stupid cult is setting science education backwards in USA (especially in the Kansas!).
February 16, 2007 at 6:37 pm
Ofcourse Jo, Hinduism is a religion. The reason I did not respond to Vishal’s comment was that it is so obvious that Hinduism is a religion that there was no need for me to respond.
Talking of casteism, every religion has its bad aspect. As Jo pointed out the caste system is the bad aspect of Hinduism. However we are doing everything in this country to remove this. It will take time for the society to change…but it will eventually. The changes are evident in urban areas now. Every right thinking Hindu wants to get rid of it. The main thing is acknowledge whats wrong and fix it. In fact the wonderful thing about Hinduism is its ability to accept criticism. Tolerance and acceptance of other view are the virtues of this great religion, and for me these qualities show an exalted state of mind, something beyond humanness. Something Godly.
February 16, 2007 at 6:53 pm
>> Venkat: You are right Venkat. Mass conversions is mostly based on the Dalit activism and caste based issues.
I totally agree with your other thoughts on conversion as well. Rightly said.
February 16, 2007 at 7:04 pm
>> Nita: The Caste system is not only the problem of Hinduism, but all Indians. Perhaps it is the Indian mindset (obviously formed through the ancient Hindu texts) to see the rich and colored in high esteem and see the rest in the poor light. Eventhough there were social reformers like Sri Narayana Guru in Kerala and Swami Vivekandan (It is a famous story that Swamiji called Kerala as a lunatic asylum when he saw the caste based atrocities in the old days) things haven’t changed much.
Christians are also not any different. All Catholics in Kerala think theier forefathers were Brahmins and proud to put it like that and mention their family names etc. They see Latin Catholics as second class since they believe Latin Catholics are converted fishermen.
I don’t think this Indian mindset has changed. A highly educated youngster once on top of a heating discussion explicitly wrote in his blog that the lower caste cannot ever challenge the Brahmin intelligence. See, it came from a young, educated and urban iyengar boy. I believe the urban people are more conservative than the rural peopel when it comes to caste based differences but they try not to show it publically. Education made people hide their real face and but the mindset remains the same.
Also we have to read this along with people treating those who do the “low-class” (according to the society standards) jobs. We see them as second class or third class. We have a thing or two to learn from the western countries like USA about how to respect people irrespective of their educational and financial background. We treat poor as second or third class citizens and do not value their dignity.
I can tell this with utmost honesty because I know it from my own experiences. I had worked as an office boy, workshop boy, bakery sales man and I worked for four years as a Goldsmith. No, it was not part of a hobby or earn-while-learn thing, but because of the poor financial condition of my family. I have experienced how people treated me when I said I was a Goldsmith. IT has changed my whole life and having a blue collar job in an MNC earns me a lot of respect. People who ignored me in the past days are now coming to me for advise on what profession should their sons/daughters should opt after their graduation. I can only smile seeing the eagerness on their faces.
I will stop now, I got too excited. 🙂
Unfortunately we are accusing each other on the basis of religion without changing this mindset of ourselves.
February 16, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Venkat,
I just read your comment again and if you meant that mass conversions have nothing to do with caste based atrocities, I am not supporting that. Dalits are converting to other religions because they are denied justice in Hinduism and fundamentalist Hindus are venting their anger on them. The latest example is Khairlanji when an entire village raped an educated young girl and brutally murdered her and her family.
But you have a point there that there are conversions to Buddhism happening because of Ambedkar and he believed that Hinduism is not going to help Dalits.
February 16, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Hullo, I never said that the caste system was the only problem of Hinduism! But there have been reformers like raja ram mohan roy who have tried to set things right. He was ancient, but even now we have people doing it. There are many many problems in Hinduism my friend, and there are problems in ALL organised religions. I think organised religion itself has become a problem.
As to the discrimination you are talking about, there is discrimination of some kind everywhere, against women, against races, against coloured people, against people of a certain caste, a certain religion, a certain class, against old people (jobs-wise), against the disabled (in India), and the list goes on. I feel the women thing the most because I have experienced it the most. The discrimination one feels most keenly is one that is personally experienced. Every individual finds his own way of dealing with it. I personally avoid people who are sexist. And then when I saw that blog post of this guy Vulturo (I went there from your blog) I was livid! Mad! But then I calmed down. I have made it a point to avoid people like that in my personal life, so why was I bothered about a man who I had never met, never will meet who talked of women as if they were sex objects? This kind of sexism is more rampant with people who live in a certain part of the country, but that doesn’t mean that my husband and me don’t have friends from that part of the country. Generalisations are dangerous and I feel tempted to make them, but finally we are all individuals and each individual is different.
February 16, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Very well said Nita. I second you on that note.
February 17, 2007 at 1:15 am
>>I believe the urban people are more conservative than the rural peopel when it comes to caste based differences but they try not to show it publically. Education made people hide their real face and but the mindset remains the same.
Well said Jo ! The casteist thinking is there in the mind but is not paraded publicly. We can see a resurgence of caste based names which had reduced in the 60s-80s. Though this symbolic thing cannot be taken to prove that we are getting more casteist, it does provide an indication.
>>We treat poor as second or third class citizens and do not value their dignity.
Again, this is rightly said. We treat others based on what they do and what position in the society they hold. If not that, then based on their caste. For ex a poor brahmin will get a better treatment than a poor dalit, though both are equally poor. One of the first things we do when a person is introduced to us is to compare his stature and ours to see how we should behave with them.
>>We have a thing or two to learn from the western countries like USA about how to respect people irrespective of their educational and financial background.
I agree and disagree. Because other countries are not the only source. We can always look to some great personalities of India like Gandhi and Vivekananda. Even otherwise there are numerous Hindu scriptures that repeat in different ways that all the human beings are the same, in fact all the living things are the same. The spark of divinity is there in each one of them (just as it is in me), though they may not know it themselves. So i should look at all living things with compassion (howsoever bad they treat me). Thats in fact one of the core principles of Hinduism along with other principles like dharma and karma. Its just that we are never taught these principles (which form the core) but learn all about other useless thoughts like castes etc (retrofitted to modern times wherein they might have actually made sense when they were originally founded). I strongly feel that proper education of Hindu religion would make the society a better place. For ex my parents never taught me as to what Hinduism actually means, what dharma was and what karma was. All i was taught was to pray before god and sing hymns, the entire meaning of which i did not understand. I had to learn them by myself.
February 17, 2007 at 2:27 am
why are you people talking so much about caste and all this nonsense. caste discrimination has been outlawed long time ago.The people who are interested in
caste is christian missionaries, and UPA govt so they can divide and rule over hindus.
Hindus are such idiots any way their house
is on fire they would never know it. The guy
who started this debate has not proved one
iota of evidence of hate on the site.
All he was doing to threaten like gestapo police he has connections with Rajamata sonya, when you U S citizens apply for a visa she will have words with you. Pity India , being ruled by a
person of questionable citizenship and her
son Rahul gandhi accused of gang rape.
This site is challengig it will not back out on its accusation and it has proof.
What is UPA govt do instead of]
ordering an investigation, and clear him
ban the website, leaving people to believe the website.
All they have to do investigate and prove that he was not at the place
that website says he was. No investigation
not govt, not press. what does that tell
you something fishy.
God save India. No Justice for common man.
that he was not at the place
February 17, 2007 at 5:51 am
@Jo and @Nita – Let me clarify what i was trying to say –
_Hindu_ word is not somethig which relates to todays so called Hindus. Yes we do have a philosophy – (Which is what all religions practice). And that philosophy is termed as a religion. But our philosophy’s correct name is _Sanatan_, rather than _Hindu_.
So in essence we are not Hindus we are Sanatans. Hindu as a word is wrongly associated with us. I hope this clarifies. 🙂
@Chacko – So after having such a lengthy debate whats yr thoughts and whats happening with the site in question.
February 17, 2007 at 5:52 am
Jo, I agree with you, that dalits who actually love their own traditions are treated very bad by the caste hindus and are forced to convert. What I am saying is that they should rather fight the system from within like Basavappa (12th century) narayana murthy (19th century)
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Also take note that caste is there is India, but the same is also present in other countries as well, in a worse condition. Many Western countries or Chinese etc cannot tolerate slight differences in colour. So when you compare that to indian communities — you will see we are far more tolerant and accomodating. The devil is in the degrees, I guess (we do not commit crusades, or jehads or holocaust due to ethnic/religious differences but absorb the minorities. Which is why we have the most diversity in terms of religion, language, ethnicity, culture and on and on.
Hinduism may have its weakness, but I still believe it is the greatest.
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One another note I have to thank the mutineers and the moderators of this blog for providing such a free and open atmosphere to discuss these controversial issues.
The conversion business is always covert and never if ever covered by the pseudo secular mainstream Indian media. The international press too could not care less, since it serves their interest (it’s makes the converted christian more western etc)
But death of Christian missionary Staines created an international uproar. But Hindus regularly die in religius violence in Bangladesh, Tripura, Kashmir and nobody bats an eye lid —- . So If we Hindus have to support our kind. let us not fool ourselves and think others will help out — we have to go and fight this fight ourselves, inspite of our own ‘Indian’ people like Chacko.
Chacko, even though christians are only 3% population they wield tremendous power due to
millions offunds pouring in from US churches to abet conversion programmes.
While dalits are the weakest of the lot, missionaries cast their net wide — convent schools, hospitals, maternity wards, computer schools –. It is a big business. They have to report success to their masters in the Us to get further funding.
When Hindus try to protect their religion… their is immediate cry of Christian persecution. Exactly what Chacko has done here.
Has he even once condenmed the actions the missionaires, no. Having known christians of kerala — they are very very active in this field conversion — since anywhere you go be it North East, Delhi, Gujarat etc — they have their social ‘businesses’ to further their religion.
In sum Christianaggression.org is doing a great job in exposing this nefarious activity.
I do hope, one day Hindus do not become museum pieces like the Egyptian civilization, Greek civilization –the hawaiians etc who were all trampled and obliterated by the highly aggressive, intolerant monotheistic traditions.
February 17, 2007 at 9:42 am
I thank Chacko for being brave enough to write this post and also brave enough to allow all comments. As one of the commentators pointed out, we need to discuss this issue and the more calmly we do it the better. I think this is a turning out to be a great place to discuss this burning issue. No one want to talk about it as it inflames people. But that is the very reason why we need to talk about it!
February 17, 2007 at 12:31 pm
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February 17, 2007 at 12:42 pm
Nita,
From your comment, it seems to me that either I wrote it with bad grammar or you mis-understood me.
I said “The Caste system is not only the problem of Hinduism”
and I did not mean “The Caste system is not the only problem of Hinduism”.
What I was trying to say is Caste system is a problem with all Indians regardless of Hindus or Christians. 🙂
February 17, 2007 at 2:15 pm
>> Sab:
I agree and disagree. Because other countries are not the only source. We can always look to some great personalities of India like Gandhi and Vivekananda.
Of course we have such great personalities and reformers in India, but does the common man in India practice it? A few of us perhaps. When I said we have to learn such things from western countries, I meant most of their common people do that on ground. I have never been to USA, but I heard from my friends that a hotel waiter, a cabby, a sweeper – everybody’s treated with dignity. That is something we have to learn and grow.
Even Bible says, all are sons of God. I believe proper education of any religion would make the society a better place. But unfortunately, we mostly follow the bad things in the religion and that is what the relgious leaders want. And if a proper education of such happens and helps people to attain spirituality, we will tear down the temples, churches and mosques and will send out the priests, poojaris and mullahs. But have we attained a spiritual level like that? No. Kabir sang that God does not live in Temples, Churches and Mosques. Sri Narayana Guru placed a mirror in the temples that he founded to point out the stupidness of idol worship and that human beings have that “God” inside. Fr. Vadakkan challenged the church administrators and conducted the Holy Mass in a public ground (in Thrissur, Kerala) and worked for the poor farmers. We have had many reformers over time in all religions, but that hasn’t helped the majority of the believers.
>> Vishal: Thanks for the clarification. 🙂 Yes, you are right on the origin of the word Hindu, but it has become the name of the religion over time.
>> Venkat: When I compare the other western countries and Chinese (like you mentioned) I do not see we are far more tolerant. Infact, I find it more intolerant because Hinduism discriminate people not only on the basis of color, but labour, social status etc (chaathur varnyam). Please don’t think I am bashing Hinduism here. What I mean to say is that the intolerant side of Hinduism is the discrimination on the basis of caste, and with Christianity it is the intolerance towards other religions. I think its high time that the Church try to make the existing Christians to live as true Christians (in the way Jesus preached) instead of adding just numbers and Hindus try to get rid of the Caste based differences, not just on theory and public speeches but from their mindsets as well. Every religion has its intolerant side and we have to work on to perfect that.
I and most of the Christians here are concerned about the protestant missionary activities like you mentioned. No Catholic here like K. P. Yohannaan (a protestant missionary) and the guys like him get a lot of funds from the US of A. (At the same time, lets not forget the Godmen and women like Sai Baba or Matha Amruthanadamayi who also get huge sums of foreign funds from USA. Amrutha Matt was in the first place in a list of organizations of Kerala receiving funds from abroad). Pastors add more people. Believe me, when I say we Catholics are fed up with them because they try to convert ‘us’ as well, saying Catholics have not found Jesus Christ yet and follow the demonic practices. (They are mentioning that most of the Catholics live in sync with the native culture) and the sad part is some Hindus see this syncing with my culture as a ploy to convert other Hindus. (read my comments here: http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/02/05/what-evangelism-does/#comments). Also let me know when and where you have found that ‘Christians in Kerala are very very active in the field of conversion’. I live in Thrissur where there are many Christians and Hindus (and Muslims too) live together but haven’t found any as such.
February 17, 2007 at 6:01 pm
Jo
Overall I should say most of the lay Christians are nice people.
But the problems arises from the Church for which conversions are part and parcel and their mandate (called the great commission) to convert.
Most aggressive have been recent baptists outfits from the US. They even have caused great concern amongst the traditional churches.
You can go to christian conversion and type kerala and find out more.
February 17, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Jo
Jo
The site for this haindavekeralam which focuses on kerala. Chacko should probably focus on this too.
Christian missionaries kidnapping Hindu devotees
http://www.haindavakeralam.org/PageModule.aspx?
PageID=1611
2. A lot of Kerala Christians operate kindergartens, etc all over India. Since Kerala has high percentage of Christians… it is also a defacto HQ for christian missionairies, funding etc
The below is a must read
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1112056735
Kerala Terrorist Camps of Another Kind
Posted March 28, 2005
Pradeep Nair
udayor@yahoo.co.in
Date: 17 Mar 2005
In Kerala places like Thiruvalla have innumerable agencies which pool in international church funds and send it to myriad organizations across India, from tribal movements in the nooks and corners to famous urban (secular, leftist) NGOs. The latter make the buffer as they give the legitimacy through media statements etc and the church outfits do the dirty work later.
Politically also they are powerful and can swing votes without being noticed. For example some of the Kerala organisations were behind the precipitation of tribal home land movements like Jharkand. Later the Hindu organisations cleverly took the winds out of their sails when the BJP itself demanded separate states. In the North-East they are having a free for all and could turn Nagaland in to a Christian state in no time. Men and money flew in from Kerala. It goes on unnoticed.
Almost all of these agencies are run by the Syrian Christian community of the state, Kerala also has a substantial population of Latin Catholics, converted by the Portugese earlier, and other converts. As the Portugese were the arch enemies of the British, these people did not prosper like the Syrians who were clever and converted every time a new European church came ashore. With the Portugese, Dutch, British.
They have all denominations existing in these countries and more. Just as they have Communists, Congressmen. Even BJP men, the new NDA outfit created by P C Thomas is an example.
While in the north many of them are good samaritans, thus ‘Father’ Tom Kochery, a fisheries sector crusader from Kerala, is known only as Tom Kochery in the North, the ‘Father’ is dropped. They have also penetrated the media at all places and can manipulate public opinion, it is all part of planned strategies. The leading Malayalam newspaper from the Syrian Christians, Malayala Manorama can make or unmake governments in Kerala. They toppled the Karunakaran government once with a fake story of espionage in the ISRO, got their man A. K. Antony in the chair. 60 to 70 percent of secular Malayalis read Manorama still!! It is the Kerala Bible. Now Kerala is leftist and secular under the Muslim League and Christian Kerala Congress in power.
They created the myth of ‘savarna fascism’ upper caste oppression to neutralise the Nairs and the Brahmins. Later this spread all over India. The Syrian Christians were themselves promoting untouchability as history tells, but they keep silent on that and present conversion as the tool of liberation. Even now there are social hierarchies, not seen by the people, say, does a peon eat with a Managing Director in the westernized society. But the missionary tales still run. Naïve Hindus accept it.
February 17, 2007 at 8:55 pm
It was a healthy discussion going on here which has become a rare thing.
Jo,
I agree with you that there was some discrimination in India based on Caste system. But it is totally due to total misunderstanding of the Chatur Varna (not Caste) system. According to it what we call today as engineers and Doctors etc high profile jobs too come under Shudras which was responsible for the entire production in the state. Those who deal with the trade and commerce were Vysyas. Protection of the country and participating in wars ( In general a soldier) is considered as Kshatriya. Those who were in the research and development of the side of the life are Brahmins. But over a period they became birth based rather quality/work based. So the efforts are started now to correct it. Your eduucated friend seemed to miss the broader picture which many of us. There is an immense need to correct the entire system and we definitely need to respect the dignity of labour ( I strongly suspect this character we missed in the middle ages as many of the foriegn traveelers made it a point that they couldn’t see any slaves in India till middle ages… interestingly there were no unusual comments on the way of living those days from these foriegners)
I strongly feel every system starts with a good intention and over a period looses its relevence until unless it keeps changing with the times( ofcourse definitely not the core values). Hindu dharma/ Sanatana Dharma had that in plenty and as you said it will survive the attacks.
February 17, 2007 at 9:51 pm
we will teach christians a lessons just like we did with muslims in gujarat.
February 17, 2007 at 11:39 pm
Venkat
After reading your latest comment, it seems to me that your liberal tone is fading away. 🙂
A lot of Kerala Christians operate kindergartens, etc all over India. Since Kerala has high percentage of Christians… it is also a defacto HQ for christian missionairies, funding etc
This kind of generalization is no good, Venkat. By this generalization, you are defaming some good people who does good charity work as well.
And about this guy Pradip Nair who wrote in Christian Agression:
I had agreed that some protestant churches have been receiving funds, and also made clear the recieving foreign funds does take place by Hindu Godmen and Women in large scale as well. The list published in a pro-BJP (as widley known) bi-weekly India Today Malayalam edition sometimes back. From your recent selective accusations, I think you are just being selective and am not interested in continuing the debate that way because selective accusations can only get ugly.
They created the myth of ’savarna fascism’ upper caste oppression to neutralise the Nairs and the Brahmins.
They created the “myth”? Let me tell you what my friend who belong to the Cochin Royal Family told me once. He had a group of friends including Christian and Hindus. And Hindu friends included low-caste ones as well. He used to invite them to have lunch at his house and the Christian and Hindu high-caste friends were allowed to sit with him in the dining table, but the low-caste friend was sent to the kitchen and had to eat sitting in the floor. Seeing this my friend protested by fasting for 4 days and his mother for the sole reason of she could not see his son fasting more than 4 days, allowed this low-caste boy to sit with the rest. This is just a small example and can be called a “myth” if you would like to put it that way.
My Nair friend, who does not put the Nair tail with her name, once told me how her father’s family were landlords and people from the low-caste coming to their house during the Onam days etc to present the harvested fruits etc to her grandfather and were made to stay away from entering the house. This feudal, landlord, casteist mentality did exist. (Pradeep’s email ID is udayor. Did you know that Udayor means Landlord in Malayalam?)
The Nair influence even in the Malayalam showbiz is quite evident in Kerala. If you were following Kerala showbiz, you would have heard a great actor like Thilakan accused how he was denied chance after the Nair lobby worked out on their dirty plan. This Nair group is from Trivandrum where the Nair caste is still dominant and they are very much caste valued.
I can quote some stories that my Nair friends here in Thrissur told me (interestingly some Nair friends I have in Thrissur – and I have seen it only in Thrissur – do not attach their caste tail “Nair” with their names) about how the Nair community prospered financially in the early days. Ofcourse it has a relation with Kerla Brahmin community. It can hurt some Nair friends and thus this discussion can get ugly, so I am not quoting it here.
And regarding his statement that Malayala Manorama can “make or unmake governments in Kerala”, it doesn’t even have the value of a conspiracy theory and I can’t help but laughing at it. Even the people who have subscribed to it know their anti-communist, pro-Congress stand but they read because of their good layout and design and some page3 content mostly. Ask people who read MM here. If the Christians were following the directions of Malayala Manorama, how did CPM get to rule in Kerala?
I didn’t know A. K. Antony is a Christian extremist and he supports the Syrian Catholics because the whole Christians and Muslims were against him when he openly stated against the minority appeasement sometimes back. The right-wing Hindutva people were with him then and when did they get this new finding? Reason number 2 to laugh again.
I had continued with this debate hoping you belong to the sensible group. I hope you won’t prove me wrong about that.
>> Sunil:
I strongly feel every system starts with a good intention and over a period looses its relevence until unless it keeps changing with the times
Totally agree with you.
February 17, 2007 at 11:57 pm
Here is a site that reveals “another type of aggression”.
February 18, 2007 at 12:00 am
To those of you who say caste-based atrocities is a thing of past – Go through the following links. This is mostly the news reports from 2006, so just guess how much of it happens still and every year:
Justice for Dalits still a dream
Dalit woman raped
Dalit students ‘abused’ at AIIMS
When dalits hear voices
Dalit IIM students get less moolah
Link to loads of news articles about the atrocities on Dalits
Dalit woman beaten to death for picking fallen grain
Dalit woman raped by upper caste youths
Court bans entry into Orissa temple
February 18, 2007 at 4:44 am
Xtianity is undergoing a slow death in the west! No wonder these Xtain cultists want to convert poor Hindus. They are like metastatic cells, trying to invade some part of the body, while elsewhere some of the cells are wiped out by radiation therapy. They (the Xtians) have no balls to face up to Muslims in Europe. I predict in 30 years, European Xtiaity will be DEAD! Go to Oslo (Norway) and see the curent state of Churches. I was there last year, and the place is over-run with Muslims. Enough BS from converted Xtian morons like Chacko and Jo. If they are so up with Jesus myth (yes, Jesus story is fake BS), let them go to Europe and try to revive this vile cult. Leave India alone. As for us Hindus in USA, we have every right to condemn these Xtian scum. I pay $ 40 for cable TV, and for what? Many channels are on Xtian BS-for e.g., Day Star, TBN, 700 club, etc. Most of the time, these Xtian scum make fun of Hinduism on TV. Tit for tat, time to do the honbors to Xtians. The only thing they understand is a swift kick in the butt. Perhaps their almighty son of God Jesus will strike us down anytime- wimper…wimper…
Meanwhile: the current terrorism (World War III?) is a present to all people of the world, gratis- (you guessed it) 2 filthy cults from Middle East: Chrstianity and Islam. Mr. Bush is fighting for the Christians, and Al-Qaida for the Muslims.
February 18, 2007 at 6:08 am
Jo
We cannot get into details but a lot of stuff is not reported in the mainstream media. The fact is whereever Christians increase their numbers –that is followed by impoverishement of the natives … that includes Kerala — where for many a reasons today the Kerala Hindu is the poorest of the lot and has a host of social problems — suicide, debt, poverty, unemployment.
Check this out. Mainly Christian education ministers/CMs gave a lot of licenses for Christian schools and so they have cornered the education market and Hindus are as usual at the losing end. Nothing new. Where ever Christians have prospered, natives have suffered — Native Americans, Africa, South America Natives etc
While minorities run 3340 schools in the state, the entire Hindu jatis are in possession of just 194 schools. Muslim and Christian communities manage 223 arts and science colleges whereas all Hindu jatis together manage only 42 colleges (vide ‘Matrubhumi’ daily, September 28, 2002). Out of the 433 professional colleges, only 86 are government-owned, 89 are Hindu-managed while 258 are managed by the minorities (G.K. Suresh Babu, ‘Kesari Annual, 2004).
For full article see
Why Hindus Lag Behind in Kerala
http://www.esamskriti.com/html/inside.asp?cat=704&subcat=703&cname=kerala_hindus
February 18, 2007 at 6:58 am
@Jo and @Venkat.
There is no doubt that the cate system and religion has been exploited by politicians and kings in past to rule this country. It has left lot of wounds in everyone heart.
This problem of caste system discrimination and religion based discrimination is thriving day by day as politician like V.P.Singh (who started this) Lalu, Mulayam, Mayawati , Paswaan in North are using for their own benefits.
We need to fight these guys and make people more aware of how they are dividing the country on these lines.
As one of the Gentleman suggested about that we so called Brahmins might be Shudras according to Vedic system, bot according to birth, he is right, Its important we spread this knowledge of cate based system which was followed on KARMA rather than on BIRTH.
It is vital we need to evolve this practice otherwise we will divide and one day become irrelavent.
February 18, 2007 at 10:52 am
@Jo, [ About caste-Dalits-slavery ]
India is the country that had/has the least caste-based , clan-based status and discrepancies. In Pakistan to join the national cricket team, one must convert him as muslim, just like Shahid Afridi did turn from Christianity.
There is no country in Europe/North America/South America that did not have African blacks as slaves. (Even now most have racism fuming under).
There is no country in middle east / Top of Gulf where Indians/Africans were considered as infidels and slaves. In Sudan, Sheiks use d to herd the black children s as slaves after killing their parents.
The missionaries who were fed by Aborigins/new zealanders/red Indians inturn ruthlessely killed those sons of the soil by poisoing, communicating small pox and by fire arms.
In LNG Arts College, Ponneri 601204, TamilNadu I did my Math degree between 91-94. Several times Dalit students had beaten me so severly, just since I did not help them getting girls(did not work as bimp to introduce girls). If I in turn beat them, Dalits would file a case and put me behind the bar, claiming that i called them by name of their caste. In no other country( including all christian countries) in the world, the suppressed people are given opportunities by christians like Dalits got in India.
Finally Jo, I am not saying anything against your points or Dalits. But it is totally irrelevant to bring that in this page and deviating from the topic of main interest.
I have not written in most cohesive manner, however ff you read the above two times, you will be able to understand what I want to convey.
thanks for your time,
Jayakumar Rajagopal
February 18, 2007 at 12:44 pm
>> Jayakumar:
I am a little confused with the names after reading the last paragraph in your comment. 🙂 Are you the same person who commented in the name Venkat?
I had clearly mentioned my stand on the main topic of discussion. Please refer to comment no: 8 in this page. But then the comments section got too ugly and instead of admitting all religions have its own problems and setbacks, the commentators started solely accusing Christians. (I had admitted that forceful conversions or conversions by offering monetary benefits is no good for Christianity). They are not being aware that they making themselves fools by saying at one hand that Hinduism preaches tolerance and on the other hand showing such insecurity. If you are the person who commented earlier in the name of Venkat, you had mentioned in a comment that you think Hinduism is the greatest. I respect your view and I see that might be the reason you stay in Hinduism. But when a Christian says the same thing, it is commonly regarded as intolerance. Why such double standards?
That is why I had to put the comments here. I can dig deeply on any of the issues you mentioned here and can prove that all religions have the evil amount inside, but it would be a waste of time. And perhaps I will do that once I retire from work so that I can spend more time on this regard.
I have my replies to the education related issues you raised in the comment # 127, but I rest my case here, coz this can get on and on.
I hope one day people who are accusing others being “pseudo-secularists” would start an introspection and find who the real pseudo-secularists are and who the right-wingers are. Earlier, the better.
I rest my case.
February 18, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Jo
Let me assure you Jaya Kumar Rajagopal is not me. I was never educated in TN nor have been in middle east – to have that type of knowledge.
Although reading his article — I was stuck by his clarity and — which was better than mine. You can check carefully his writing style .. that is different from mine.
We should discuss the dalit issue. Let us get a different blog for that and no divert the Christianaggression topic.
WE Hindus are open to all discussions and I will not threaten to sue anybody and take them to court.
You see Freedom of thinking — is given prime importance in Hinduism. There is no — my way is the only right way.
February 18, 2007 at 4:18 pm
Jo
Here is my response to your query:
They are not being aware that they making themselves fools by saying at one hand that Hinduism preaches tolerance and on the other hand showing such insecurity. If you are the person who commented earlier in the name of Venkat, you had mentioned in a comment that you think Hinduism is the greatest. I respect your view and I see that might be the reason you stay in Hinduism. But when a Christian says the same thing, it is commonly regarded as intolerance. Why such double standards?
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Hinduism is the greatest because it believes in a live and live philosophy. It does not seek to annihilate any other religion for its betterment. And we have a good record to prove it.
Christians believe Christianity is the best –that is just based on dogma — The bible says Jesus is the one true son of god, and Christianity is the only true religion.
Here — one has to accept these revealed statements. You cannot question the Christian dogma.
Further when they say Christianity is the best, they seek to put down and destroy the non believer. I hope you can see the ‘subtle’ difference.
Now about insecurity … Of course we hindus insecure. We should be tolerant. But not tolerant of the intolerant. The US was a very liberal country. You did not even have to show your id — to get into domestic flights at one time. But when Islamic terrorists took advantage of this liberal outlook, what did the US get — A september 11.
Since the the US has wisened up. It does not tolerate the intolerant anymore.
Similarly — yes we Hindus should always be liberal and secular and of tolerating spirit. But that does not mean should not be vigilant, always on our guard .. .there are intolerant religions out there ever ready and willing to convert and just waiting to destroy our religion. This has already happened in the north east.
So of course we are insecure in front of a extremely aggressive, violent belief system which seeks to impose its religion on us. We have all the reasons expose it and stop it in its tracks as going back to the topic –Christianaggression website is doing.
February 18, 2007 at 6:36 pm
Jo,
I just want to bring another case where so called dalits(I hate to use those words which are used to divide our country men.. but just to differentiate I am using it..) have misused the law in my very vicinity. One of my close friend has given money(from so called upper caste) to one of his friends(from so called lower caste) and just based on trust and with no interest too… Even after few years the guy who has taken the money didn’t return it back. So the first guy went to the second guy’s home and threatended him to return his money along with few more friends(common to both).. After two days the second guy went and filed a case in Police station that the first guy abused him by caste which he didn’t. I came to know this thru common friends of mine.
So there are people who misuse what has given to them in all communities. So the need of the hour is not blaming each other.. upper castes abusing the lower castes and lower castes abusing the uper castes.. bothways dont bring the equality. Equality comes thru a total change in the mindset. But unfortunately our education system(prepared on western methodology) is unable to provide a viable solution to this perinneal problem in our country.
I would appreciate everyone who participated in this debate and giving their valuable thoughts on the various issues. I am stopping here.
February 18, 2007 at 8:46 pm
🙂 Christians & Chako:
“Jesus loves you; But others think you are an ass hole”
🙂 Jo : Venkat is saying lie. I am and Venkat are same; Though he writes in orgnanized manner. It is interesting that you discovered it.
🙂 Manoj : Please don’t sue me. Since I am Venkat, sue him instead. Since you claimed Sueing like Chako did, I discovered that you and Chako are same!!
😐 Jo : I did not read the blog fully; Hence there is a lot of chance that I unnecessarily wrote what already had been discussed.
Leftists & Jo : My friends from Russia have ‘real time hands on experience’ with Leftists. I will beg them to write about it . But don’t disscuss that here.
thanks,
Jayakumar Rajagopal
February 18, 2007 at 11:39 pm
[…] of them even sought a ban on what he considered as a “hate website”.The other questioned the motives of a […]
February 19, 2007 at 12:00 am
>> Venkat: I apologize that I have mistaken your identity. I agree Christianity from its origin onwards was after power. The church administration was mostly after the political power, the inquisitions and such things in the old days. I am not denying that.
But when Christians believe that Jesus is the only son of God, prove them wrong if you think so. Remember that Christian missionaries and Buddhists could make an influence among Dalits because of the caste based atoricities in the Hindu religion itself. Also the missionary contributions in the health and education sector is in a large scale. Perhaps you will say it was aimed at the conversion. But why weren’t the rich and landlord Hindus of that time did not try to educate the Dalits? Why didn’t they establish hospitals or clinics? (Please dont tel me they were not allowed to do so, becauseI must be born as lunatic to agree with that). Instead, they were denied education and social equality. Missionary contributions to India has helped this country a lot in the early days. Only recently the Godmen and women started making their contributions in this area. If the Dalits found such Christian actions as prosperous to them and if they converted just because those reasons, what is wrong with that?
You accused the educational institutions in Kerala were mostly by Christians. Have you ever thought why? You try to claim it is because Hindus were denied of establishing educational institutions and that is not true my friend. There were only Christian churches in the early days to establish schools, colleges and hospitals. Where were Hindus of that time? I am talking about the old days and you cant accuse of the then educational ministers of that time to give permission selectively to the Christian church. Because communists and Christian church were total rivals at that time. (Did you know that Communist government even fired at Ollur church, in Thrissur dirstrict because they were totally against religion?)
Also you say Hindus are meant to attend catechism in Christian schools. Do you know that students of Amrutha Institute of Management (run by Amruthanandamayi Mutt), say “Hari Om” instead of “Hello”? Christian students are also forced to say so. I can quote two of my colleagues for this case. (One Hindu and one Christian who studied in their institute). Also do you know children of Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan had to attend such Hindi Catechism classes where they taught Ramayana and Mahabharatha? (A friend of mine who studied in BVB mentioned this when I told him it is a pity that church run schools asks their Hindu students to attend Catechism students).
I see the good side of Christianity. It is my belief in Jesus Christ and the knowledge of Bible that helps me to criticize the church administration when they mostly stand and bend with the rich. I belive in the same Jesus Christ who once sent off the businessmen from Church and criticized the (Jewish) priesthood and who broke the rules of church to feed his disciples.
I thought I would not respond any further, but since some of your remarks might mis-led some liberals, I wanted to put it here.
>> Sunil: I understand how some of the Dalits misuse their positions. I always support that Dalit movement should not be in the “revenging mode” against high-caste, but to have “equal” social status. One should not be higher or lower than the other.
And just like you said you dont like to call them “Dalits” on the basis of caste-based differences, I do not like to call my friends “Hindus”, “Muslims” and “Christians”. But unfortunately, after I came to the blogging world, I had to use such differentiations in my comments. There is a lot of intolerance in the desi blogosphere.
>> Jayakumar Rajagopal: Great thinking and generalizations. “Christians and Chacko”, “Lefitsts and Jo”. I don’t need your certificate to prove that I am not a communist, but anytime I would gladly say I am more of a leftist than a so-called rightist and fundamentalist person.
Now I can understand why my notes about my interview with a woman activist provoked you to write about your Russian friends. I care very less about what’s going on in Russia or China because I care about my country than them. Evidently you have been intolerant about my references to RSS and Matha Amruthanadamayi Mutt even before reading that interview. I had written this in one of my comments to another post: those who pretend to be secular will show their real face at one time of the heating discussion. You have shown yours through this latest comment of yours.
Somebody has mentioned about US churches shutting down. It is not because they are fed up with Christianity but they are fed up with the very idea of “Religion” – All of them. Even the ISKCON could attract only a few during the Hippy period and there are many joining the aethists league. Aethism is a way of living for most of them. How many of the Indians are into aethism? The “intolerant” Christians had not sued any of the aethist or anti-Christ rockstars like Ozzy Osbourne, Slayer, Metallica or such. Suppose a music band in India portrays a Hindu God or Goddess in the way Slayer or Ozzy have portrayed Jesus Christ, would the “tolerant Hindu” spare them? (Read it with what happened to M. F. Hussain when he questioned the Hindu concept of seeing India as a Devi through his painting). The “intolerant” Christians in the USA have not raised a heck of an issue with them, my friend. And you can’t even imagine if the same thing happened here in India.
A final “I rest my case”. 🙂
February 19, 2007 at 1:59 am
Dear Jo,
Firstly, I thought my last post was totally stroke of sense of humor (at least non-sense of humor). But this is serious humble post:
You are not able to tolerate just your name appearing near the word ‘leftist’ in my post. If that witty generalization itself is intolerable to you such that you protest by saying I am certifying, I apologize.
Thanks for advising other people here to tolerate. You cared a lot about fine arts and MFHussain. You also mentioned that you don’t care about Russia/china but your mother nation India only.
I am a fool generalizer, but could you be kind enough in spoon feeding me this :
IF INDIA IS YOUR MOTHER NATION, HOW YOU TOLERATE MF HUSSAIN RIPPING HER NUDE?
I am not tolerent enough to see ripping of my mother.
February 19, 2007 at 8:16 am
Jo
I have nothing to say about what the Christians believe about their God. To each his own.
Hindus themselves have all kinds of lengends and they are comfortable with all the contradictions within them.
My problem with Christianity is when they think Hindus are heathens and fit to be converted just like they have done to aborigines, hawaiians, and countless other native traditions.
Jo, We should have a live and let live atmosphere.
This cannot happen if you believe that you have a god given mandate to convert and destroy the other person’s culture, traditions, religions and beliefs.
About Dalits — this great article just came out in the Hindustan Times
A time to heal
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1930245,00120001.htm
February 19, 2007 at 6:58 pm
I am liberal,i dont want to reveal my name bcoz it indicates my religion.
I think all the religions in the word create a particular group,hate other group,hatred is not a base of any religion
better stopping thinking about religion itself.
February 19, 2007 at 7:35 pm
@ post 134 Jay Whoever you r
I will sue all
Lolz
Call me ass but dont call me Chacko
Chacko dont know who Madanlal Dhingra was.
February 19, 2007 at 9:20 pm
It’s what Christians do. We can’t help but to want to share the Lord’s blessings and love with everyone we meet. Actually, as a Christian, it isn’t my duty to convert anyone. That is the work of the Holy Spirit. My duty is only to inform non-believers of God and His love. My duty is to “plant the seed”. God wants everyone to come to him on his own……But if you ask and I have answers then I will give them and then you will have to decide what you wish to believe. You can’t shove a religion down anyone’s throat……but you can open their eyes to a different view. It’s like why does everyone always pick on Christians? I think people pick on us and fear us, because they fear the truth, but that truth is Jesus Christ and He came to set you free from sin, from a life of slavery to sin and to restore you back to your creator. People are always scared of the truth. Jesus came and died for us all and the work of a Christian is to spread that word. It is true that we want to help save as many as possible, but we also know that the person will have to be convinced by God. Therefore, it’s only the Christian’s job to plant the bug in the ear of those around him/her and to help guide if the person comes around and during all of that, pray for that person.
Where was this other religious groups when these so called poor people needed them? Only Christians helped them therefore, they believed and converted. Now you are complaining about that?
February 19, 2007 at 10:25 pm
My bad, not that I believe they gave them money to convert, but gave them some hope in their miserable life. How is that going to make a Christian a bad person?
February 20, 2007 at 1:41 am
Freedom at Second Home:
Migrated Hindus from India constitutes 1 million or 0.4 per cent of US population now. They built around 1,000 Hindu temples throughout the US.
My Mother India:
India accounts for 40 per cent of the world’s poor and its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world. Almost half of Indian women are still illiterate; about 40 million primary school-age children are not in school.
The level of child malnutrition in India is among the highest in the world, higher even than some countries in sub-Saharan Africa, says the report ‘Extent of Chronic Hunger and Malnutrition in India’ by the UN’s special rapporteur on the right to food (2006)
According to the 2001 census, female literacy in India is 54.16 per cent against male literacy of 75.85 per cent. Most of the working women remain outside the organised sector: A mere 2.3 per cent women are administrators and managers, and 20.5 per cent professional and technical workers. Women to men ratio was feared to reach 20:80 by the year 2020 as female feutus killing is rampant.
India has been ranked as the worst performer by Transparency International on its global Bribe Payers Index 2006.
Hindu upper caste men, who constitute just eight per cent of the total population of India, hold over 70 per cent of the key posts across newsrooms in the country. The so-called twice-born Hindu castes dominate 85 per cent key posts despite constituting just 16 per cent of the total population, while the intermediary castes a represent meagre three per cent. (CSDS study, 2006)
According to the National Human Rights Commission, as on 30th June 2004, there were 3,32,112 prisoners in Indian jails out of which 2,39,146 were under trial prisoners. That’s more than 70 per cent.
“Census counted Hindus” numbered 827 million or 80.5 %. But only 15 per cent are belonging to the three upper castes. Many of these hindutva extremists come from this rich layer who represent about only 10 per cent of the total Indian population. The caste system virtually leaves lower caste Hindus and Dalits to an oppressed minority.
1.38 billion Muslims across India are severely under-represented in government employment, including PSUs. 80 per cent of the jobs in the new economy, in sectors such as software, biotechnology, and hotel management are controlled by The upper castes.
Aggression against whom?
According to Tahir Mahmoud, an Indian Muslim journalist, “The 2.3 per cent Christians in the Indian population cater to 20 per cent of all primary education in India, 10 per cent of all the literacy and community health care, 25 per cent of all existing care of destitutes and orphans, 30 per cent of all the handicapped, lepers and AIDS patients etc”.
Are you going to sue them?
But please don’t expect a Judicial Mutiny!
According to the National Crime Records Bureau, only 31 per cent criminal trials are completed in less than a year. Some take even more than 10 years. According to its study, Crime in India 2002, nearly 220,000 cases took more than 3 years to reach court, and about 25,600 exhausted 10 years before they were completed.
India’s subordinate courts have a backlog of over 22 million cases while the 21 high courts and the Supreme Court have 3.5 million and 32,000 pending cases (2006) There were 13 judges for every million people.
Finally, is it true that the father of nation, Mahathma Gandhi was assassinated by world’s largest terrorist organization?
http://sanghparivar.blogspot.com/2006/11/rss-worlds-largest-terrorist.html
February 20, 2007 at 8:56 am
I WRITE FULLY SHOWING MY IDENTITY, WHEN & WHERE I STUDIED. I WRITE TRUTH THERE FORE I AM. MY YAHOO ID IS kargil_jayAToohay.moc.
Please mail me in above id when someone blames Hinduism.
Jo : Unhappy exit. I will not be able to improve my knowledge unless you answer my question in my post 137.
I am not able to understand your logics and conclusions and presumptions. Please help me understanding your claims:
i) If I write something like Venkat, you will claim I and he are same; and that is absolutely not generalization.
ii)you represent yourself with red flag and white star with face of Che Guevera. But I write Jo & leftits you say it is blind generalization.
iii)If I write ‘Chako & Christian’ it is generalization too and Chako is not christian.
iv) How you conclude, I wrote things because i was irritated by your reference to RSS& Mata Amritananthamayi. I did not read them.
v) If Mata Amritananthamayi’s school accustom children to say ‘Hari Om’ it is cruel and offending, but MF Hussain sexy nude photo of Bharath Mata it is ‘fine art’.
vi) You can ask ‘why intolerant Chritians not sueing Osborne’, when the topic itself is started Chako sueing Hindu website. [ I would say there is some logic, had you asked Chako ‘why Chritians not sueing Osborne?’
vii) You can bring Dalit problem, and all irrelevant into this. you can’t appreciate your Nair friend’s fasting but can blame his upper caste parents discrepancy, you can mix anthing with anything, you can bring ozzy, metallica, plastica etc, but you don’t care what happens in foriegn.
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If you consider all above things are logical, you might be having a condition that is medically called ‘Pseudo logical utopia’ which one of commom miopia. It is caused by reading too many leftist articles. Communist & Leftist use see everything with the above miopia.
Even the Mopla riot where Muslims killed 30,000 Hindus ( with Hindu children & women exceeding 15,000) was considered by Communists as ‘10,000 poor muslims killing 30 rich Hindu land lords who kept them as slaves’. Such was the miopia caused by leftist.
I PARTICIPATED IN LEFTIST ACTIVITIES BETWEEN ’99-’00, BUT LATER I UNDERSTOOD I WAS SICK AND TOOK TREATMENT. GOT SUCCESSFULLY CURED FROM THE DISEASE.
To Venkat & Hinduism supporters :
Don’t keep on answering others questions. As you answer these guys will shell you with questions. Rather ask them questions. Don’t answer if someone asks how can Drowpathi marry 5 men rather ask them how Virgin mary gave birth to Jesus.
I apologize had i hurted someone or offended someone. Pardon my English too. I studied in Tamil medium.
Jay
February 20, 2007 at 9:38 am
It may be true that most of the upper cast hold government positions. Do you know extacly why musilims are getting the government job?. Each muslim has more than 1 wife and more than 5 kids. Upper cast plan their life properly. Hindus 99% has one wife and two kids. They were able to concentrate on kids future and its life. But that is not the case with muslims. Similarly lot of chritians hold very good position in government jobs. If you want to through just words, you can do it and you don’t want to disclose it. Muslims kids are not much sent to schools, instead sent to madaras, were the education is about only community and not there welfare. This is not only in india but other parts of the world. India is small cake out this big world.
February 20, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Why every speaks about the contents of the site and not the news it is exposing to the world. Why there is nothing about the Chrisitians who convert. Every is ready to file a case in the site and why not on the people who convert people? All say it is showing hate. How many people have thought why is it and how to stop it? That’s why India is like this and I am sure India will not develop.
February 21, 2007 at 7:48 am
Christian aggression is for real. Hence the name of the site is apt.
This explains it
You are probably wondering what is the aggression caused by Christians in India. You may wonder how can a minority religion that is only 3% of the population cause aggression in a nation of over 1,000,000,000 people. In the press, the aggresion and “persecution” of Christians is often publicized. However it is never publicized how Christian Fundamentalists often incite this cycle of violence and aggression.
The root cause of Christian aggression in India is caused by the fact that Christianity believes that Jesus Christ is the only son of god. He is supposed to have been sent to earth to wash away the sins of the people, and so redeem them. Of course, this happens only to those who accept him as the only son of god. All the others do not get the benefit who do not have this shared belief will be burnt in hell for all eternity.
Christianity says that it has a unique path to salvation, and all the other paths are false. While there is supposed to be some modification in these views, the acceptance is that all the other paths may at most be second best. Therefore, it is better if people accept Christianity and not take a chance.
Christians believe that they have been commanded by Christ to go and “save” (convert) the people of this world. This is also supposed to give them special merit when it comes to the day of final judgment.
While there are many Christians who today do not believe in this exclusivity, there are a still large number of misguided Christians who still believe that in the exclusivity of Christianity and the concept of saving souls.
It is this misguided belief that causes breeds a hatred and intolerance for other religions. and from this hatred, these Christian Fundamentalists begin their aggression to convert. And often they will go to any means to convert even if it means violence.
This website seeks to educate the world about the atrocities that conversions bring and to bring this aggressive nature of Christianity to an end.
Source:
http://www.christianaggression.org/about_need.php
February 21, 2007 at 8:50 am
Dear Mr. Chacko: I have a question for you. I am a famous professor of psycho-analysis and Hinduism and movies and many other things at Emory University in Atlanta…
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February 21, 2007 at 7:35 pm
I am from India. I have seen with my own eyes how blatantly conversions take place in my country.
It is openly done. Even in places like Tirupati, our holy place. There is perhaps no Hindu religious place in southern India which does not have a huge church, a large cross or other symbol of Christianity very close to the Hindu religious place. It all seems deliberate and a forceful way to establish your presence. And since in the south there is absolutely no resisitance to these things, christian fundamentalists are emboldend. I am not lying. Please visit the outskirts of Chennai to see what’s going on, not to speak of the interior regions of AP, Tamil Nadu, Kerala. Coming to northern India, that’s now the prime target. Even our Kumbh Mela is not spared by the missionaries. They just hate other religions. They want to follow the worse of what is their in the bible, i.e. spread Christianity, whichever way you can. Fraud, money, deceit it doesn’t matter. But sweep the world with christianity. It is these missionaries who are dividing families, spreading religious hatred and should be condemned.
February 22, 2007 at 7:33 am
I am desperate, Rev. Chacko! Please help!
See how virile your priests are: fathering dozens of babies! Wow!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/21/southern.baptist.ap/index.html
Pregnant with her minister’s baby
“”I believe kids are not safe in Southern Baptist churches,” said Brown, who runs a Web site called the Voice to Stop Baptist Predators.
One SNAP member, Debbie Vasquez, said she was raped by a Southern Baptist minister in Texas when she was 15 years old.”
“Now 48, Vasquez filed a lawsuit last year against the pastor, the Rev. Dale “Dickie” Amyx and his current church, Bolivar Baptist in Sanger, Texas, about 45 miles north of Dallas. She claims the church knew, or should have known, about Amyx’s past.
Vasquez says she was raped when Amyx was a minister at the now-defunct Calvary Baptist Church in Lewisville, another town north of Dallas.
When she became pregnant with Amyx’s child at age 18, church leaders forced her to go before the congregation and ask forgiveness as an unwed mother. But the congregation was never told it was Amyx’s baby. ”
“Amyx acknowledged in court documents that he had a sexual relationship with Vasquez and was the father of her child. Texas court records also show that Amyx was convicted in 1967 for giving beer to a minor.”
Wow, Rev. Chacko!
February 22, 2007 at 5:04 pm
India is a Hindu Country. Who is denying that fact? Even Maulana Mulayam Singh Yadav agreed upon it.
Former UP congress State president , Mr. Jagdambika Pal says UP government machinery spent Rs 800 crore for organizing the conclave of VHP.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5922_1928032,0015002500030003.htm
February 22, 2007 at 5:57 pm
I read all the comments. I am a keralite, Born in Nair community, born and studied in Kerala. I remember the phamphlets and small books used to get distributed in our village(25 years back) by “Christians”. I was never told by my parents that it belongs to some other religion so don’t read it etc. At least once in a year, there used to be a free bible distribution in my Govt School. None of the teachers or Head of the school used to object that. We children used to be very happy to get those to make Paper Planes with it. In my area there were some Latin Catholics with their first name Christian and second a hindu name. We all used to play together and we used to participate in each other’s festivals. But now, off late they/we stopped doing so. The division widened, Christians started naming the Bus Stops and Roads to some Christian names. Some nostalgic Nairs and others started objecting it. Even in Bangalore, many streets and roads “Mariamman Palayam” become “Marianna Palaya”…and so on. I sympathise with so called Christians and Muslims in their effort to make others to their religion. Assume all in the world become Christians…what next? Disintegration? internal fight and obvious break up? Dear friends, Nothing in this world or in nether world is permanent. This very “marianna palaya” will surely become “Moron Palaya” also. Only one thing I know, “CHRIST” has gone for ever from this world when he saw the lavish life style of “Pope” and ranks below. When Christ lived for and with poor, our Kardinals and Priests in the name of him, sitting at rich business man’s house drinking wine and eating chicken to think about their next plan to capture more wealth.I respect Nuns as they are more sincere than the socalled Christain priests.
In my childhood, Christ was alive. Now he committed suicide. Only church and the organisation exists.
If India was the place of birth of all civilisations (Christ came and studied in India and Tibet)philosophies and Buddhism kind of superb enquiry to end misery of the whole human kind (Christ copied a part of it).He mentioned “Father” as not actually “God” but “Buddha”. It will have that special beings like “Gandhiji” born time to time. Christians can only become the followers of Christ. But, you can see many actual christs here. I sympathise Christ for not even having one right follower.Even the structure of catholic organisation is a weired copying of “Buddhist Monastry”.
Do you know how many times the bible has been re-written? I know at least 10 versions of the same.
Some history of india based on notes of Chinese and British travellers
Ref: wikipedia.org. “India had a rich culture which consisted of “Gurukulam” at each and every village where education was free and castless(Buddhist Era) (Before Sri Sankara and Mughal period)”
“The place like Nalanda, Takshshila had students from all over the world to study philosophy, mimamsa, politics, medicine etc”
The Brahmanism also did a lot of undoing. But, India has gone to such darkness in Mughal (about 350 years) and then British rule (about 250 years). By including all India will again come up as an example to the world. Which nation can be proud of a Prime Minister from Sikh religion a President from Muslim religion when the majority is Hindu? Dear outsiders..whether it is Vattikkan or Macca, India got its way. We don’t require you. Here at least people are aware about the atrocities and working against it. Who is there to question in Vattikkan or Islamists countries? Has anybody got guts to do that?
February 22, 2007 at 8:13 pm
Rajeev G & others : Very nice, gentle thought. Thanks for writing. I have more examples, but what is the point in writing ? we are supposed to ask quesitons, because the other religion people are trained not to use their brain.
Jo : I am waiting for your answers. Please answer my questions. Or please agree that your thoughts are half-boiled and pseudo logical and leave leftism.
Christians distribute bible in Govt schools, Rly stns. Do Hindus do it ? — nice quesiton Rajeev.
February 22, 2007 at 8:50 pm
See, the language in which this passage is written itself shows how much you hate the so called “losers”. You can’t fight hatred with hatred; it is as simple as that.
The fact is that some Christian missionaries are involved in inhuman activities almost everywhere in the world. There has been proven records, to the extent that venerated pope accepted child molestation charges by some of his people. If people in India or people from India, are writing something against the aggression and the practices of the Christian missionaries, we should take this as a “constructive feedback”.
Don’t give the Hindus a chance to complain. The fact remains that 99% of the converts to your religion in India, belong to people below poverty line. That will put substance in the picture.
February 22, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Chacko is still dodging the basic question:”WHAT are the hate statements at the site christianaggression.org”?
Telling the truth is not “spreading hate”. It is “education”.
Chacko describes himself as a “CRUSADER”. Is this not “hate speech”?? Do you know how many women and children, and men, were hacked, pierced and/or burned to death by “Crusaders”? Do you think people of other religions are thrilled to be remined of such a hate term as “Crusader”, Chacko?
Good people don’t use hate terms like “Crusader”. Even George Bush had to quit using it in public.
See http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cru1.htm
“On 1095-NOV-27, the Pope called on Europeans to go on a crusade to liberate Jerusalem from its Muslim rulers. “The first and second wave of Crusaders murdered, raped and plundered their way up the Rhine and down the Danube as they headed for Jerusalem. “Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!” 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed as the first Crusade passed through. Some Jewish writers refer to these events as the “first holocaust.” Once the army reached Jerusalem and broke through the city walls, they slaughtered all the inhabitants that they could find (men, women, children, newborns). After locating about 6,000 Jews holed up in the synagogue, they set the building on fire; the Jews were burned alive. The Crusaders found that about 30,000 Muslims had fled to the al Aqsa Mosque. The Muslim were also slaughtered without mercy.
These mass killings were repeated during each of the 8 additional crusades until the final, 9th, crusade in 1272 CE… mong many Jews and Muslims, the term crusade evokes visions of genocide, mass murder, and mass extermination of innocent people.”
Now “crusade” is a “term, frequently used to refer to mass rallies and campaigns to win converts – as in the Billy Graham Crusades.”
Now you have left CLEAR PROOF of what you are: a CONVERSIONIST HATE-MONGER – and of your own hate speech on the internet, and I have downloaded it, as I am sure, have many others and the GOOGLE archives.
So yes, PLEASE, go ahead and file your lawsuit. In America. And enjoy the result.
Aren’t you going to sue ttp://www.crusadewatch.org
“Conversion Watch – Crusage Watch-Evangelism Watch” as well? THEY tell the truth about your kind too, so you must hate them as well??
Oh! here’s another Hate site to sue, Holy CRUSADER Chacko dear:
http://skeptically.org/enlightenment/id7.html
“The First Crusade was launched in 1095 with the battle cry “Deus Vult” … thousands of whom were dragged from their homes or hiding places and hacked to death or burned alive. Then the religious legions plundered their way 2,000 miles to Jerusalem, where they killed virtually every inhabitant, “purifying” the symbolic city. Cleric Raymond of Aguilers wrote: “In the temple of Solomon, one rode in blood up to the knees and even to the horses’ bridles, by the just and marvelous judgment of God.”
Or.. were you just bluffing all along, like the hate-spreading, baby-buggering (not hate, Chacko, FACT) preachers of your so-called “religion”?
Yeshu Christu is supposed to have said: “Forgive them, for they Know Not”.
What’s YOUR excuse, Chacko? Ignorance?
February 22, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Hindu siblings learn spellings in Bihar madarsa
By Dipak Mishra, Times of India Tuesday
12 September 2000
PATNA: On a recent visit to the backwaters of Bihar, a maulana (cleric) from UP found that a madarsa in Gopalganj district had a lesson or two to teach on communal amity. He found two Hindu boys, aged three and five, attired in a topi, (cap) reading Urdu prescribed for Muslim students. The Singh siblings are not the only ones. About 70 children belonging to the Hindu community at present study in the madarsa, which has a total strength of about 400.
“When he learnt their names, he wanted to meet me,” exults the siblings’ grandfather Vidya Bhusan Singh. The former lawmaker has been sending his two grandsons to the local madarsa instead of the village primary school in Gopalganj district for a long time now.
Initially, there was a hue and cry in the Meera Tola-Khetapur village’s Rajput community, to which he belong. “We had to face relentless taunts from the villagers. They even said we were converting to Islam,” Singh, who is the general secretary of the state unit of the Samajwadi Party, told The Times of India.
But that was then. Today, Singh’s experiment has borne fruit and there has been a sea change in the attitude of the villagers. “Today, about 70 children belonging to the Hindu community study in the same madarsa which has a total strength of about 400. The head maulana did not object to Hindu children studying in the madarsa,” he said.
But why did he send his grandsons to the madarsa for primary education? Only because the village government primary school was defunct, Singh pointed out. “The primary school has two teachers. Each draws a salary of over Rs 10,000 per month. But the two are always absent. On the other hand, the madarsa is efficiently run.”
Singh does not think that sending his grandsons to the madarsa intrudes on his religion. “On the contrary, they will have a better perception of their own and other’s religion,” he stressed pointing out that the madarsa in his village must be the only one in the state in which so many Hindu children study.
Interestingly, this has been a learning experience for the grandfather too. “I have tried to learn the Urdu script from my grandsons since I was never able to learn the language,” he said.
February 23, 2007 at 10:34 am
Dear Jayakumar
Please let me write little bit more before I leave this discussion to my Christian and Muslim brothers.
Some body talked about Christain Missionary’s Education in India. The fact is they have taught only the elite class. Many middle class people never opted Convent Education because it used to be costly and unaffordable. I never got a chance to study in convent school. I think now that as my luck. We used to call the convent children as “Whitelagons” (A hen, just made for Egg and flesh)used to get carried in Vans. I support left in that matter for imparting some education to poor. Christian Missionary can never claim of educating the poor in India. They took money from the rich class. Spent for food in lower class and got the conversion. Since “Catholism” (I mean british rule) made India sick and pushed to a mere poor third world country. They ruined India’s cottage industries. Pushed to buy things came out of so called “Industrial Revolution” of the europe.
They supported the elites(Brahmins)just below them to rule India. They ruined all our self confidence and tried to make us believe that “White” skin is better than “Grey Matter”.
Christians of India never supported Indian Independent movement(There are somany proofs to support this) These are all certain facts. But, those christians have died. This is a new era, let us forget the past, we are going ahead with protecting what we had, and will surely accommodate all except “traitors”. We know how to take care of Indians including the so called Dalits and brahmins. After all it is just a sibling rivalry. Please do not bring and tell what peace is to us. None of the Abrahamic religion ever could explain the science and mind matter relation as “Buddhism” did. Do not show that converting them to Christianity is the only way. And also, do not think that he will continue as a christian for ever. I am sure even Chacko & others will throw away their half cooked meal one day. Because only wholesome got solace. Half filled pot will only make noise. So, it is up to my Christian and Muslim friends whether you want to adopt Indian culture (Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs) or some thing which can never be part of this land’s culture. But, can still continue with obselete ideologies. You all got protection through the constitution made by Great People like Ambedkar. You are in India. Don’t worry.
I don’t hate Christians or Muslims. But, at least erace those hating part from your religious books and be a Hindu or Buddhist and adopt to change. India gave protection to Dalai Lama when we know that we are going to make China furious. Because for us culture in important.
I only sympathise out of compassion. Let your evolution happen faster. I pray. I am not ending here with a question to anybody. Because still there are people to say that it is our weakness. Just to make us militant and violent as them. Sorry. WE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM REST OF THE WORLD.
February 23, 2007 at 5:46 pm
59 years after Independence from Christian British, We are under the rule of your holiness, PunditJis.
Now, look at the official figures of aggression against us from your holiness Brahmins:
Every hour two Dalits were assaulted; every day three Dalit women raped, two Dalits murdered, and two Dalit homes torched.
Yet the actual reality of crimes against Dalits is much worse than these numbers suggest. Amnesty estimated that only about 5 percent of attacks are registered.
http://kherlanji.blogspot.com/
Blame it on Christians, Moslems, and Sikhs.
Dalit dilemma: Education rises, not prosperity
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Dalits_education_rise_not_prosperity/articleshow/738643.cms
Adivasis: A Cultural Cooption
http://www.countercurrents.org/comm-puniyani060406.htm
February 24, 2007 at 12:34 am
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February 24, 2007 at 1:45 am
Oh, My Aryan Videshi BaaBu, I understand your saffron inhaled feeling towards Dalits, or aborigines of this country.
Swaho Sahoo, Chandigarh NewsLine, Express India , Sunday , February 04, 2007 do have a report for you.
some extracts :
North Indian households may be poised for a major lifestyle change in terms of food habit. In a recent study conducted by the gastroenterology department of PGI, one in every 122 children in Chandigarh is prone to celiac disease, commonly referred to as wheat allergy.
“Celiac disease is a genetically transmitted disease and North Indians share the same genes as Europeans,” said Dr Ajit Sood, HOD, Gastroenterology at DMC. “Most of the North Indian population are descendants of Europeans who invaded the country,” Dr Sood added, on the sidelines of a talk on the geographical variations of the disease, at the Gastro CME in PGI.
http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=220667
February 24, 2007 at 2:04 am
Chacko says –
“We don’t need people who have given up their Indian citizenships and taken an oath to protect and serve another constitution how to run our country. We don’t need these people/websites spreading false information about minorities in our country.”
How do you know that they all are American Citizens of Indian origin?
Maybe they are green card holders like me, who retain their Indian citizenship.
OR
Maybe they are not Indian at all?
Are you saying that only Indian citizens have the right to critize Indian issues?
Then by extension, you should have written in an open forum, your threat to obtain a “non bailable warrant” for the pope, who uttered a more remark, which has inherently more potential to create communal disharmony.
OR
What happens to people like you, If India begins issuing dual citizenship to Indians overseas….you will have to shut up..no?
February 24, 2007 at 9:43 am
CONCLUSIONS FROM THE THREAD :
1) Christians are like walls. However smart and straight Hindu’s answer them, they will not agree or change. They will ask some irrelevant stupid questions.
2) Most of the Dalits will bash Hindu’s only, what ever is the profit they got. Where as 100% of Dalits in pakistan has no quota, 70% are slaves, 96% live under extreme poverty. In India they are given lot of opportunity.
But they will praise Islam, praise christianity which did nothing for them except conversion. They will do all these despite knowing Ambedkar – is a brahmin name that was adopted by Dr.Bheemarao saheb as a note of thanks to his Bramin teacher Ambedkar.
3) Hindu’s will answer to all stupid questions. Christians will repeat questions as if a great new thought. Leftist will create their own blogs and without shame will give the link as if external link written by some neutral agency; they will join with christians without knowing what they are doing.
4) Manoj is the only person with sense of humor. Jayakumar is the only person with non-sense of humor.
Jesus, forgive all christians.. they don’t care about you but about conversion..
February 24, 2007 at 11:13 am
Dear Pickle for life,
I thought of not commenting about anything in this thread. Now. I know I am telling something which is actually not relevant to this thread. But, I wanted to say sorry for whatever our ancestors have done to your ancestors. And some stray incidents still here and there by so called upper cast. Changing a religion after studying that is the right way. Not going to that just because you hate some people here or you get some money or food there. Free food will be there only for a while. After that, they will ask you to work for your earning. That time you will understand none of the religion offers “FREE FOOD”.
I am born in Hindu Religion. I can never support the damages done by ” Brahminism”. Please look at the gods in Hindu Religion. No one is a Brahmin. “Brahmin” is and was there always in all cultures. The knowledgeable, unites for their greed and all Police and Army are to protect the money of the so called Brahmins. The name changes in different places. The Dalits are also there everywhere. The name differs and the style differs.
I do not believe in Hindu Religion and its gods. But, I like the overall knowledge which got gathered under that culture. I am more supportive of Buddhism and do not believe in a creator and protector. If some people did something, doesn’t mean, you lost all your ways. India also has undergone so many years of attacks, poverty, floods etc. Human kind survived and protected its wealth by some “Wise”. If your father got beaten by someone else’s father should not make you to fight with the son of the father who has beaten. You people should have the ability to think independently. Otherwise this mental slavery and hatred will continue for no reason. That is why I do not hate Christians, Muslims or Brahmins. Those who has done the damage has gone. In this new age, we all have to sit together and sort out issues left by our ancestors. So many people given blood for independence, so many faught for inequality. We should not make their effort go futile rather, we should glorify. I want all the Dalits to unite against atrocities against their community or non-community. All the people should be alert in a democratic set-up to protect their interest. But, at the same time all should be aware about their duty to preserve and proceed to progress and leave a hateless society for our coming generation. If we do not work for that now, our coming generation will never forgive us. That is the reason, I went a little overboard to tell Christians and Muslims to remove their hate lines from their religious books. It is not there in Buddhist, Jainist books and Hindu scriputres got it all it is as equvillent as non-existent. Since there is no common body for that, nobody can do any alteration in that. Otherwise also, Hindu Culture was a Laboratory of all experiments and it is a vast library. It got Theism, Polytheism, Aetheism and all. I am lucky to be born in this great country, in Hindu culture and lucky to learn and understand Buddhism.
February 25, 2007 at 10:19 am
Dear Jayakumar with a ‘non-sense’ of humour -whatever that means – maybe you forgot to mention that those are your ‘personal conclusions’ from the thread.
February 25, 2007 at 10:44 am
Clerical Exams for ..
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February 25, 2007 at 12:53 pm
[…] takes some time off from the heated discussion on Mutiny to better understand the Hindu caste system and states how he is a working Shudra though he is born […]
February 25, 2007 at 5:40 pm
That’s bad, I guess.
February 26, 2007 at 7:02 am
This is a neat article which is relevant to our discussion here.
A call to converted Christians-“Abandon all illusions once for all”
2/25/2007 6:37:01 AM HK Correspondent
Throughout history, evangelical missionaries have enticed Innocent, poor people in India by fraud, deception, coercion and tricks to convert and indoctrinate them with illusion and fantasies of economic prosperity.
This false fantasy and jugglery was used to deprive people of Asia, Africa and South America. The missionaries became land owners and converted became deprived, poor and alienated from their own culture. They were abandoned and left to suffer. The fake prosperity missionaries have promised never happened.
In the U.S, converted blacks are deprived, poor and discriminated. In the South converted people are subjected to humiliation, deprivation and live in utter poverty. Missionaries are never to be seen with any services.
In India, Christian Churches are the richest rural and urban land owners. IT HAS ONLY ONE purpose-to maintain its control and political power. The Church do not apply a policy of benevolence to the converted people. They are cleared of their traditional, spiritual culture and provided them a bible and empty, bogus promises of paradise. The Bishops live in extremely lavish, lustful and corrupt life.
In summary, Churchianity’s hunger for dictatorial power, cruelty, and fear for spirituality, truthfulness, compassion and tolerance are creating social problems not only for the converted Christians, but also for the entire nation. Churchianity has no ethical concepts or moral principles. They produce and distribute bible, hatred, falsehood, empty promise and fantasy. It is time for converted Christians to extricate themselves from the evil, free themselves from the Christian shackles, and abandon all illusions once for all.
http://www.haindavakeralam.org/PageModule.aspx?PageID=3108&SKIN=C
February 26, 2007 at 11:17 am
It all happens in India! We have a wonderful judicial system which is fair to few.
35 accused in Khairlanji Dalit killings discharged
A special court hearing the case of the Dalit killings in Khairlanji village of Bhandara district on Thursday discharged 35 of the accused.
On February 12, the CBI, while filing a supplementary chargesheet against some of the accused under Sections 120B and 140 of the IPC, had urged the judicialmagistrate first class, Mohadi, P Y Ladekar, to discharge 35 of the 46 persons arrested in connection with the killing of four members of the Bhotmange family—Surekha, her daughter Priyanka, sons Sudhir andVishal—by amob on September 28 last year.
Among those arrested, 35 accused—all of whom were present in the court—were granted bail subsequent to completion of 90 days of magisterial custody remand, while the remaining 11 were remanded to judicial custody.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Mumbai/35_accused_in_Khairlanji_Dalit_killings_discharged/articleshow/1662575.cms
High court dismisses case against Bal Thackeray
HC on Friday dismissed its appeal against the discharge of Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray in a case relating to publication of inflammatory articles during the 1992-1993 Mumbai riots.
Justice J H Bhatia upheld the metropolitan court’s order closing the case against Thackeray on account of the delay in filing the charge sheet.
The judge threw out the case saying it was time barred. He further added that there was no explanation for the seven-year delay in filing the charge sheet.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/Cities/Mumbai/High_court_dismisses_case_against_Thackeray_Sr/articleshow/1670361.cms
Court bans entry into Orissa temple
Dalits in Orissa are not allowed to enter and worship in many Hindu temples by the upper castes.
http://www.rxpgnews.com/india/Court-bans-entry-into-Orissa-temple_5988.shtml
February 26, 2007 at 9:15 pm
” I went a little overboard to tell Christians and Muslims to remove their hate lines from their religious books.”
Rajeev, can you tell me where in the Bible it says to hate your religion or any religion? Please help me to understand what you are trying to say here.
February 27, 2007 at 3:56 am
Lisa Mathews and the like- Stop the BS. Both the Quron and the Bible are the 2 vile man-made documents, and all you have to do is to look at the glorious history of Xtainity, from crusades to how they wiped out central and south American cultures. The Portuguese bastards raped Hindus and forced many into submission, and this is documented well. Bible has nothing to offer to me or any human on this planet. Bible-based idiots continue to discriminate Jews, homosexuals and non-Xtians in USA to this day.
If you arew looking for Bible passages that are anti-humanity, here are some (courtesy, evilbible.com).
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1). Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5
2). Ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:
Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10
Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8
3). Judge other religions for not following Christ:
Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22
Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19
The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7
Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12
False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9
4). Here are my two personal favorites:
Everyone will have to worship Jesus — whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10
A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33
February 27, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Dear Lisa,
If Rajendra’s reply is not sufficient, I can provide more. Why to waste time? Reading bible with one hand and pushing the button which sends missiles to Afghanistan and Iraq by George Bush is a follower of Christianity. Does Pope got courage to oust him from that religion or at least say that he is not a Christain, if Christianity is for peace? (Definitely not a follower of Christ. Because he told to love the neighbour)is the best example. The people got killed in WTC attack is about 5000. Bush and his army, officially killed almost 6000 by now(unofficial who knows?)
Pickle for life, as I told you, cannot judge Hinduism from few recent incidents or from Brahminism. The main Hindu scriptures are made and taught by non-brahmins. Brahmins learned it later and then they with their cunningness stopped others learning it as an easier way to rule others. Brahmins kept priesthood as hereditary. They took all precaution to rule over the people mentally and physically. This is happening in Christianity now. It happened every where. That doesn’t mean one who taught and wrote those scriptures are bad, the very principle is bad etc. It depends on your capacity to understand beyond love and hatred earned out of certain incidents of your life. If you want to really understand the depth of those studies. I request you to look with a binocular beyond the age of Vedas, then come and see to this extend. I am not saying not to become a Christian. Not to become a Muslim but understand the doctrine and then convert. But, even after converting, the very hatred doesn’t go from your mind means what? Think deeply. Religion or some incidents are not the issue….it is your head. You can change that with your thinking and love those who hates you (Not foolish love) but, love with compassion to understand the way they have been programmed to hate you like you do it to them now. Try to work to reduce your hatred first than running to a nearby church with the same head.
Unite to protect. I don’t think changing religion to escape from your “Head” is the solution. Whether you change to Buddhism or Christianity is not going to bring peace until you work on your own hatred in your mind. If you want to add fuel to that, media will provide enough of that. Think not to become a victim of media nor this blog.
With a lot of compassion,
Rajeev
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February 27, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Mr.Chacko,
Who is not insecure in this world? The so called confidence/over confidence you show of sueing for something itself is showing your insecurity. Whoever thinks they have something to protect is insecure. I frankly do not believe that you are that matured to understand what I say. Now. Anyway, wish you a proper evolution to understand at least later.
With a lot of compassion,
Rajeev
February 27, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Rajeev, thank you for your compassion. For everything else, “talk to the hand”.
February 27, 2007 at 10:03 pm
I may have missed it but what hateful evil acts have Christian’s been doing, specifically. I saw above in a comment a lot of references to scriptures in the Old Testament in the Bible. In understanding Christianity, which I think is important as you talk about Christians, the New Testament is a critical component. Without the New Testament, there is no Christianity. I’ll provide some verses of the God I have come to understand through Jesus Christ…..
11This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
16This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. 19This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence 20whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.
21Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. 1 John 3:11-24
Love
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1 Corinthians 13
So, basically, I read the first half of the 175 comments. I’m still not understanding the full agression mentioned. But, as a Christian……if another Christian anywhere on this earth is acting in hate, then the blessing of the God of the universe is not on them. God has chosen to work through love.
Each one of you have been designed uniquely by a creator who anticipates your life, a relationship with you, is excited about you. You have been created for a reason. It is my prayer that you come to find it, discover it, live it, and experience the freedom in it.
You are, afterall, a treasure!
Just call me a sis
February 28, 2007 at 10:19 am
Dear Sister,
As I told, there are good things and bad things written in all “Old Books”. It is our wisdom which helps us to find out what leads to peace and prosperity, what leads to destruction. Of course Christ is the first person talked to a totally uncivilized crowd around him about the importance of “Love”. That is the reason they couldn’t understand it in its basics and they killed him. Then came out all stories, his preachings etc and he become the son of god. It is nothing but our failure to understand the elevation of that very human being. We called him that “Enlightened Consciousness” as god or son of god or prophet. The bible is not directly written by him. It got a lot of influence of the people and their mentality of that time. I am not questioning Christ and his teachings derived out of bible. But, the bible is not fully revealing probably his heightened level of achievement, rather it got many contradictory statements, it got revised many times etc. The issue raised by Chacko is suing people who talks bad about his religion. Why he is not getting angry when somebody speaks bad about other religion? Because Chacko thinks he got something to protect. Christ thought there is nothing to be protected so he was courageous and asked to forgive those whoever does evil. Chacko cannot do that, since he didn’t understand Christ like his own leaders and priests. Hope you understood my reasoning. Chacko will even make missiles, point to others head and say he will shoot on others and will ask why are you feeling insecured???? I am sorry to say, I cannot consider George Bush and Chacko are followers of Christ. Since “Pope” didn’t say anything about those atrocities, I cannot consider Pope also as a follower of “Christ”. He is there just to protect the interest of the rich, insecure people of America and Europe.
They may be members of “Christianity” and so called organisation. Christians and their followers are walking just opposite of Christ walked. I do not hate Christians or Chacko for what they do. I know they are not able to escape from their greed for power, greed for ensuring the protection of their materialistic wealth. But I am surprised by the fact that they are not even aware that this same liking for materialistic achievements, insecurity to protect what they think as dear and near, is there with everybody immaterial of their religion. (Of course with very few exception). Chacko asked me to talk to my hand. I know I am writing all this mails to a stone. Probably stone may turn out to be wise.
But, if my writing helps to make them understand, or at least think a while, my effort is not a waste. But, instead, if they get another person to hate, I failed. Dear sister, do not give much importance to the so called holybooks written by not so holy people. Whether it is Bible, Qran, Vedas or Suttas. Those are all good to get some ideas about wisdom. But, I will not say all are 100% foolproof path to spiritual elevation. You have to adopt your method as per your “Conditioning” to unclutter your mind. Throwing, bashing, threatening etc is childish and immature. Those people have to evolve a lot.
With a lot of compassion,
Rajeev
February 28, 2007 at 9:32 pm
I skipped a lot of comments on this thread. Just came to say hi to Sister and all you guys who’ve commented here…
Chacko I understand it’s offensive that people are trying to sow discord amongst our brothers but they are just lost. Anyone who has hate in his heart is lost. Jesus is reaching out to them let’s not come in his way by furthering their hate if we can help it.
I say that as a fellow christian because Paul gave us the right to speak freely to each other even if we have no right to judge one outside the church.
Just wanna say I’m an Indian convert to Christianity living in India and social rights here are not equal among all like legal rights are. If you want to protest, the anti-conversion legislations are a better thing to protest against. Hate will always exist. Win a case against one person, or against 3 or 5, you remove hate only from their hearts. More will come. Jesus promised persecution to all who love him, no servant is greater than his master. If we do not forgive why should we expect to be forgiven?
Note to Rajeev- I wouldn’t judge Chacko or anyone as a follower or non-follower of anybody. I don’t know who you follow, but do you follow them perfectly? If man was not fallen, there would be no need for a Saviour. We’re all imperfect. We all “know” what is good but no one can act according to it perfectly, no one.
That’s why Jesus wasn’t “just” an elevated thinker. He was the perfect, sinless Son of God because no man is perfect and God is merciful. If you wanna continue this conversation, comment anywhere at my blog or email me – RED.wpblog@gmail.com
Chacko, good luck in whatever you decide to do- in my opinion, the Christian community and all of India would benefit the most from love and patience in prayer- but my wisdom is also limited, I pray peace and God’s will be done in your life and through you in other people’s lives.
Love,
-RED
March 1, 2007 at 9:48 pm
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March 2, 2007 at 9:07 am
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March 2, 2007 at 10:13 am
Leave all these images, and faiths, you will have only one image of love. With image of christ or krishna or sound of Allah, people will be surely stuck there and will argue whose image is better…Fools. Like the blinds talking about the Elephat they perceived.
Images are mentally created, socially conditioned. Rituals follow to make a man real salve to certain faith and makes him violent to throw stones at others who got another set of images…better get rid of all these images. See the being near and around as “Suffering beings” with very many problems including religion.
With a lot of compassion,
Rajeev
March 3, 2007 at 5:25 am
Chacko, you have no case at all and would be just going around in circles. The website is not manufacturing information. It is pulling what is reported from different sources. What are you going to do strangle the media ? Wake up. The media is reporting the truth. The only problem is that it is not to your liking. I am a hindu and i know first hand what the missionaries are upto. The w4ebsite is just reflecting the devious ways of your brothers. Quit being a fool and try to amend your ways. The resistance would only intensify. Clean up your acts. Quit talking about national divide and brotherhood. It just doesn’t seem right when at the same time you support the missionary dementia. There can be no brotherhood until the rat called “missionary” is eradicated. Your support only proves you are one of them. You are a neo-convert and you just cannot face truth about the deception of the faith that you converted to.That is understandable
March 3, 2007 at 5:33 am
Chacko”
India is my country, if we have a problem, we will solve it. Please don’t waste your bandwidth and web-design skills on creating hate. Take down your website by the end of this month. If you don’t, I will be reporting this matter to the Government of India and the US authorities. I will not let losers like you create divisions in my country.
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Man you reek of hypocricy.Very true to your religion. Your empty bellows only makes you a laughing stock.
March 3, 2007 at 7:51 am
Chacko, I didn’t want to leave without mentioning that if you and your missionary pigs do succeed at any level(if at all) then the rift would widen like enevr before. And yes you can act all enlightened by guessing where i am. You should not be worried as to where i am but where i am going.
You are such an ass
March 3, 2007 at 11:32 am
Dear “Hindu” –
I’m left with a perplexed sigh after reading your words. I hear the words you use against the Christian, “missionary dimentia” “missionary pigs” “hyprocricy” “empty bellows.” I hear your extreme words but I’m having a hard time understanding you. What atrocities have been created that would create such deep hatred towards another. Examples would be helpful.
Rajeev- Thanks for your long message to me. I did see kindness in your words and I received your words so well. I have studied the scriptures in a formal setting and other religions and texts as well. You mentioned the Holy Scriptures (Bible) written by “not so holy people.” You are certainly right about that. I have taken on the conviction that NO human is holy. That would have to include the authors. The GREAT thing about the GREAT Creator is that He chose not to dictate each of our lives. He chose to search our hearts and work through our lives, even though we are the spotted, scarred, and stained. He breaths new life into the self-indulgent, money thirsty, blood hungry and makes all things new. That is what is so great about all contributors of the 184 comments on this site. There is none of you that God is not willing to give new life to. The highest respected leader of the religous task force to kill Christians in the New Testament days ended up being the author of half of the New Testament of the Bible…..go figure. Quote:
“But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life.” 1 Tim 1:6
(Apostle Paul)
click this link for a deeper decription of that http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=22&version=31&context=chapter
Rajeev- Interesting thought you mentioned about when faith leaves, love replaces. I personally have a hard time owning that statement. The jungle people who live away from civilization and away from belief, are in the depths of evil and despair. Relentless murder against neighboring tribes. Deaths upon deaths. I don’t think that when we are left with ourselves, we are left with love. I think that when we are left with ourselves we are left with despair. My “adopted” grandpa was a man who chose to travel through the jungles in South America and lived 39 years with these people. It was only through that connection with Faith in the Creator of the universe that a male tribal head lived long enough to see a grandchild. Murders were so rampent that old age was never experienced. The thing about it, the Creator of the universe who designed each of you with intention and anticipation longs to reach into despair and a life far from God and bring healing and breath spiritual life into us.
Why Christianity? Every religion outside of TRUE Christ followers…Bible…requires some form of duty to attain “bliss” “Heaven” “Paradise” “Nirvana” ALL. Yet, what is the measure? Each one works hard or not so hard but is murder the cut off line. Do I pray so many times a day? Do I perform some sort of ritual so many times? Do understand, God does require perfection. God is Holy, blameless, pure. In the Old Testament days people would sacrifice the most perfect lamb. The God of the universe took on the wight of the sin of the world in sacrifice for us. Perfect. Love. Atonement. Clean. No duty required because even the attempt would be like a slap in the face to the Holy Creator of the Universe.
Trust, Faith, Forgiveness.
The weight of ouselves by ourselves, because of ourselves……..lifted.
Freedom
love-
little sis
March 4, 2007 at 8:16 am
Rajendra,
very very nice writings. I highly appreciate your references. Let me know your email ids, I will keep touch.
Rajeev, Venkat, you may also share your ids. I have left mine in one of the messages.
thanks,
jay
March 4, 2007 at 12:31 pm
this christian missionaries should be sued first for the illegal conversion that they are doing. not the christianaggression.com website. Anything that exposes the real truth will be disturbing for the culprits.
Hinduisim is a religion that thought the world universal acceptance & toleration.
Proud to be a Hindu
Manohar C N
March 5, 2007 at 2:57 am
I read a lot of posts on this site. Some deplorable and some thought provoking. I am a Christian however what struck me most on the discussion was how conveniently some of us have ignored the reason why the hindus are angry. I have repeatedly read questions from fellow christians as to what the cause of anger and hatred is. I believe that is kind of myopic. The hindus are in arms because of conversions. How can you miss the connatations and the denotations. How straightforward could the answer be?Why are my fellow christians not accepting the truth that there is lot of resentment and bad air because of these activities. I am all for end to nefarious conversions. Let hindus feel free to practice what they have practiced for thousands of year. Lets not meddle with the balance.Christians should work with hindus to end this sham under the name of religion.
March 5, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Mr.Paul, at last i found one true follower of Christ. My email id is r_govardhanam(at)yahoo(dot)com. Let me clarify one more point. I am not against or for conversion. But I am against deceiving. When a person is hungry, give some food and say “Christ has come to you in the form of food” is deceiving. Christ will surely commit suicide with such kind of propaganda.
Little Sis, A creator and protector is only a concept. Never proven. You are talking as if you know that better than anyone else in this world. “Love” is a proven connectedness. Belief in Christ or bible is not required to understand “True Love”.
There is a church near to my house. For all newly converted Christians. They are so against Hindus and the culture they followed till now. They are almost militant to take weapons against fellow Hindu beings around. They Object to give land(government land) to an School which got prayers done of all 3 major religions. If this is what they get from Church, then are they really getting civilised or uncivilised????????. Changing from traditional dress to Suit and coat is civilisation? Then you will say Gandhiji was the most uncivilised person along with Christ. Christ also didn’t apear in coat and suit. If the religion not teaching tolerance and patience as Christ taught, it will be dumped by civilised people. That is the reason educated westerners started looking to east for solace.
Whatever poor condition India is in now is the creation of Colonialism(Catholism then). Whatever richness now westerners got is what they snatched from their colonies long back. Now, that same wealth you are using through church to get followers(in my understanding other kind of slaves)asking to kill their own mother(the land and its culture) for food? then seeding hatred towards neighbours who keeps another “Picture” of god in his house? You call it civilising? Little sis, when will you grow up?
With a lot of compassion,
Rajeev
March 5, 2007 at 9:56 pm
A Word to Paul C,
“Let hindus feel free to practice what they have practiced for thousands of year. Lets not meddle with the balance.”
Near the beginning of the Olivet Prophecy, Jesus Christ foretells that the good news of the coming Kingdom of God will be preached to the entire world: And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14)
This verse is not a commission to anyone in particular—neither to the first-century apostles, nor anyone else. Jesus simply makes a statement of fact, prophesying that the entire world will hear the gospel preached as a witness and then God will act to bring about the end of this present age of man.
Christ does give His disciples a commission—and through them, His church: Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:19-20; emphasis ours throughout)
Matthew 24:14 and Matthew 28:19-20 are not synonymous. In the latter verses, though preaching as a witness is included within the scope of the commission, it actually places more emphasis on the entire process of conversion, feeding, growing, and overcoming than merely witnessing, as in Matthew 24:14.
March 6, 2007 at 5:18 am
I don’t believe in forcing any thing down anyone’s throat. Your are interpreting things your own way to achieve your end. If hindus are not interested in Gospel then let it be. You tried selling the ideology and they have rejected it. Thats’ all there is to it.
March 6, 2007 at 9:50 am
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March 6, 2007 at 10:16 am
Lisa,
When I did my schooling, Christians distributed Bible and threatened students that the world will come to an end by 1985, and one must convert to christianity to avoid Hell. By 1985 they postponed the date to 1990 and threatened students. Then they told 2000 is end of the word so no jesus no heaven. This is threatening and cheating people and converting them.
The world will not come to an end. But the christianity will. In US churches are closing. Few churches out-sourced prayers to churches in Kerala. In Kerala fathers are throwing stones on churches to claim their rights on the it. I have two requests :
1) Go and advice those preachers to keep peace and not throw stones on churches.
2) Advice those priest who overtook the church to be liberal and yield to other christians too.
2 1/2) Don’t preach love to others when none of you have it.
‘Jesus loves you; others think you are an ass hole’
Jayakumar Rajagopal
March 7, 2007 at 3:20 pm
“What exactly are you losers worried about? That 2.3 per cent of Indian’s Christian community will take over the Red Fort in Delhi?”
No not at all..We are not worried about anyone taking over us…It’s about thanklessness,ingratitude and betrayal that the missionaries do to those who welcomed them.
Liars would be those who say Christians are 2.3% of Indian population!
To Joe & Chacko – We know very well about our religion,that is the Sanatana Dharma’.We don’t have to learn anything from Sunday school preachers like you!
To Nita – If you want to know how Hate spread through before the arrival of Internet,please study more on supremacy theories on African invasion,American slavery,life of Adolf Hitler,rise of Christianity in Europe etc.(list is pretty exhaustive..).Iam sure you will get an answer.
March 7, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Paul C, where have I mentioned forcing someone? As a Christian it is your duty to spread the Gospel. What I mentioned above is from the Bible not something I made up.
To Jayakumar Rajagopal:
“When I did my schooling, Christians distributed Bible and threatened students that the world will come to an end by 1985, and one must convert to christianity to avoid Hell. By 1985 they postponed the date to 1990 and threatened students. Then they told 2000 is end of the word so no jesus no heaven. This is threatening and cheating people and converting them.”
Seriously dude, I have a hard time believing your story. I still don’t understand how can anybody force someone to convert?
March 7, 2007 at 9:24 pm
Lisa,My last reply on this post,.This horse has been beaten to death here.Duty is onething and again “resorting to deception” in fulfilling that duty is another thing. If a duty needs to be fulfilled only while resorting to treachery and deception, then it wasn’t a duty in the first place. You are probably confused between the words “Duty” and “Agenda”. What you are following is your agenda. You and Little sis seem to be in convenient denial of the truth.I wont return to see the response or comment here but a final word to everyone…Nationality and Religion are very personal emotions and lets not infringe/encroach on these emotions.
Peace
March 8, 2007 at 3:44 am
Chacko,
I have read with interest your perception on “aggression”. While I do not profess to be a subject matter expert, I would like to offer my 2 cents.
Firstly, India is one of the few countries with a minority prime minister, minority president and a minority leader of the ruling party. I cannot think of many nations with such a track record.
All the same, the views expressed by a majority of the posts (however colorful, be the prose!) call for some introspection. I think the grievance here is that there has been a effort to exploit this secular atmosphere by minority groups, be it in the form of preferred licenses to conduct educational enterprises or religious organisations.
For eg, I cannot understand why places of worship belonging to the minority community do not come under the governments purview, while my donations to my temple are partly absorbed by the state government.(Minority boards are for your reference – WAKF board, etc). I think there should be one law for all, irresp of religious affiliation.
Personally, I have been a liberal all my life, but I am gravitating towards the far right when I see these policies of appeasement.
My suggestion is that some effort be made to analyze these appeasement policies which in turn convert secular minded people to the far right.
March 8, 2007 at 9:14 am
Lisa,
Don’t be insenstive(typical cause of frequent visits to church) in reading others mail. I am writing a fact. there for I am. I you are not able to believe what I am saying is true, what shall I do?
If you don’t understand forced conversion possible, it is your ignorance. what you want me to do about that? After India’s independence, in Goa hindu’s were offered christianity/death by Portuguese. It is history and truth; what else you need?. If you are not extremely insenstive person, you would have already read several links my brohters have given in this page.
I am frustrated really. Explaining or proving something to christians is like explaining Nuclear phisics to a LKG dropped.
March 8, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Lisa,
“Paul C, where have I mentioned forcing someone? As a Christian it is your duty to spread the Gospel. What I mentioned above is from the Bible not something I made up”.
Lets analyze your statement:
01.You are not forcing anyone, because you are in no position to do so,(politically, or socially). If you WERE in a position to do so, I cannot predict what would have been the scenario.
02. Why is it that Christians conveniently decide not to follow the Bibles “duty to spread the Gospel” policy, in places like Saudi Arabia?
==> Such places make you think of the consequences of conversion, and you decide not to lose your head or other parts of your anatomy. However, in places such as India where you can do this thanks to our patience, tolerance and secularism, you are on the warpath. Can you list of any agency brave enough to proselytize in Saudi Arabia?
March 9, 2007 at 4:54 am
Yo chako dude, month’s up and
ChristianAggression.org still is up and running?
How’s that complaint to get them banned coming along?
If it’s not too late, some more sites I’d like you to
consider in your complaint.
The first is about some 40 odd anti-Hindu websites
exposed for their Christian activities:
http://www.hinduamericanfoundation.org/pdf/hate_report_2007.pdf
Also, it seems like Hindutva takeover of an non-Hindutva
website or media house called Tehelka is but certain. If you
don’t believe me, check this report:
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main.asp?filename=ts013004shashi.asp&id=1
The reporter has audacity to tell us that Falwell, Pat Robertson etc
to whom Lord Jesus speaks directly with needs an
army of communication consultants and
database experts to identify desi souls that needs saving!!
File a complaint against them too please.
And please keep us all updated.
March 9, 2007 at 3:32 pm
Dear Lisa and Little Sis,
You are trying to teach your professor. As I told you the Bible you carry is a piece of wisdom our ancestors have thrown through “Jesus” to an uncivilised society of that time to the extend they can understand. That also failed and still failing.
You are thinking and conditioned by Bible and Vatican to such an extend that “a piece” is the whole.
If you got the courage to interact more with Indians/paul kind of people you will surely stop going to Sunday School. In kerala also I know there is at leat a 30% of christians(by birth) do not go to church at all. I know now you will die of heart attack. But, I do not aim that. I request you to read other books also. for a change read “Pablo Neruda” for some time.HA HA HA….
Learn Meditation, Practice Yoga, you will have a longer happy life than going to church with a worried mind as why others are not getting converted?????????Why the no of convert this week is only 100? If this is the way 600 crore how much time it will take? Will I be able to see everybody all over the world calling jesus?
You can…Lisa. Make an animation movie of your choice and keep watching till the world ends(till you die). I will pray for your next birth to happen in India to think “Wholesomely”.
With a lot of compassion,
Rajeev
March 9, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Rajeev my brother, Bible never failed. Please read the following information provided by Providence Baptist Ministries.
The survival of the Bible through the ages is very difficult to explain if it is not in truth the Word of God. Books are like men—dying creatures. A very small percentage of books survive more than twenty years, yet smaller percentage last a hundred years and only a very insignificant fraction represent those which have lived a thousand years. Amid the wreck and ruin of ancient literature the Holy Scriptures stand out like the last survivor of an otherwise extinct race, and the very fact of the Bible’s continued existence is an indication that like its Author it is indestructible.
When we bear in mind the fact that the Bible has been the special object of never ending persecution the wonder of the Bible’s survival is changed into a miracle. Not only has the Bible been the most intensely loved Book in all the world, but it has also been the most bitterly hated. Not only has the Bible received more veneration and adoration than any other book, but it has also been the object of more persecution and opposition. For two thousand years man’s hatred of the Bible has been persistent, determined, relentless and murderous. Every possible effort has been made to undermine faith in the inspiration and authority of the Bible and innumerable enterprises have been undertaken with the determination to consign it to oblivion. Imperial edicts have been issued to the effect that every known copy of the Bible should be destroyed, and when this measure failed to exterminate and annihilate God’s Word then commands were given that every person found with a copy of the Scriptures in his possession should be put to death. The very fact that the Bible has been so singled out for such relentless persecution causes us to wonder at such a unique phenomenon.
Although the Bible is the best Book in the world yet is has produced more enmity and opposition than has the combined contents of all our libraries. Why should this be? Clearly because the Scriptures convict men of their guilt and condemn them for their sins! Political and ecclesiastical powers have united in the attempt to put the Bible out of existence, yet their concentrated efforts have utterly failed. After all the persecution which has assailed the Bible, it is, humanly speaking, a wonder that there is any Bible left at all. Every engine of destruction which human philosophy, science, force, and hatred could bring against a book has been brought against the Bible, yet it stands unshaken and unharmed today. When we remember that no army has defended the Bible and no king has ever ordered its enemies to be extirpated, our wonderment increases. At times nearly all the wise and great of the earth have been pitted together against the Bible, while only a few despised ones have honored and revered it. The cities of the ancients were lighted with bonfires made of Bibles, and for centuries only those in hiding dare read it. How then, can we account for the survival of the Bible in the face of such bitter persecution? The only solution is to be found in the promise of God. “Heaven and earth shall pass away, butMy Words shall not pass away.”
The story of the Bible’s persecution is an arresting one. During the first three centuries of the Christian era the Roman Emperors sought to destroy God’s Word. One of them, named Diocletian, believed that he had succeeded. He had slain so many Christians and destroyed so many Bibles, that when the lovers of the Bible remained quiet for a season and kept in hiding, he imagined that he had made an end of the Scriptures. So elated was he at this achievement, he ordered a medal to be struck inscribed with the words, “The Christian religion is destroyed and the worship of the gods restored.” One wonders what that emperor would think if he returned to this earth today and found that more had been written about the Bible than about any other thousand books put together, and that the Bible which enshrines the Christian faith is now translated into more than four hundred languages and is being sent out to every part of the earth!
Centuries after the persecution by the Roman Emperors, when the Roman Catholic Church obtained command of the city of Rome, the Pope and his priests took up the old quarrel against the Bible. The Holy Scriptures were taken away from the people, copies of the Bible were forbidden to be purchased and all who were found with a copy of God’s Word in their possession were tortured and killed. For centuries the Roman Catholic Church bitterly persecuted the Bible and it was not until the time of the Reformation at the close of the sixteenth century that the Word of God was again given to the masses in their own tongue.
Even in our day the persecution of the Bible still continues, though the method of attack is changed. Much of our modern scholarship is engaged in the work of seeking to destroy faith in the Divine inspiration and authority of the Bible. In many of our seminaries the rising generation of the clergy are taught that Genesis is a book of myths, that much of the teaching of the Pentateuch is immoral, that the historical records of the Old Testament are unreliable and that the whole Bible is man’s creation rather than God’s revelation. And so the attack on the Bible is being perpetuated.
Now suppose there was a man who had lived upon this earth for eighteen hundred years, that this man had oftentimes been thrown into the sea and yet could not be drowned; that he had frequently been cast before wild beasts who were unable to devour him; that he had many times been made to drink deadly poisons which never did him any harm; that he had often been bound in iron chains and locked in prison dungeons, yet he had always been able to throw off the chains and escape from his captivity; that he had repeatedly been hanged, till his enemies thought him dead, yet when his body was cut down he sprang to his feet and walked away as though nothing had happened; that hundreds of times he had been burned at the stake, till there seemed to be nothing left of him, yet as soon as the fires were out he leaped up from the ashes as well and as vigorous as ever—but we need not expand this idea any further; such a man would be super-human, a miracle of miracles. Yet this is exactly how we should regard the Bible! This is practically the way in which the Bible has been treated. It has been burned, drowned, chained, put in prison, and torn to pieces, yet never destroyed!
No other book has provoked such fierce opposition as the Bible, and its preservation is perhaps the most startling miracle connected with it. But two thousand five hundred years ago God declared, “The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the Word of our God shall abide for ever.” Just as the three Hebrews passed safely through the fiery furnace of Nebuchadnezzar unharmed and unscorched, so the Bible has emerged from the furnace of satanic hatred and assault without even the smell of fire upon it! Just as an earthly parent treasures and lays by the letters received from his child, so our Heavenly Father has protected and preserved the Epistles of love written to His children.
As far as Saudi Arabia goes, yes there is Christian Ministry there.
March 10, 2007 at 11:21 am
Dear Lisa,
Now it is fun. Few question about your god.
1. Is this world created by God? When did he make the first human being and when did he send his son to earth? How many years difference were there? Why didn’t he send his son first to make ascendants from him.
2. Whether “Sathan” was here before the creation of the world or God created Satan?
3.Why satan got as much power as god and are they twins?
4.Bible is ofcourse one of the widely distributed “Pamphlet” free of cost. What is the sales per year? “Zero”???
5. If you stop printing and distributing this from Vatican. I assure you, there won’t be anybody to buy that in 10 years from now. Because it doesn’t carry any content. No rationality other than “God said, God said”.
6. What is your bibile says about much older books called “Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, Abhidhamma Sutta etc”? When your ancestors were making fire from stones, Indian were studying about the size of Mars and its characteristics.But, they failed in one front of making a “Thugs’ army” to counter the attacks of “Uncivilised people”.
7.Why your bible talking about one cause for all(In think including Satan). and not even mentioning about multiple causes for this world?
8. What are all the other books you read other than bible?
9.Why the maximum “Psychic” cases are being reported from Christian countries? While other countries which follows and got much better medical facilities got far less such cases which follows other religions?
10. Christ asked to love the neighbour. Have you got any idea why he said so? what if we go at night and kill him? Leave hell and heaven(As I know nobody came from hell/heaven to tell their experience till now. What is the implication in mind, society and evolution of the subtle reactivity? Is your bible capable to answer these?
11. Last question? Actually What is bible? HA HA HA.
Lisa, I sympathise with your myopic view about the world, god and miracles. Don’t waste your life. Come and meet me in India. I will tell what is what and what is not. I know, I have used a bit of insulting language. I am sorry, some times “Insult” works as a motivation to some to open the inner eyes and see all around. If this experiment also fails, I don’t know in what horrible “Hypnotised” condition you are in? and how to save you. Anyway, love to you and will pray for you.
With a lot of compassion,
Rajeev
March 13, 2007 at 1:17 am
Now it is fun. Few question about your god.
1. Is this world created by God? When did he make the first human being and when did he send his son to earth? How many years difference were there? Why didn’t he send his son first to make ascendants from him.
God is the creator of all people, the world, the universe, and everything seen and unseen. This is based on various Bible passages, including the Bible’s book of Genesis.
I cannot tell you exactly when God created Adam and Eve. But, Abraham lived around 2100 BC (4100 years ago) in what is now Iraq.
About 5 BC (2005 years ago) Jesus is born in Bethlehem
The troubles of the universe originated among the celestials, among the angels, long before man was created. Humanity was an entirely separate creation, made in the image and likeness of God to be the form in which God’s own Son could come to give up His life for the universe, and remedy what had gone wrong in that higher sphere.
2. Whether “Sathan” was here before the creation of the world or God created Satan?
Satan and his evil angels had been sinning for very long time, before Adam and Eve were created.
3.Why satan got as much power as god and are they twins?
God is the Author of life, not death. He created Lucifer. Lucifer became Satan by his own rebellion (see Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28). He then instigated the rebellion of one-third of the angels who became demons (see Revelation 12). God created Adam who rebelled by sinning and led a parade of fallen humanity. Sin in the world is the result of God’s creation rebelling against Him. The Lord, however, remains both all powerful and completely good (see Jude 25: Exodus 34:6). Therefore, at any time, He could choose to say, “Enough is enough” and put a stop to all the activities of Satan as well as to all the activities of us sinful people–and one day He will. Until that Second Coming of Christ, however, we face the harsh reality that incredible evil and suffering abound in our world.
4.Bible is ofcourse one of the widely distributed “Pamphlet” free of cost. What is the sales per year? “Zero”???
Don’t you think someone had to pay for the cost of the Bible or it’s pamphlet to distribute it free? It is not about profit my dear friend.
5. If you stop printing and distributing this from Vatican. I assure you, there won’t be anybody to buy that in 10 years from now. Because it doesn’t carry any content. No rationality other than “God said, God said”.
6. What is your bibile says about much older books called “Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, Abhidhamma Sutta etc”? When your ancestors were making fire from stones, Indian were studying about the size of Mars and its characteristics.But, they failed in one front of making a “Thugs’ army” to counter the attacks of “Uncivilised people”.
My Bible says, Jesus is the Son of God, that He is one with God, and that He was sent here for our salvation. In John 10:30.
Lol about my ancestors. Dude, even though I am the 3rd generation here in the US, I am an Indian Origin. Otherwise why would I come and read about Indian news in The Great Indian Mutiny?
7.Why your bible talking about one cause for all(In think including Satan). and not even mentioning about multiple causes for this world?
Read the answer to your question #11.
8. What are all the other books you read other than bible?
Novels (drama, fiction comedy and thriller), Discover Magazine (Science, Technology and the Future), National Geography, I love to watch Food Network.
9.Why the maximum “Psychic” cases are being reported from Christian countries? While other countries which follows and got much better medical facilities got far less such cases which follows other religions?
I don’t understand the above question Rajeev.
10. Christ asked to love the neighbour. Have you got any idea why he said so? what if we go at night and kill him? Leave hell and heaven(As I know nobody came from hell/heaven to tell their experience till now. What is the implication in mind, society and evolution of the subtle reactivity? Is your bible capable to answer these?
1st part of the question, Love thy neighbor was, in part, Jesus’ answer when the Pharisees, the chief religious sect of that day, asked Him about the greatest commandment in the Law (See Matthew 22:36-40). These religious leaders had made almost an art form of classifying all the various laws and giving them relative degrees of importance, so in asking Jesus this question, their aim was to test Him. His answer stunned them: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Jesus was summing up all the law in these two statements. If we love the Lord God with all our heart, soul and mind, loving our neighbor is the natural result.
2nd part of the question, Are you really asking me a question or saying some mumbo jumbo?
11. Last question? Actually What is bible? HA HA HA.
The Bible is the account of God’s action in the world and his purpose with all creation. The writing of the Bible took place over sixteen centuries and is the work of over forty human authors. It is a quite amazing collection of 66 books with very different styles all containing the message God desired us to have.
This compilation of booklets contains an astonishing variety of literary styles. It provides many stories about the lives of good and bad people, about battles and journeys, about the life of Jesus along with letters written to groups of Christians that met in homes. It comes to us in narratives and dialogues, in proverbs and parables, in songs and allegories, in history and prophecy.
The accounts in the Bible were not generally written down as they occurred. Rather they were told over and over again and handed down through the years before someone finally wrote them down. Yet the same themes may be found throughout the book.
So along with the diversity there is also a remarkable unity. So what is the Bible? Well, in addition to all the above, the Bible is this:
•It is a guide for living life to the full. It gives us a road map for the perilous journey of life. Or to put it another way, on our voyage through life’s ocean, we find our anchor right here.
•It is a storehouse of wonderful stories for children and grownups. Remember Noah and the ark? Joseph’s coat of many colors? Daniel in the lion’s den? Jonah and the fish? The parables of Jesus? In these stories we recognize the triumphs and failures of ordinary people – and we may even see ourselves!
•It is a refuge in trouble. People in pain, in suffering, in prison, in mourning, tell how they turned to the Bible and found strength there in their desperate hours.
•It is a treasury of insight as to who we are. We are not meaningless robots, but we are magnificent creatures of a God who loves us and gives us a purpose and a destiny.
•It is a sourcebook for everyday living. We find standards for our conduct, guidelines for knowing right from wrong, principles to help us in a confused society where so often “anything goes.”
And finally, thanks for your prayers. If you want to know more about the Bible, email me at mathewlisa@yahoo.com
March 13, 2007 at 1:18 am
Now it is fun. Few question about your god.
1. Is this world created by God? When did he make the first human being and when did he send his son to earth? How many years difference were there? Why didn’t he send his son first to make ascendants from him.
God is the creator of all people, the world, the universe, and everything seen and unseen. This is based on various Bible passages, including the Bible’s book of Genesis.
I cannot tell you exactly when God created Adam and Eve. But, Abraham lived around 2100 BC (4100 years ago) in what is now Iraq.
About 5 BC (2005 years ago) Jesus is born in Bethlehem
The troubles of the universe originated among the celestials, among the angels, long before man was created. Humanity was an entirely separate creation, made in the image and likeness of God to be the form in which God’s own Son could come to give up His life for the universe, and remedy what had gone wrong in that higher sphere.
2. Whether “Sathan” was here before the creation of the world or God created Satan?
Satan and his evil angels had been sinning for very long time, before Adam and Eve were created.
3.Why satan got as much power as god and are they twins?
God is the Author of life, not death. He created Lucifer. Lucifer became Satan by his own rebellion (see Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28). He then instigated the rebellion of one-third of the angels who became demons (see Revelation 12). God created Adam who rebelled by sinning and led a parade of fallen humanity. Sin in the world is the result of God’s creation rebelling against Him. The Lord, however, remains both all powerful and completely good (see Jude 25: Exodus 34:6). Therefore, at any time, He could choose to say, “Enough is enough” and put a stop to all the activities of Satan as well as to all the activities of us sinful people–and one day He will. Until that Second Coming of Christ, however, we face the harsh reality that incredible evil and suffering abound in our world.
4.Bible is ofcourse one of the widely distributed “Pamphlet” free of cost. What is the sales per year? “Zero”???
Don’t you think someone had to pay for the cost of the Bible or it’s pamphlet to distribute it free? It is not about profit my dear friend.
5. If you stop printing and distributing this from Vatican. I assure you, there won’t be anybody to buy that in 10 years from now. Because it doesn’t carry any content. No rationality other than “God said, God said”.
6. What is your bibile says about much older books called “Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, Abhidhamma Sutta etc”? When your ancestors were making fire from stones, Indian were studying about the size of Mars and its characteristics.But, they failed in one front of making a “Thugs’ army” to counter the attacks of “Uncivilised people”.
My Bible says, Jesus is the Son of God, that He is one with God, and that He was sent here for our salvation. In John 10:30.
Lol about my ancestors. Dude, even though I am the 3rd generation here in the US, I am an Indian Origin. Otherwise why would I come and read about Indian news in The Great Indian Mutiny?
7.Why your bible talking about one cause for all(In think including Satan). and not even mentioning about multiple causes for this world?
Read the answer to your question #11.
8. What are all the other books you read other than bible?
Novels (drama, fiction comedy and thriller), Discover Magazine (Science, Technology and the Future), National Geography, I love to watch Food Network.
9.Why the maximum “Psychic” cases are being reported from Christian countries? While other countries which follows and got much better medical facilities got far less such cases which follows other religions?
I don’t understand the above question Rajeev.
10. Christ asked to love the neighbour. Have you got any idea why he said so? what if we go at night and kill him? Leave hell and heaven(As I know nobody came from hell/heaven to tell their experience till now. What is the implication in mind, society and evolution of the subtle reactivity? Is your bible capable to answer these?
1st part of the question, Love thy neighbor was, in part, Jesus’ answer when the Pharisees, the chief religious sect of that day, asked Him about the greatest commandment in the Law (See Matthew 22:36-40). These religious leaders had made almost an art form of classifying all the various laws and giving them relative degrees of importance, so in asking Jesus this question, their aim was to test Him. His answer stunned them: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Jesus was summing up all the law in these two statements. If we love the Lord God with all our heart, soul and mind, loving our neighbor is the natural result.
2nd part of the question, Are you really asking me a question or saying some mumbo jumbo?
11. Last question? Actually What is bible? HA HA HA.
The Bible is the account of God’s action in the world and his purpose with all creation. The writing of the Bible took place over sixteen centuries and is the work of over forty human authors. It is a quite amazing collection of 66 books with very different styles all containing the message God desired us to have.
This compilation of booklets contains an astonishing variety of literary styles. It provides many stories about the lives of good and bad people, about battles and journeys, about the life of Jesus along with letters written to groups of Christians that met in homes. It comes to us in narratives and dialogues, in proverbs and parables, in songs and allegories, in history and prophecy.
The accounts in the Bible were not generally written down as they occurred. Rather they were told over and over again and handed down through the years before someone finally wrote them down. Yet the same themes may be found throughout the book.
So along with the diversity there is also a remarkable unity. So what is the Bible? Well, in addition to all the above, the Bible is this:
•It is a guide for living life to the full. It gives us a road map for the perilous journey of life. Or to put it another way, on our voyage through life’s ocean, we find our anchor right here.
•It is a storehouse of wonderful stories for children and grownups. Remember Noah and the ark? Joseph’s coat of many colors? Daniel in the lion’s den? Jonah and the fish? The parables of Jesus? In these stories we recognize the triumphs and failures of ordinary people – and we may even see ourselves!
•It is a refuge in trouble. People in pain, in suffering, in prison, in mourning, tell how they turned to the Bible and found strength there in their desperate hours.
•It is a treasury of insight as to who we are. We are not meaningless robots, but we are magnificent creatures of a God who loves us and gives us a purpose and a destiny.
•It is a sourcebook for everyday living. We find standards for our conduct, guidelines for knowing right from wrong, principles to help us in a confused society where so often “anything goes.”
And finally, thanks for your prayers. If you want to know more about Bible, please email me at mathewlisa@yahoo.com
March 13, 2007 at 9:21 am
I came across this article by renowned journalist Francois Gautier, who spent some time researching ” Atrocities perpetuated on Christians”.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_persecution_in_india.htm
I also read an expose by Tehelka magazine which talks of a grandiose scheme by the Christian right to convert the “heathen” indian masses and “deliver” them to Jesus.
If you were to look at this from a business plan standpoint, its brilliant! Divide India into zip codes (data available from any post office), assign each zip code to an Area Manager/”Pastor” with yearly conversion/”salvation” targets. They even ran a trial run, where a jornalist wrote to these U.S based ministries asking for some information on Christianity. He was immediately contacted by someone who lived,less than a km from him in India. This model would beat any Harvard business plan, hands down!
Statistically,converts come from exploited sections of society.i.e lower income groups, politically deprived communities etc (I can’t think of any reason a Brahmin would convert, unless compelling circumstances were present. eg – Tipu Sultan’s sword – N Kerala Islamic conversions).
Since there is no shortage of that critical mass in India, I won’t be surprised if the Christian population doubles in the next 10 years.
March 13, 2007 at 9:46 am
Lisa,
With all due respect, I am afraid you have tied yourself up in a contradiction of sorts.
I am sure the Bible would want you to obey the laws of the land. Yet, in post 202 have stated that there IS a Ministry in Saudi Arabia.
This brings us to a v. key point of inflection-
a) It IS an active ministry – The Islamic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia explicitly forbids any non-Islamic religious activities,in any guise. Unlike India, they are not exactly a poor nation, and therefore a ministries activities cannot be disguised as “aid”. So, technically you are breaking the law.
b) It IS NOT an active ministry – In that case, I see this as a very selective application of the Bible and its teachings, which explicitly states that there is only one god, Jesus Christ.
Are you actually telling me that the faithful are walking around the streets of Riyadh/Jeddah handing out Bibles to eager Arabs..hhmm..v brave, indeed.
I am not standing up for any form of organised religion. Every form of religion I have seen, has its weaknesses, which should be debated.
Respectfully,
Sofoclese
March 13, 2007 at 11:21 am
RSS is Worl’d largest Terrorist Organization
What makes one or an organization terrorist?
American Heritage Dictionary: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Does the Sanghparivar have any or all of these qualities in its work to make it not to declare it as the world’s largest terrorist organization?
An American research centre has placed our ultra-nationalist Rashtrya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS) on its terrorist list. The East Virginia-based Terrorism Research Center (TRC) is closely connected to the American government and many of its directors and researchers have closely worked with US administrations and have taken part in research and planning for the US administration.
In the list of Terrorist Organizations in India, the TRC has placed RSS under no. 21. Here is the link as it appeared on 9 September 2004 on the group?s website under the caption “Known Terrorist Groups Operating in India”.
http://www.terrorism.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Countries&file=index&view=113
March 13, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Dear Lisa sister,
Now it is fun. Few question about your god.
My question: 1. Is this world created by God? When did he make the first human being and when did he send his son to earth? How many years difference were there? Why didn’t he send his son first to make ascendants from him.
Your answer: God is the creator of all people, the world, the universe, and everything seen and unseen. This is based on various Bible passages, including the Bible’s book of Genesis.
I cannot tell you exactly when God created Adam and Eve. But, Abraham lived around 2100 BC (4100 years ago) in what is now Iraq.
About 5 BC (2005 years ago) Jesus is born in Bethlehem
The troubles of the universe originated among the celestials, among the angels, long before man was created. Humanity was an entirely separate creation, made in the image and likeness of God to be the form in which God’s own Son could come to give up His life for the universe, and remedy what had gone wrong in that higher sphere.
My explanation: Lisa, My dear sister, do you think I will take an argument as true because it is mentioned in “Bible”? or it is in its genesis? If you are able to say clearly about the birth of “Jesus” by quoting bible, why you are not able to say about many other things starting from the birth of Adam and Eve, Computer, Bandwidth, Medicine for AIDS etc etc. Why bible didn’t mention all those things. Why Christ has to come for a second time? Why didn’t he comleted his job first time itself?
If god created this all, he must be aware about the celestial problems as well. Why he didn’t avoid all those? Why he created man incomplete? Why did he create first of all? Is he so interested to see dramas here? Has he created Man only on earth? Or he has such creations in other earths also? After seeing this “suffering” drama and also by sending his son to suffer? Then removing all sin creating again, man sins, son comes, removes….haha what a fun? Gods must be crazy.
My question 2. Whether “Sathan” was here before the creation of the world or God created Satan?
Your answer 2: Satan and his evil angels had been sinning for very long time, before Adam and Eve were created.
My explanation 2: WHY? Why god is not bothered to reduce the sin of Satan but waging war against him? Why god is not asking to love and look at Satan with Sympathy? God wants a Villain so that viewers will be happy? Why god is bothered about only his human creation? Before that he would have corrected Satan. Next time when I see god, I will ask him to do that first.
My question 3.Why satan got as much power as god and are they twins?
Your answer 3:God is the Author of life, not death. He created Lucifer. Lucifer became Satan by his own rebellion (see Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28). He then instigated the rebellion of one-third of the angels who became demons (see Revelation 12). God created Adam who rebelled by sinning and led a parade of fallen humanity. Sin in the world is the result of God’s creation rebelling against Him. The Lord, however, remains both all powerful and completely good (see Jude 25: Exodus 34:6). Therefore, at any time, He could choose to say, “Enough is enough” and put a stop to all the activities of Satan as well as to all the activities of us sinful people–and one day He will. Until that Second Coming of Christ, however, we face the harsh reality that incredible evil and suffering abound in our world.
My explanation 3: So, god was not aware that Lucifer will become Satan? So god doesn’t know what is going to happen in the future? So how can god be all knowing? If by knowing that Lucifer is going to become Satan then
1. By creating Satan and making all of us to suffer, god should be hanged to death.
2. If he was unaware about this evolution of Lucifer to Satan, then god is not that powerful. He doesn’t know what is going to happen next.
My question 4.Bible is ofcourse one of the widely distributed “Pamphlet” free of cost. What is the sales per year? “Zero”???
Your answer 4: Don’t you think someone had to pay for the cost of the Bible or it’s pamphlet to distribute it free? It is not about profit my dear friend.
My explanation 4: If bible cannot arouse the interest in Human Being, then it is a failed book. The interest need not have to be sensual, It can be scientific, philosophical or ethical or political etc. There is a market for everything. If the above book doesn’t satisfy any of the above, then obviously there won’t be any buyers my dear sister.
My question 5: If you stop printing and distributing this from Vatican. I assure you, there won’t be anybody to buy that in 10 years from now. Because it doesn’t carry any content. No rationality other than “God said, God said”.
6. What is your bibile says about much older books called “Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, Abhidhamma Sutta etc”? When your ancestors were making fire from stones, Indian were studying about the size of Mars and its characteristics.But, they failed in one front of making a “Thugs’ army” to counter the attacks of “Uncivilised people”.
Your answer 5&6:My Bible says, Jesus is the Son of God, that He is one with God, and that He was sent here for our salvation. In John 10:30.
Lol about my ancestors. Dude, even though I am the 3rd generation here in the US, I am an Indian Origin. Otherwise why would I come and read about Indian news in The Great Indian Mutiny?
My explanation 5&6: You didn’t answer not even by quoting your favourite bible. Bible is not talking about any other civilisation and it failed to understand people of other countries and dultures. OK, you are like Chacko, who says from India, and wants to see Cross on the top of RedFort? Is nothing but a traitor who fails to accept other culture and civilisation. This world requires all even “Adivasis/tribals” and their culture. Give them food and shelter if require, a good action. But, changing them to wear suit and coat, making a huge concrete church in the middle of the Forest, cutting off all medicinal shrubs, making roads which carries bible to them in the name of civilisation? I pity my sister. In kerala, Christians encroched all the forest and hilly area in the name of cultivation, ruined the culture of Tribals. Got all that land made in their name. Made tribals to runaway from there. Built huge Churches. You call it civilising? I call it greed. If Bible says to do so, no wonder, Hindus now trying to undo that violently. Eventhough I do not support that, I request you and your poisonous agenda to stop.
My question 7:Why your bible talking about one cause for all(I think including Satan). and not even mentioning about multiple causes for this world?
your answer 7: Read the answer to your question #11.
my explanation 7:Read my explanation to at question #11
My question 8: What are all the other books you read other than bible?
Your answer 8:Novels (drama, fiction comedy and thriller), Discover Magazine (Science, Technology and the Future), National Geography, I love to watch Food Network.
My questions 8: Have you read Qran? Bhagavatgita? Rigveda? Ashtavakropanishad? Abhidhamma Sutta? Pragnaparamita Sutta? Gurugrantha Sahib?
My question 9:Why the maximum “Psychic” cases are being reported from Christian countries? While other countries which follows and got much better medical facilities got far less such cases which follows other religions?
Your answer 9: I don’t understand the above question Rajeev.
My explanation 9: Maximum psychological disorders are being reported from so called developed American and European countries (even poor christian countries also). Those developed countries at Middle East, Japan, South Korea or other rich countries with different religious belief doesn’t have those many psychiatric problems. WHY? IS YOUR BIBLE GOT ANY ANSWER?
My question 10. Christ asked to love the neighbour. Have you got any idea why he said so? what if we go at night and kill him? Leave hell and heaven(As I know nobody came from hell/heaven to tell their experience till now. What is the implication in mind, society and evolution of the subtle reactivity? Is your bible capable to answer these?
Your answer 10: 1st part of the question, Love thy neighbor was, in part, Jesus’ answer when the Pharisees, the chief religious sect of that day, asked Him about the greatest commandment in the Law (See Matthew 22:36-40). These religious leaders had made almost an art form of classifying all the various laws and giving them relative degrees of importance, so in asking Jesus this question, their aim was to test Him. His answer stunned them: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Jesus was summing up all the law in these two statements. If we love the Lord God with all our heart, soul and mind, loving our neighbor is the natural result.
My explanation 10: Dear Sister, you failed even in understanding the reason behind that. How can one say to a society, which doesn’t want to accept Christ as a saviour to love your neighbour that is the actual love to your saviour???? All absurd. If he tells this only for his “Fans” then where is the relevance for those who is under the influence of “Satan”?. Christ told that for a different “mental therapeutic” effect. But, bible couldn’t capture even a part of it. That is the reason I say, Keep away the bible to see the actual greatness of “Christ”.
Your answer 10 Part 2: 2nd part of the question, Are you really asking me a question or saying some mumbo jumbo?
My answer 10 Part 2:Hope now my above argument appears with sense and not mumbo jumbo.
My question 11. Last question? Actually What is bible? HA HA HA.
Your answer 11: The Bible is the account of God’s action in the world and his purpose with all creation. The writing of the Bible took place over sixteen centuries and is the work of over forty human authors. It is a quite amazing collection of 66 books with very different styles all containing the message God desired us to have.
This compilation of booklets contains an astonishing variety of literary styles. It provides many stories about the lives of good and bad people, about battles and journeys, about the life of Jesus along with letters written to groups of Christians that met in homes. It comes to us in narratives and dialogues, in proverbs and parables, in songs and allegories, in history and prophecy.
The accounts in the Bible were not generally written down as they occurred. Rather they were told over and over again and handed down through the years before someone finally wrote them down. Yet the same themes may be found throughout the book.
So along with the diversity there is also a remarkable unity. So what is the Bible? Well, in addition to all the above, the Bible is this:
•It is a guide for living life to the full. It gives us a road map for the perilous journey of life. Or to put it another way, on our voyage through life’s ocean, we find our anchor right here.
•It is a storehouse of wonderful stories for children and grownups. Remember Noah and the ark? Joseph’s coat of many colors? Daniel in the lion’s den? Jonah and the fish? The parables of Jesus? In these stories we recognize the triumphs and failures of ordinary people – and we may even see ourselves!
•It is a refuge in trouble. People in pain, in suffering, in prison, in mourning, tell how they turned to the Bible and found strength there in their desperate hours.
•It is a treasury of insight as to who we are. We are not meaningless robots, but we are magnificent creatures of a God who loves us and gives us a purpose and a destiny.
•It is a sourcebook for everyday living. We find standards for our conduct, guidelines for knowing right from wrong, principles to help us in a confused society where so often “anything goes.”
And finally, thanks for your prayers. If you want to know more about Bible, please email me at mathewlisa@yahoo.com
My explanation 11: Jataka stories are better than the above stories. Why god created bad in first place to talk about bad. I don’t see only those read the bible lived their life fully. “Gandhiji”, “Hitler”, Karl Marx, and all those died lived their life fully before dying. Do not sing “Life’s ocean” and things like that. Ocean is different and life is different. Life is just a period between birth and death. Bible blinds the people like you to see the life as it is. It is a trouble by itself. “God” doesn’t exist as you think to save. If it was the case, he would have done that long back. He would not have left us to suffer like this. If he checks the quality of his own creation, then he is a saddist.
Keep the bible away, live the life fully. Love christ but not as a god’s son. But, a human being grown better than the people of that time. If you do not see the world without being tinted by the “red covered” book, your life will go futile.
With a lot of compassion,
Rajeev
March 14, 2007 at 12:51 am
Dont waste your time Rajeev. Lisa or the alias that someone has taken is brain dead, living ghost of a persohn. You might as well take a hammer and beat your brain to pulp. These people are well programmed puppets of their demented belief system which they call church. They dont deserve any words of wisdom or rationale. It’s a cult and you cannot change a cult. What else can you expect from people(educated surprisingly)who promote creationism over evolution and are perpetrators of misinformation that world was created in 6 days, world is 6000 years old,blah blah blah. They never know when to draw a line. Zealots,Bigots,maniacs are some words which describe lisa and her creed.Gosh,look at the insanity oozing from her writing. Anyways i am out of here.
March 14, 2007 at 3:35 am
Rajeev, you have the right to believe that God doesn’t exist. But me, Lisa Mathew pledge allegiance to the Christian flag and to the Savior, for whose Kingdom it stands, one Savior, crucified, risen, and coming again, with life and liberty for all who believe.
Many Christians made comments in this section and none of them mocked your religion or called any of you names. But you and many did mock the Bible and the Christian people. That is the difference between me (Christian) and you brother Rajeev.
One more thing, as far as evolution goes, the probability of a living cell spontaneously evolving by random chance from its component parts is so astronomically small that it could not possibly happen.
March 14, 2007 at 4:46 am
Lisa had you said the simple satements that you finally said, it would have saved zillion keystrokes.
Every one has right to believe and profess but not by ways adopted by the church.You live in a civilized world and should learn to coexist with others in an amicable social setup. Christians are responsible for misrepresenting their faith by resorting to unwarranted means for proselytization. Remember for you,your bible might be the start and end of your fantasy world. For others it could extremely irritable to hear regurgitation from source which one does not find credible to even the smallest extent.And yes finaly your not calling names or mocking just not provide any shred of evidence of your nobility or intellect.So there it is.
March 14, 2007 at 11:55 am
The South Asian subcontinent has a long and bloody religious history, and tensions run incredibly deep—and are imported to other continents through the diaspora.
The rise of Hindutva has given contemporary Hinduism two significant and pernicious strains:
The posturing of victimhood, and the notion that fundamentalism is resistance against the forces that would destroy Hindus.
These strains have fueled and justified the pogroms against religious minorities in India, and has also led to severe social conservatism that affects women, children and sexual minorities overwhelmingly.
There is fear of conversion among some people although it is also unclear how widespread this is or how widespread is any kind of pressure for conversion.
That fear exists is borne out by the following anecdote which may seem a bit strange to some but is nonetheless true.
A couple of years ago at University I spent a whole semester attending Islamic Society meetings just to broaden my outlook as I saw it. A Hindu freind was quite concerned warning me of the following
Muslims will try to convert me
Muslims practice black magic he had seen it for himself
they may use this magic to convert me by putting something in my drink
There was not even any whiff of trying to convert me when I went to the meetings. The Muslim students were friendly and just curious.
If someone offered me some money to change religion I’d happily accept. From a non-believer in one religion to a non-believer in another. nice little earner.
March 14, 2007 at 1:25 pm
Lisa Mathew Says:
March 14th, 2007 at 3:35 am
Lisa: Rajeev, you have the right to believe that God doesn’t exist.
Rajeev: Thank you. I thought I don’t have any right.
Lisa:But me, Lisa Mathew pledge allegiance to the Christian flag and to the Savior, for whose Kingdom it stands, one Savior, crucified, risen, and coming again, with life and liberty for all who believe.
Rajeev: Yes, the kingdom is coming not of Christ, but, of “Bush” with the support of “Pope”. It is liberty for those colonialists who again wanted to capture the wealth all over the world, make the poor to run for a cover. Throw bible all around to make a “Culture” impotent to respond.
Lisa: Many Christians made comments in this section and none of them mocked your religion or called any of you names. But you and many did mock the Bible and the Christian people. That is the difference between me (Christian) and you brother Rajeev.
Rajeev: I already told, I do not belong to any religion. I believe more towards “Buddhist” philosophy. That is the reason I understood “Christ” more than Christians. I never insulted christ. I made mockery of YOU who claim to be a christian, thinks spreading your religion and colonial belief is noble. Christ will never support this idea if he has not been “Crucified” by Christians. I admired Paul(a true christ follower). Living with all kind of people, respecting their belief are “In-built” in a true Indian. “Christians” acts on behalf of Vatican is not a “True Indian” who only thinks of converting others than co-existing with other beings. I did “Insulting” at the end when nothing else was working with you. Dear sister, to a sister, a brother can do that right??
Lisa: One more thing, as far as evolution goes, the probability of a living cell spontaneously evolving by random chance from its component parts is so astronomically small that it could not possibly happen.
Rajeev: Lisa, the above sentence calls for a wider discussion. But, quickly, Evolution is never spontaneous. It is not something suddenly changes to something else. Good begnning at least to come for an argument outside bible. Please take this up further than talking about “What christ told and didn’t tell” by taking examples from bible(an out dated pamphlet. Let us discuss “Quantum Mechanics”, at length. Leave the Vatican agenda aside. We can co-exist without changing our belief….isn’t it?
With a lot of compassion,
Rajeev
March 14, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Beating up, burning, killing and looting members of other communities simply has no justification in the spiritual handbook of Hinduism. Employing these tactics by Hindutva terrorists in the name of God or religion is tantamount to betraying Indian values.
I passionately believe that none of the ideas can be imposed upon anyone; they have to be allowed to happen by themselves. You cannot force people to change. You cannot manipulate changes of heart or mind. You cannot insist that Muslims and Christians accept the Hindu heritage. You cannot insist that they stop conversions. You cannot make them pay for what happened hundreds of years ago. Of course, you can try, as Narendra Modi and his band did in Gujarat. But have they succeeded?
They may have cowed down the minorities for the moment, but if there is anything calculated to alienate them, these recent riots are it. Is anyone likely to buy the concept of Hinduism after seeing its self-styled representatives (Sangh Parivar) at work? If the situation gets worse, the Christians and the Muslims may close ranks and keep a low profile or even be smoked out of the country, but as for opening their minds to Hinduism, not a snowball’s chance in hell. Like a bully or a dictator at work, the majority community can force compliance, but it can never win an allegiance to its values.
The votaries of Hindutva are therefore traitors to the very concept of Hinduism for the heart of its approach and the reason for its longevity is a limpid acceptance of all that is. Its fabled tolerance for differing ideas and religions is what has given it its syncretism.
One should try to transform not by torment, torture, murder and rape, but by love, compassion and a commitment for the welfare of the other. Is there anything even remotely approaching these qualities within the Hindutva terrorists?
Despite the presence of all the sadhus and sants (sages), the pujas and shilanyas (religious rituals), there is nothing even remotely Hindu or spiritual about the Hindutva movement.
I would listen to Vedic chants, revere the Vedas, etc., but no, I am not for Hindutva.
March 14, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Rajeev, I do live with lots of different religion/ethnic groups around me. Matter of fact, the company that I work for is like an International community. I only stated what I believe and answering your questions accordingly. That doesn’t make me a person who is forcing my religion on you or anyone else. All I said was as a Christian you are suppose to tell other people about Gospel but it is YOU who have to make the decision to follow or not. I will never ever support anyone converting people by force or money. When you said things like Bible failed etc., I simply told you otherwise (of course with proof) and I know it irritated the hell out of you (lol).
God bless you brother Rajeev.
March 15, 2007 at 10:32 am
Dear Lisa, We are all basically “compassionate”. Religion, philosophy, agenda imposed by cults or groups makes us blind and thinks others are not cultured and requires a Change of Religion and practice. The right way is to leave them for their evolution and taking care of our protection and helping the needy without any selfish motive of conversion, getting merit for this life or coming life or a place in heaven but as a duty since we are born with many facilities which is lacking to 90% of the world’s population. Raise the voice whenever we see “Killing Innocents” in whatever names. Understand the human life as a suffering. I don’t think any human will be interested to see a crying woman by sitting beside a deadbody of her child whether she is wearing “Burqua” or some other dress. But, when we see us as Muslim, Hindu or Christian, we loose that ability to see the pain. Some of us feel happy when people of other religion is in pain. If given a chance, I wanted to demolish all the mosques, churches, temples and put the images of gods in fire. Worship “Love and affection” all wisdom will be revealed by itself. That is the highest point of Spirituality. Not reading out passages from some books to calim mine is good and yours is bad. I had pain when I saw WTC got attacked, Mumabi Train blast, Tsunami problems. I have pain when I see people getting killed in Iraq, Afghanistan or else where. Let “Christ’s teaching emerge and his selfless love be visible to all” not “Pope”, Bible, Christian agenda, or Geroge Bush or the agenda derived out of their action and writing. I take a break “Let us pledge to protect all Animals, Birds, Tribals or poor etc without making them to loose their identity.Let them evolve by themself. Do not change anybody forcefully or taking the advantage of the situation. Which is cruel, calling for others also to take a stand and fight. WHY??, give a break to god as well. Let us be totally responsible for our action. Bye to all.
With a lot of compassion,
Rajeev
March 15, 2007 at 4:20 pm
well, non believer that is non Christians, hindoos may be 666 are in india, are very much affraid and in fear that, 2.6% Christian and Missioneries will cover the country and boot them out and put Jesus Christ Cross on the balcony of Red fort. How stupid the are. They should think and remember, very fortunitely Christians were arrived in India and did all good and taught civic manner and stablished educational Institutions, so people can talk and have gentle dress,otherwise they were all illitarate & naked earlier.
They should respect Christianity and protect the Bible.
March 15, 2007 at 8:33 pm
First and foremost Mr neo convert Ghosh, 2.6 % xian, you make me cringe in pain. If it were that i would be happy but sad fact is that the parsites are more than that. These 2.6% plus parasites can go out of india and we would take care of the nakedness and illiteracy.As far as respecting and protecting your fantasy world, we dont care a crap chute about you and your bible.You wrote crap and you would get crap flung all over your face and even more.Learn to talk sense and hear sense.
March 16, 2007 at 2:23 pm
The evil practice of casteism has come to dominate hinduism for so many centuries. It is mainly because of the evil urge in man to feel superior to his own brother. This kind of urge comes due to social insecurity.
Social insecurity is borne out of spiritual hollowness. Hinduism has failed to meet the spiritual needs of India. Just look at the case of Kerala. Casteism is rampant. Hindus live by the “grace” of astrologers and tantrics. It is going back to the mental asylum that Swami Vivekananda once saw. Movies try to potray as if only one caste (nair) lives in kerala. If a nair produces a movie he makes sure only nairs work in it. So is the case in the industry. If a nair gets a job he does his best to ensure that other castes do not work peacefully there. How can such a society make any progress ? Only one movement countered this – Sree Narayana movement. Even that is dying today. Today only casteism rules in kerala. God please save this land – God’s own country – from from getting transformed into a hell on earth.
March 16, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Mr.Chekavar,
Ironically it is the same ‘Casteism’ that made you learn the word secularism.Look at America or any rich European country;only a Christian can become the President or prime misnister!Is that the case with India?Think again.
Also,if you think casteism is bad,look around you.The diverse and the multi cultural vibrant India is a result of this Casteism only.If there was no Casteism in Hinduism,we would have been like the crsaders killing,raping,looting,colonising and destroying civilizations like the Europeans(read Christians).The same Nairs whom you blame are born Shudras but elevated to higher class just with their abilities(no reservations in the name of appeasement).don’t be childish to complain about movies and industry environments.I think you are another missionary brain-washed Hindu,like Mr.Ghosh of previous post.May God put some wisdom in your brains!
March 17, 2007 at 2:19 am
What kind of elevation to Nairs (from Brahminical Varnashrama Dharma)due to their own their own abilities? Without reservation and appeasement to Nairs? To whom you are trying to fool around? If you don’t know the history of the Shudra Nairs and their agitation against Brahmins, read it from here.
http://www.kerala.gov.in/history&culture/emergence.htm
http://www.keralahistory.ac.in/radicalpolitical.htm
Now, the so called “Elevated Nairs” become Brahmins of Kerala. Another Shudra class known as “Ezhavas” elevated to Semi Brahmin status. Dalits in Kerala are sidelined by upper caste bluff masters who is corrupted our social and civil life from bottom to the top.
http://www.countercurrents.org/communalism-sreekumar091004.htm
March 18, 2007 at 12:04 am
Mr. Unni,
It is amusing that a grown up like you can be tricked into thinking that men and women hating each other in the name of caste can create a “vibrant India”. Just think about it some more and you will see my point. Casteism is an evil inhuman practice. Period.
There is no casteism in China, Japan and many other asian countries. Communities(castes) are natural. But casteism is not. That is one caste hating or trying to oppress another is not natural. It is evil and it is this I call “casteism”.
March 18, 2007 at 12:23 am
Mr. Unni,
Mr. Unni,
Btw, I didn’t quite understand “same Nairs whom you blame are born Shudras”. I never made any remarks on the origins of the nair community. I think you don’t quite understand the meaning of words “brahmin”, “shudra” etc. Please read the teaching of some of the enlightened masters and you will know that one is shudra by his nature not by his birth.
March 18, 2007 at 8:52 am
Dear Friends/Mr.Chacko
Please visit the following link and hear Mrs Sasikala Teacher’s stirring speach.
[audio src="http://www.haindavakeralam.org/speach/speach1.mp3" /]
March 18, 2007 at 10:56 am
Achu Says:
March 18th, 2007 at 8:52 am
Dear Friends/Mr.Chacko
Please visit the following link and hear Mrs Sasikala Teacher’s stirring speach.A MUST HEAR SPEACH
[audio src="http://www.haindavakeralam.org/speach/speach1.mp3" /]
March 18, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Government of India has no money neither do they have expertise or inclination to help the needy, mostly a section of Hindu society
already abandoned by Brahmin crooks and left to fend for themselves in slums, sewers and jungles. It is the love of Christian missionaries that sustains these forgotten Hindus.
What do RSS teach in their shakhas to save these poor Hindus ? How to start a fire by rubbing two sticks? Or instruct their BOYS ONLY scouts how to tie a knot?
The UN has predicted, by 2010 India will have 20-25m cases of AIDS patients, the largest concentration of HIV patients in this planet earth.
RSS Khakhi brigade should start to wear condoms instead of all those fancy drill and leave the poor hindus to exercise their own freedom.
Christian charities, Churches, hospitals, schools, colleges, medical colleges,
social and non political institutions of international repute work hard to reach the poor of all faiths.
Christian charities are recognized by the
government of India under very strict scrutiny that involves rigid standards and constant supervision, bureaucratic dominance, graft ridden channels and plethora of rules and regulations.
If the conspiracy theory of Christian missionaries holds up in the court, I seriously doubt that, why can’t these losers sue the hell out of the Christian institutions of repute? They shall get adequate government backing and the problem would be solved legally and honorably.
March 18, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Mr.Chekavar
The very sentence which you made in your original post – “Hinduism has failed to meet the spiritual needs of India.” makes me laugh,especially in a scenario where the whole world looks upon India for spiritual guidance!Stripping ‘Ohm’ out of Yoga does not make it Western,for it is a Hindu spiritual technique for attaining the Supreme,regardless of caste & creed.Now Keralites going to astrologers could be due to their lack of knowledge in Hinduism.I don’t know whether such actions have got something to do with casteism,as I know that most of these traditional astrologers are from backward class.Christians in India too have started casteism,otherwise they wouldn’t have asked for reservations!Even marriages between traditional Christians & dalit Christians do not take place in Kerala.
If you don’t want to believe that India is multi-cultural or vibrant,it’s your problem.However,Iam definitely sure that it is not like Saudi Arabia ,or Europe where ‘tan’ is still a taboo(Poor Shilpa Shetty!Wondering which one is worse;Biblical racism or Hindu casteism!Let’s debate.)
Now let me try to find out this.How many times have you been subjected to casteism or oppression(at work?It could be jealousy,when you are too good at something)?Or,how many times have you subjected someone else to casteism?If your answer is many times,then Iam sure that you are one among those highly unlucky chaps or too annoying(say obnoxious) to be included in any group!If you had very bad ancestors who committed attrocities over poor people,or if there were some other bad people who committed attrocities on your forefathers,don’t blame our Hinduism or We Hindus for it.
China Japan,West do not have cast system.If it was the other way round,Iam sure all the progressive thinkers would have rallied for cast system!The problem with us is being Indian,I guess.Iam a doctor,so I married a doctor and I would want my kids to be doctors.Not sure Iam starting a ‘cast of doctors’ by myself!If so please forgive me for doing that heinous crime!
You are right,one is Shudra by his nature,not by birth.His thoughts and actions make him a brahman(meaning one who attains brahma).
-Thanks
March 18, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Mr. Unni,
I am not sure if the whole world knows much about the spiritual development of India. A spiritually developed person is honest, loving, compassionate about his fellow beings and knows or sincerely seeks God.
Now just look at the society around you. You will hardly find anybody who fits the above description. India is one of the most corrupt countries on earth. People here will do anything for money. Indian administration is one the most corrupt. One cannot start a business here as you have to pay bribe to hundreds of officers at different levels. Look at the politicians. They will do anything to stay in power. The movies stars will utter any filthy language or expose any of their special parts to make a movie a hit. Just look at the people working in your office. They make false bills(medical, travel etc.) every year to claim tax refunds or to get extra money they are not actually entitled to. So from the politician to the man sitting next to you in the office is downright corrupt.
So much for Indian spiritual “enlightenment” eh ? Perhaps you haven’t travelled that much. Just visit places like Japan, Singapore etc. and you will realize how different and “human” people are. How can corrupt, dishonest people be called spiritual ?
March 18, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Thanks Achu for the link!
Dear Chekavar,
I agree that “a spirituality enlightened person is honest, loving, compassionate about his fellow beings”,but does not necessarily seek GOD or his blessings,because the God himself descends to such a person!(Let’s leave the God alone-he himself is in deep trouble over many issues like fathering,traiting,dead-sea scrolls etc. etc.).
Your detailed list of wrong-doings ‘observed around is enchanting’.I understand you have been to many places,but have not worked closely with outsiders.Otherwise you wouldn’t have made such complaints on fake bills which is a common thing of employees all around the world.If there is a fund alloted for your well being, then there is nothing wrong in grabbing it.You are not going to hell because of that(Well,if you think it is wrong,please don’t do it).
Let’s try to find out why there is corruption in our society.Is it because of the religion one follows or due to some other socio-economic problems?Are the corrupt people only from Hinduism(you seem to be thinking so)?.I would suggest you to watch the movie ‘Gangs of New York.It’s no fairy tale-it’s the history of New York in the 1800s.You will come to know how corrupt the society was then!Iam sure we are also going to rectify our faults.May be we are born in the wrong time!
We know that most of the Afican nations have rich mineral resources, from Diamonds to Pertoleum,but the people are still in abject poverty and face corruption.
These are not caste based societies,infact Christian dominated.Africans are as able as any other human race!So what could be the reason for such a bad plight?Definitely not Hinduism!So stop pointing your fingers at Hinduism for everything that is going wrong in India.You are free to have your own perversions,but I do not want you to tarnish our religion with that.
-Thanks Unni
March 19, 2007 at 12:05 am
Xians like parmeshwar who do not have the balls to reveal their true identity would obviously speak for their bretherens.Yeah right, we sure should be thankful to these missionary zealots.Xians are expansionist who are driven by their misplaced zeal to spread their gospel no matter what levels they have to stoop to. Are you indian xians hinting that you actually are siding with these degenerates?If so then hindus would have to take a different stance on the whole situation.You think opening churches in places where you dont have even one xian soul,does not give your motive away.Hindus have been very accomodative.Eat this.Your demented workers distribute pamphlets in front of schools,our temples. We give you the freedom to do so.Dont think for one moment that the govt. grants you that right. No we grant you that right.If we take these distributions stick it up where the sun does’t shine, you can contest that in courts and best of luck with that.You should be more diplomatic.You know what the unwritten rule is : Dont mess with the majority.Chacko the whacko with his empty rhetorics about brotherhood and division seems to have forgotten the fact that people sense the underlying agenda held by him and the other xians.So give it a break. Your deception and bigotry is written on the walls throughtout the annals of history and you cannot change that.Well, you would if you could.Isn’t that what xianity is all about?Suppress sensibility and reasoning.
March 19, 2007 at 1:33 am
HaindavaKeralam’s saffron agenda is to systematically spreading hatred against religious minorities as a prelude to violence in left inclined Kerala. This website is part of their burgeoning hate industry. Citizens and activists need to be on a constant alert as regards hate speech and writing at these websites. Over the years it created a breed of self styled intellectuals like Rajeev Srinivasan as the Internet has no means of checking the credentials of “experts” and “intellectuals”.
Sections 153A and 153B, of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) oblige the state to prosecute those guilty of such hate crimes. The articles published or distributed on this website violate S.153-A, 153-B, 505(1) and (2) of the Indian Penal Code. Section 295 of the CrPC is also a section that can be invoked whenever there are deliberate attempts to disrupt communal harmony.
Kerala Police or their cyber wing don’t have the will to initiate any charges against such cyber crimes. In fact, http://www.haindavakeralam.org is the official web portal of Kerala’s Hindutva army. It is regularly updated by RSS media men who are on the payroll of Daily Pioneer, PTI, New Indian Express, Kaumudi, AsianetGlobal.COM, The Hindu and Times of India. It also publish interviews with RSS addicted civil servants of Kerala. It proves the expanded nature of RSS links with kerala civil service. Fearing litigation, Kerala RSS use a bogus spanish address for this website. Find it here.
http://www.pir.org/Search/WhoIsSearchResults.aspx?txtWhoIsSearch=haindavakeralam
Like IPC, Indian Cyber Laws are exclusively designed to harass poor and marginalized of the society.
http://www.naavi.org/importantlaws/itbill2000/index.htm
Read Anti Terrorism and Security Laws in India, A comprehensive study by New York City Bar Association
http://nycbar.org/pdf/ABCNY_India_Report.pdf
Remember, RSS is better known as Rumour Spreading Society!
March 19, 2007 at 8:06 am
Dear friends,
hope most of you have listened to Sassikala Teacher’s thought provoking speach in Malayalam.Those who who has’nt listened ,kindly do it now.You will get blunt answers for most of the points being debated in this blog.
Achu
Achu Says:
March 18th, 2007 at 8:52 am
Dear Friends/Mr.Chacko
Please visit the following link and hear Mrs Sasikala Teacher’s stirring speach.A MUST HEAR SPEACH
[audio src="http://www.haindavakeralam.org/speach/speach1.mp3" /]
March 19, 2007 at 12:11 pm
Hey Menachari,so you are in denial of the truth. Yeah right RSS is what you have understood and all the xian orgs are godsend. No body is spreading hatred.Dont try to blind people as usual. You are an xian and are in denial of your bretherens actions. Awareness is different from hatred. Yes awareness can lead to hatred. The awareness among hindus is sounding warning bells to a lot of xian establishment and that is why these dubious orgs are out to stifle speech under the false reason of hate mongering.Come on guy, give up your treachery and deception.Attack the root cause and root cause is not RSS, it is not the website, it is not the hindus who are resentful of the missionaries,but the demented moron missionaries and their supporters. Your denial and slandering of RSS does not make your case any stronger but only highlights your folly.haindavakeralam is an informative site for every hindu as it puts the spot light on the missionary zeal to decimate our religion. It is not a hatred spreading site but a informational site. It is not inciting hindus to rise up in arms against bigoted individuals,it is just tabling the facts much to the chagrin of the deceptive souls. If haindavakeralam is associated with RSS or VHP even better as it shows that hindus are coming together now and id not then probably it should be asociated. You cannot run amuck in our country and decimate our religion and culture.
March 19, 2007 at 12:21 pm
Aand if the xian ever took control of our country’s media, god help poor hindus.They would choke the life out of hindus.It is imperative that our media,our schools,our universities, our political setup remains outside the reach of these zealots.If history is any evidence we have seen the track record of xian once they reach a critical mass.I mean come on guys your pope speak is “harvest heathen soul”.I mean is this guy living in some dark ages or what? Have you guys heard of yeshu durbar?Yes it is a new experimentation of xian zealots of illiterates. Promises of miracle healing and mystical,magical cures. Yeah the last pope died of parkinsons and these people are out to deceive the poor and illiterates on promise of miracle cure.Some promise indeed
March 19, 2007 at 3:05 pm
Parameswar JesusJi,
We Hindus have no problem in donning condoms!Everyone knows well ‘who exactly is against Condoms & birth-controls’.Hope we have enough orphanages by the side of churches!You stop worrying about us.
RSS indeed made a mistake – they should have taught your forefathers how to use a condom.Perhaps we would have saved ourselves from scums like you.
The christian society in the west is doomed to death not by any external influence,but only by problems within itself(like gay marriage,incest,live in relationships etc.).In a way,these are the resentments against church and the Bible ,a will for the people to do everything against the tachings.
March 21, 2007 at 1:59 pm
Hi,
Dear Chacko,chekavar,parameswar Esuji,
Did u listen to Sasikala Teacher’s speach?Would like to know ur logical comments on her speach?
Achu
March 23, 2007 at 6:19 pm
Dear Unni,
How can you say that Hinduism has nothing to do with the hindu society of today ? Religion is the core of our lives. We share a bond with God that is more intimate than that we have with our relatives. Now the job of religion is to make us understand this truth (it should sink into our very hearts). Then only can a society thrive and people live a truly rich and peaceful life.
Now I am not saying that other religions have been less or more successful than Hinduism. No I am not comparing. But either something is very wrong with Hinduism or with its followers or both. Its followers have more faith in Tantric rituals, astrologers, money power, political power and even blackmagic. Very few will trust that tomorrow God will look after them come what may. That they are God’s children. So instead of comparing, try to think how we can improve the hindu society. How can a hindu fall in love with God. How can a hindu live a peaceful life on this very earth. How can a hindu purify himself so that he develops qualities like compassion for fellow beings. Think about these.
Today the state of a hindu is such that if he has 10 lakhs in hand he will offer 1 lakh to a temple to say thanks to the deity and also to ask for more. Does he ever think of the poor brethren he has ? The hindu of today does business with God himself !
I didn’t quite get the last part “free to have your own perversions”. May be you can elaborate.
March 28, 2007 at 11:26 am
All formal religions are mass control techniques based on bullshit.This is more so in the case of “book” based religions where a human artifact is allegedly the words of some spooky dude up in the sky. The moment someone uses ‘faith’ to justify an argument hanging on air your antenna should go up. I see jokers here either ranting about ‘a bond with god’ or indulging in unbridled personal attacks. I suggest a hearing of George Carlins classic piece “There is no god” to both sides of this useless dabate. IAC freedom of speech is more important than any “hate speech”. Atanu Dey has this nice piece in his blog that says it better than i probably can.
http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/03/26/why-free-speech/
March 30, 2007 at 6:29 am
Hindhus are known for being tolerant of other religions. Christianity is known for making fun of and belittling other religions. I’m sure, Chacko, that if a group of people said that Christianity was demonic and evil and that you and your family members will burn in eternal damnation, that you wouldn’t like it very much either.
March 30, 2007 at 6:35 am
Also, I’m sure that if that same group of people, who also believe that fire-breathing dragons existed (because their holy book says so), said that you and your religion are Satanic, and that it spread the words of Satan, the ultimate evil, that wouldn’t like that very much as well.
March 30, 2007 at 7:01 am
Exodus 22:20: “He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.”
Isn’t mentioning the genocide of non-Christians, a form of hate speech?
Psalms 79:6: “Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name.”
Don’t you think that calling for the genocide of all those who follow other religions outside of Christianity, might be a form a hate speech?
John 8:44: “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
Here Yeshua (aka Jesus) says that those who don’t follow him are sons of Satan. Don’t you think that calling those you don’t follow Yeshua, the son’s of Satan might inspire some hate?
1 Corinthians 10:20-21 “But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.”
Here Paul writes that Gods of other religions are demons.
Don’t you think that saying that the Gods of other religions are demons might create some religious intolerance?
1 Thessalonians 2:14-15: “…ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.”
Don’t you think that a passage the says Jews killed the Son of Jehova, might create some anti-semitism?
Might some of these passages be characterized as hate speech?
March 30, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Dear Friends, The website ‘christianaggression.org’ its showing the fact what is happening in india, i am from bangalore, i seen my self how these people are spearding in india.
Once a christian man came to my home started teaching u know what stupidity he preached. He explained his religion first, then he started saying people who converted into christians r very happy, have no disease, they r very rich. Ok i dont care what he says suddenly he saw Ganesha photo and he said don’t believe this god it has no power and its a piece of paper. So i got angry i scold him i sent him outside of my home.
Like this many people are doing in sake of money. Shame to the people who doing this.
I seen my Christian people r showing attraction by saying if u convert into christain v well give u a home or land, or money. i have proof.
Please these things are really happening in India. Please don’t destroy Indian culture.
And in Thirupathi same problem happening, they want to remove hindus friom that place and want to destory the temple and tried to construct a chruch in one of the 7 hills which belongs to the Thirupathi temple.
I have the proof on that. In this replies so stupid member r trying to file a case on that website one thing be sure the site contains full of fact u can’t do anything to India’s Hindu religion and culture.
First be a perfect indian don’t sell u soul for just some piece of money. Proud to be indian and as a hindu.
JAI HIND, BARATH MATHA KI JAI.
March 31, 2007 at 3:22 am
interesting artle you’ve got there.
April 2, 2007 at 3:13 am
A correction:
On my comment #241, Dated March 30, 2007
I meant to say:
Also, I’m sure that if that same group of people, who also believe that fire-breathing dragons existed (because their holy book says so), said that you and your religion are Satanic, and that it spread the words of Satan, the ultimate evil, “then you” wouldn’t like that very much as well.
April 9, 2007 at 12:23 am
If you have such a big dick, why rat out to the “authorities”?
April 11, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Dear Mark,
Your drivel was quite rude even though you make some valid points.
April 13, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Just a few points for some of our misguided Hindu RSS pals :
1. You claim missionaries are evil & are involoved in “forced conversions” ???
– So spreading the good word of the Bible in a peaceful & amicable way…uplifting, enlightening the poor dalits about their rights, financially, socially and educationally helping India’s oppressed ( vs the 5000 odd years of hindu Brahmin tyranny)is evil ??? I guess the recent incident of the Brahmin Bhagat burning and killing a Dalit young woman just because she did not want to lend him money (in Bhandara, Maharastra) just a few days back is good right ?
Oh and by “forced conversions”…Do you mean that Christian men and woman are armed with Ak 47’s, Bazookas, Uzi sub machine guns, shotguns and grenades to force the hindus to convert ?
yeah right I can juz picturise a X’ian preacher holding a dalit at gun point and barking out orders “OK-CONVERT” ! ( hint : sarcasm)
2. Did you ever stop for a while and just ponder that it is the dalits themselves who rather prefer converting into a Buddhist, Muslim or Christian as compared to living as a perpetual underdog at the mercy of cruel and disgusting upper castes who commit ( & have been committing) innumerable atrocities ( this was even a major story covered in the Nat Geo mag 2003). Did it ever occur to you that any Dalit converts because it is in his/her own self interest ?
3. I agree, no religion or political entity is perfect ! But, if Christian westerners are so bad and evil, then why is it that most of you RSS/VHP type of fruitckes prefer , or might I say ..Die ( fight tooth n nail) to get to the west. The very fact that X’ian Britishers, Portuguese and to a small extent french ( a la Pondicherry) built up modern India from its dark ages, the very fact that most upper caste even BJP leaders prefer and line up to educate their kids in a convent school as compared to a Gurukul…the vast scientific, technological, economical etc innovations and contribution…including financial help provided by the Christian charities, fundraisers, Universities and western Judeo X’ian based govts..speaks volumes.
Whenever I see posts writen by Hindu Upper caste Indians thriving in the Christian west and yet criticizing it…I see a classical display of hypocrisy to its worst !
The Judeo X’ian world never needed nor do we ever need Hindus, but vice versa, Hindu India and Indians have always directly or indirectly needed our help…ever since the Anglican Church and its East India company set up base at Kolkata 300 years back. That is a fact !
Thank you and have a nice day.
April 13, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Your post Newton was excellent. How very true. Its easy to blame everyone. But when someone shows you the mirror, even a faint introspection can hurt. Its about time we Brahmins look at our own faults. I will take this oppurtunity to apologize to all the Dalits and other oppressed minorities whom we have transgressed. And yes, the contributions of the Christians to our land, especially the Roman Catholics is priceless, from Gregor Johan Mendel ( an Austrian Catholic priest)- the father of modern genetics to the 365 day Gregorian calender we follow today and last but not least Guttenberg’s Catholic press from which modern books, printed media etc has its roots. I am a big fan of notable catholic families like Henry Ford, founder of Ford motors, the Kennedies, Arnold Schwarznegger, Governor of calif. where I work, rock bands with prominent catholics such as Mel Gibson,Pierce Brosnan, Bon Jovi and the Beatles and our own very Mother Teresa. I finished my alma mater at the St Josephs convent school, Panchgani..a prestigious and elite hill station school. Lets all work to create a prosperous and peaceful world in accordance with the divinity of the Vedanta.
April 14, 2007 at 10:38 pm
Thank you Vidya for your kind reply. To be frank, I do have a rather good opinion on Hinduism and hindus ( they ‘re peaceful and tolerant for the most part). Hinduism does offer some great Philosophical insights much like Christianity and buddhism. However orgs like RSS, VHP etc are a big Joke. They’re senseless hypocrites who are quite ready to sell even their own kith and kin at the drop of a hat ! They are the ones that suck !
April 15, 2007 at 11:35 am
Hi guys,
Just stumbled upon this site when I google searched for the indian mutiny revolt ( 1857).My name is Henrik from Germany and am currently in India doing a Thesis project in biotechnology for the third world.
Sadly, I do notice a couple of posters with a very anti Christian attitude. I don’t mean to be rude. But since many of you all ( esp. the Brahmin caste hindus) are settled or are living and working in Christian secular states like USA, and EU nations. Why do you bear this animosity towards our Liberal Judeo Christian based cultures.
I mean on one hand as a poster above has so rightly pointed : most Brahmins try and always ( if not in each n every case) for the most part educate themselves in Christian missionary schools and elite convent schools- I know this for a fact, goto just about any such Christian school, and hey presto most of the students and their parents who pick them up after school are predominantly Brahmins and other so called upper castes ! Besides, whenever there is even a small chance, most such Hindus don’t hesitate a moment to utilize every help they get from the Christian west in the form of Christian charities, funds, financial help via different agencies, the world bank, UN loans and countless private trusts from Churches , secular non profit orgs etc from the west.
I could take more than a week or so sitting nonstop on this comp. typing the countless inventions, ideas and numerous contributions in just about any field which is derived from our ideal Judeo Christian cultures. My country Germany, the UK, Italy, France and USA top the list of inventors, Scientists and Mathematicians etc. Ofcourse ( Orthodox Christian-communist cultures like Russia and even ancient Greece were notable too). Even the computer and internet from which you spew your anti Christian, anti western venom is a Christian western man’s invention ! Don’t you forget that !
If many of you all are so ingrained with your pagan Hindu ideas and primitive superstitious beliefs such as female infanticide, shiva sexual based cults like worshipping a Linga !( man’s Phallus), a cow or some other semi homosapien semi animal “God” like hanuman, nag etc…please go ahead ! I mean you can’t have it both ways… Don’t be a hypocrite !
All you need to do is get out of the west, return back to India, work hard to improve your lot there. And yep, stop using all our allopathic medicine/ surgery ( go back to Ayurveda), avoid modern Engineering ( revert back to Vedic Mathematics and stuff, don’t wear western clothes….you can be better off without ’em. Use a Lungi, Dhoti, Sari etc…and last but not least educate your kids in a Gururkul ( so that they can be better enlightened the rest of their lives by chanting sloakas and reciting mantras !)…I’m sure you all don’t need the western modern education and enlightenment from us “inferior” Christian westerners from a Convent school. And, Oh those evil missionaries ??? Well, give back all the funding and financial help they’ve provided to your lot in the form of charity. Besides, if you all need funding and charity you always have the RSS and VHP or Sang Parivar to rely on right ?
And oh my, Sonia Gandhi- a practicing Catholic Italian lady ruling India with her adorable Catholic kids Priyanka and Rahul ! Well, get rid of her and take in Uma Bharati instead- now what a fine, educated and cultured lady , right ?
Dank !
April 15, 2007 at 11:48 am
To Jayakumar Rajagopal and others :
So you and many other Hindus here claim that Christians are “FORCING” you all to ah..the magic word of every hindutva..”CONVERT” !
Hmmm…So now ladies and gentlemen, I guess we’ve all learnt a new thing by the “great minds” of Hindutva !!! Guess what, missionaries are armed with Kalshinovs, AK 47’s and uhh..I guess Israeli Krav Maga martial arts and kickboxing to counter Hindus and hahahah Forcing them to convert. Hey you know what…I’ve never seen any missionart atleast nowadays in India armed and dangerous ! Atbest the only ammo. the mission guyz n gals have is their Bible- the word of God, and some basic funding to sustain their mission ! Now talking about Hindutva on the other hand, look at Godhra and Babri Masjid…Oh I’m sure those peaceful well meaning Hindutva were just unarmed innocent preachers right ? Psst psst….the whole world saw it and they know the truth ! So bark on , no one cares !!
April 15, 2007 at 12:04 pm
To Venkat,
Okay :
Christian fundamentalists vs Hindu Fundamentalists in the 21 st century :
One group are over funded, carry the word of God in a peaceful and amicable way ( as quoted by Newton), actually help through financial, educational and social means to uplift the countless Dalits/Harijans/oppressed and needy irrespective of what caste and creed etc eg : Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Kolkata ( conversions for utilizing the resources there are not mandatory for a non Christian !) and last but not least is ready to become a selfLESS matyr for his noble mission ( a la Graham Staines and his tow 9 year old innocent boys, his wife and daughter even forgave the Hindutva forces who commiteed this cruel and merciless act), besides, this Group has made enormous contributions to India in the educational and Medical Health centre including the various charities which are non discriminatory and open for all !
The other religious group with the Saffron Brigade on the other hand, instigate violence and a neo proxy war which continues even today killing innocents ( babri masjid-Islamic terroism on India chain reaction), does almost nothing for centuries but divide and discriminate / oppress dalits and so called “Lower castes”, waste their time in delusional thinking and some kind of wacky Neo Nazi like supremacy of the otherwise peaceful Hindu religion, are basically selfish and divided…one needs to look at the loss of BJP in the 2004 elections, besides that viola we get such noble personalities like Narendra Modi of Gujrat ( what a charming man, eh ? ), nutters like Sudershan, and the Mahajans ( Maharastrian Brahmins…younger bro kills older bro, corrupt older brother and womaniser, his son is so darn stupid, he gets knocked out snorting coke from a 500 rupee note !!!
April 16, 2007 at 10:22 am
I agree Henrik. These losers ( my bet is on predominantly upper caste double taking hypocrite Hindus) have a deep seated inferiority complex when they see the Judeo Christian civilisations of America and Europe in its greatest splendour, advancement and glory far surpassing everyother culture especially Hinduism. They can’t take it, so they simply berate it.
I’m from Mumbai and am a practicing Roman Catholic. What you said about the Brahmins and their love for Catholic based schools and Universities is 100 % true. And yet they don’t mind ostracizing the very same institutions that made them who they are today ! They just love biting the hand that feeds them.
If they hate Christians so much I guess they’re better off coming back and setting camp in India so that they could live a puritan Hindu lifestyle, adapting and thriving in a Christian country like the United States simply makes no sense. Now, I don’t want to get in to details about an ancient pagan Hindu culture that revolves around a non Historical, irrational blind belief system ( Both Ramayana and Mahabharata are giant epics writen by Guru Valmiki, pure fiction), but when they accuse a more historical and evidence based religion like say Christianity or Buddhism…it makes me laugh !
But then Henrik, what else can you expect from a lousy bunch of losers invoid of logic and rationality. I mean, if someone can call a mere grazing cow ( Gomatha), snake ( nag bhagwan) or as you so rightly pointed out – a man’s phallus ( Shiva Linga) as ” Gods”, then I guess the very word ” God” has a new meaning. Worse, it reflects on the IQ and logic of such people ( hard core Hindutvas) to be little better than primates ! One only has to look at modern India , the corruption, mal infrastructure, filth, mayhem and misery to understand what I’m saying ! Simply put in many such categories, if you were to compare America, Germany or Switzerland Vs non Christian nations like India, pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia etc…you’d understand. Like it or hate it Judeo Christianity has always produced the best. Its superiority compared to others cannot be refuted ! Case closed, period !
April 16, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Dear Henrik Goerring and Vikas Dias,
Your are a stupid and your religion and your missionaries are waste, simply they are bring hateness, anger and no-peace environment in the country.
You saying only Upper Caste4 and Lower caste in India. It also exist in your country and in your religion.
Please can you answer for my small question?
1. What and Who is Catholic?
2. Who are protestants?
3. Why the protestants fought with Catholic ?.
Please if you know.
According to me i have read several books, articles, saying the facts that the catholic people treated protestants as a slave, they tortured them a lot not giving food.
Protestants have no rights to enter the church and do prayer, no respect was given to them.
Protestants have no rights for education, only slavery. So Your religion also have caste system.
Now also protestants have separate church, the celebrate Christmas in a different day.
Keep your hand in your heart and think, did you ever gave love and respect to your mother and father?. Their is no meaning for that in your stupid religion.
Shame on you, first know the all facts in your religion then talk or make joke on other religions. Like this did your christ said to make fun of other religions people?
One thing is sure you are cruel person, have no love for your own people what the respect will pay or show to others.
First be a human then a man then a person belong to a religion.
April 16, 2007 at 8:15 pm
Vikas Dias- Why do Indian christians hang on to Hindu names? Why can’t you name yourself after the bible figures, such as St.Patrick, etc? There are so many Indian Xtains who are more rabid than a Western christians, but they keep their Hindu names in order to dupe Hindus in India.
Most of you keep picking on Brahmins. Poor Brahmins, they are probably more secular than the non-Brahmin Hindus. Another thing I see here is to denegrate Hindu Gods, such as Shiva. This is how christians argue their ‘superiority’ over other religions. No one can prove anything! That is the dilemma facing humans- those that believe in any holy ritualistic faith, is doomed to mediocrity. Be liberated, and be spiritual- that is all it takes to be real human. You can’t really prove Jesus existed, or he is coming back, or he is the son of God. No one can! That is the problem we face. But we keep fighting over whose God is bigger and better!
There is also a big arguement about the best of the planet is all due to the white man- God like creature with christinity written all over him. People like Vikae cite USA etc. as the pinnacle of human achievemnt. True- at a time past.Right now, the Chinese and Indians are gaining ground. Soon, USA, Europe will be in the background, as the Asian countries rise. Throughout history, that has been the case. Nothing is permanent.
As for the white man- Those of us Indians (note that I am not saying Hindus!) to USA for higher education and oportunities- greatly disappointed about the white man’s abilities. We were brain-washed in India that the white man has the biggest brain, etc. What we Indians learnt here is- typicaly Asians out-perform whites by a big margin. The top money earners, the top educated people in USA- Asians, especially Indians. This is a fact. The IIT brains (many of them are Brahmins!) are the reason Silicon Valley has so many companies- Just go find that for yourself.
25% of the physiciands in USA- Indians! Many rural whites in USA would not be afording health care if not for Indian doctors. My own nephiew is a rural doctor in Kentucky- He is the only doctor in the town, and people are grateful for him. I have already mentioned in my previous posts that without Indian engineers, many engineering Ph.D. programs here in USA will have to close. What am I talking about? The Western countries have the vision to recruit the best to prosper, and that is what they have been doing. If the MiddleEast suddenly stops the flow of oil- Germany and all the great countries will stop functioning.
If I were to use the stupid logic of Vikas et al- God truly is pleased only with Muslims! Why else God put most of the oil in Middle East? Islam is then, the greatest religion of al times!
Regarding Africa- The white man is to blame for all the problems here. They plundered the resources, and left behind a lot of corruption.
Finally-0 Coming back to India- Only Indian christians would denegrate India as a filthy corrupt country. What patriotism! Despite the filth and corruption, India progresses! Please read Tom Friedman’s “the world is flat’. He is full of praise for India, and champions the rise of India. Unlike you, Vikas (you are the snake that bites the hand feeding you), Frideman talks about the problems and progress Indians have made. The CBS ’60 minutes’ show here in USA had 30 minute segment about the greatness of IITs in India. I live in Boston, and can tell you that MIT is no match for IIT, and MIT exists today due largely to the many Asians who ae there. Same is true for many elite USA Universities. If you look at UK schools, you will realize that the top students are Indians (mostly Hindus).
Many USA blacks ae converting to Islam.Why? They had enough of the sanctimoniuos white-man is great bullshit. This is exactly what you, Vikas, is promoting. We Indians should prostate at the feet of white man? Don’t you have any self-respect?
Final point: When the whites came to settle here in the Americas,they brought their culture here, their Gods. They did not adopt local Indian myths. Same way, we Indians immigrating to USA now, are bringing our cultural herirtage to this land. We do not have to adopt wite man’s culture. Why should we? To do so is to declare that we brown-skinned people are inferior to the white man. Weare in way inferior. As a proof, Americans ae embracing nit only Indian curries, but Eastern philosophy, Yoga, Meditation, Ayurvedic spas andretreat centers! California has large number of rich and famous spending time at Ayurvedic retreat centers. Hindus and Hinduism is emerging as a dynamic force in USA. Mr. Bush is considering issuing Diwali stamps soon. We have arrived here, this land is a land of immigrants, and we are better than the white man.
April 17, 2007 at 1:31 am
Hey Santosh,
You are pathetic dude, You must be in Utah or Wyoming to have such ‘fundamentalist’/factually incorect opinions. Please continue to hate Christians and white men but do keep coming here in droves and dont forget to send money back to the RSS/VHP Sanghis… to keep India stuck in the middle ages.
April 17, 2007 at 5:57 am
Michael- Factually incorrect? Which part? By the way, I am not in Utah or Wyoming. Who is hating christians here? My response has been to uncouple equating Judeochristian superiority, which means white man’s superiority.
1. Check the graduate programs in USA- Find out for yourself that the largest population of graduate students are from India, followed by China. The joke is- white students usually do not registed in a graduate level course if there are too many Asians in the class. The class average will be in the 80’s, and the local American student is afraid to compete.
2. Check the top people in Silicon Valley- Most are from Indian IITs.
3. Check the directory of American Medical Association- realize the top physicians are from India.
4. Check the Muslim population growth in Europe- The projections coming from the leaders of Europe- in 40 years, Islam will be the major religion of Europe, chrsitianity is losing grounf fast. Even the current Pope is alarmed about this.
5. As for USA- Unfortuinately, stupid bible thumping people voted Bush into power- see where we are now: 9 trillion dolar deficits, no control over the border, can’t get out of Iraq, Iran is making nukes. Decline of American power? Unfortunately, yes it is happening right now, as China is growing, followed by India.
Unfortunate as I said- my retirement account is tied up here in USA.
6. Quality of white students in USA- Not very good. Check the valedictorian list of major school districts in USA- you will find mostly Asians acing the grades.
7. Next time you meet an American college graduate- compare the level of science knowledge- and you will realize it is below par. Most American students are in a state of drug/ alcohol/ sex addiction.
Finally, I am not a member of VHP/ BJP, etc. I am purely an Indian, that is all. If any non-jesus loving person makes an anti-christian statement- why do you bother? After all, your God is bigger than anyone. Is that what you truly believe? That all others (i.e., Hindus especially) are scum of the planet? If you believe that, surely non-christians have equal rights to criticize your beliefs.
April 17, 2007 at 7:12 am
Oh those “evil” aggressive Christians are “forcibly converting” us…boohoo, blah blah blah !
What a sorry bunch of losers ! I’m an American Jew, and am sick of seeing a sick bunch of people who live and work in America and yet show their loyalty elsewhere. As for the disclaimer : the site is in no way anti Christian is buloney !
I know all about you upper caste Hindu inferiors, one look at modern India, its long exhaustive history of tyranny, Caste System, cheating, disunity and mere collosal stupidity and arrogance of the traitorous Brahmin and Zamindar castes depict why India is in the shambles it is today. Hindutva is nonsense , wanna know why ?
1. Hindusim is at best a collection of Philosophical ideas mixed with pagan nature worship Gnostic mysticism, much unlike the more historical and reality/logical based Judiasm and Christianity.
For eg : Many Historic experst including myself have done extensive research into Indian history, but nowhere and I mean nowhere has there ever been any Historic reference to Ram or Krishna’s very existence. It has been said even by Indian historical experst that the two main books of Hinduism – the Ramayana and Mahabharat are fictious epics written by Valmiki. The moral of both these stories are same ; Good triumphs evil ! But, most Hindus/|Hindutvas despite some of ’em being well educated still hold on to this blind belief that the epics of ramayana and Mahabharata are actually true. I mean you hear of the Gupta dynasty, Mauriyas, right from King Paras..Ashoka etc Even Buddhism and Jainism have more factual evidence, because Prince Siddharta aka Buddha and Mahavira were real life historically documented characters much like Jesus Christ( as documented by Pontius Pilot, the Roman governor of Palestine in 33-78 AD respectively), Gurur Nanak of the Sikhs and Moses or Abraham ( to us Jews).The Biblical-Torah characters can always be reference checked because it WAS history and fact, unlike Hinduism which is mere FICTION ! Can the same be said about the Hindu Gods ? besides, Christian and Jewish teachings are quite similar and practical with a clear direction to salvation and God as compared to a vague and futile Hindusim which simply beats around the bush without getting to the point.
2. The very fact that 3/4 th of humanity chose in most cases to belief and follow JudeoChristianity at some point only proves its mass appeal and logic ! Can the same be said about duh..Hinduism which to most people on Earth is nothing more than a great Philosophical culture BUT without any proper God or supernatural essence. C’mon who on Earth is going to buy such garbage that a Cow , Serpent, Primate/monkey as in Hanumann or even the thought that some fatboy with an elephant head actually rides on a tiny rat ( Ganesha) ? This simply defies logic !
April 17, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Hi All,
I’m a convert to Hinduism from Christianity, only those who really live the life of a Hindu will understand its greatness, I still go to chruch and take all good things from Bible, I find Christianity as a subset of Hinduism, I’m not sure about the missionary activity, but I got converted out of my own interest, forcing some one is always wrong.
For the Christian and Hindu bashers out there, please do not continue this until you know the truth and fact.
April 17, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Whoa- a Hindu mind ? An Oxymoron !
The false, mostly factually incorrect and irrational argument put forth by some ( ? upper caste Hindus) on this site just keeps me entertained..hahaha I mean, where else do you get such a classic display of stupidity for free ! Posts ( vitriols) like this could explain India’s very low national IQ ( 81, less than Koko the Gorilla, 83) and its insignificance, thanks to Upper caste Hindutva brainless ideology. I’m sure there are many high IQ smart Indians from the Parsi, Christian( Catholic), south Indians like Tamils and Malayalee Christians and other backgrounds…but these mostly retarded northern Indian RSS/VHP jokers make my day ! If you need a clue , just google search the IQ’s of RSS-Hindutva oriented states like UP, MP, Gujarat etc….their IQ and education are below the retardation level. Heck, in the EU( European Union), they could easily claim handicap insurance and benefits ( for being mentally impaired).
Anyway, I’ll respond to one such poster using our Judeo Christian logic, something our friend Mr Kumar so typically of his kind is invoid off !
By the way I’m German and English is my second language, so in case I make a grammatical mistake, kindly excuse me !
Rajesh Kumar Says:
April 16th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Dear Henrik Goerring and Vikas Dias,
“Your are a stupid and your religion and your missionaries are waste, simply they are bring hateness, anger and no-peace environment in the country.”
..Ho ho so you start your vitriol with the typical RSS induced venom of senseless negativity without making a proper point, except for a mindless blame game ! Keep it up ! If I’m not wrong, if it were’nt for those “stupid/waste” missionaries and the Anglican church with its East India company ( where Herr Rothschild and the Royal Family of England- guardians of the Christiandom in the UK), do you think modern India would ever see the light of day. Lets face it you guys would have no proper modern economy, industry, the largest rail network in Asia ( the Bombay-Thane rail network and others were the undertaking of British engineers and planners under the British Raj). What about modern education, exposure in science, modern Mathematics, Allopathic med. and surgery, Engineering and a structered education and social upliftement for all, from Brahmins to Dalits ,first undertaken by the Christian missionaries- fact, St Peter’s school in Thanjavur, TN ( India) was the first modern school in Asia dating back to the late 1700’s ! Look, I can’t waste my time naming the numerous contributions of the Christian west to the world especially your country…coz it may take weeks to continously sit on this PC and type all day 24/7. Our contributions in every sphere of advancement is countless ! But to cut the long story short, the Anglican Christian British raj left behind a valuable legacy, one that would fuel the international Indian economy in the late 90’s and even today- the English language. Thanks to “English”, today there are so many jobs outsourced to the cheap mediocre programmers and call centre ( BPO) workers in India. Without which a rising middle class and a revival / renaissance of the otherwise sluggish and non innovative Indian economy/lifestyle would have been retrograde like in the 70’s and 80’s. Oh please Rajesh, you guyz really have far too many reasons to thank us. Yes, we Europeans, Christians, Jews etc have committed our own share of atrocities ( I ‘m not denying that) BUT, we have made significant changes. Today’s multicultural Germany and America is far from yesterdays Nazi reich and the Jim Crow days of forced segregation ! The Catholic church too had its days of heretic burning and irrationality, BUT, It has made significant efforts to become an ultra modern and scientific faith. The late pope J Paul DID apologize to the wronged such as the Holocaust Jews, Galileo etc. The Vatican despite some probs. IS still the world’s most elegant, powerful and respected religious organization of all time ! No kidding. Even the protestants have made significant changes etc. Yes, we all error at some point, BUT, we changed…you Hindus…have had so much of disunity and tyranny, but where’s the change ? Remember evil Hindu customs like Sati, Casteism and Child marriage etc were abolished by the Christian Brits. The Hindus ( Upper castes) made no conscious efforts to change and better their own lot ! That’s a fact, even today..just read anything about India both in the Indian as well as international media…you’d understand the level of downtroddenness, corruption, superstition, tyranny and nonsense that goes on there. So much so that most people like you were fed up of your “Mahan desh” and had to leave it for the Judeo Christian nations such as USA etc. Just accept it : your religion/culture is nothing more than one BiG hypocritical, superstitious, racist, tyrannical and illogical failure ! Deep inside even you realize that, history has proven that time and again…but ironically, you will never openly admit it !
1. Please can you answer for my small question?
1. What and Who is Catholic? Who are protestants? Why the protestants fought with Catholic ?.
Correction, actually there are three main sects of Christianity or Christiandom : Catholics- the predominant sect comprising of the following ( Italian/Latin/Roman, French, Switzerland, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Monaco, Poland, more than ½ the population of Germany, 44 % of USA and Canada, the entire South & central Americas, Phillipines, Goa and other parts of Catholics in the subcontinent, Christian Israelites and the Maronite Lebanese who form the most educated and wealthy glamorous elite of Lebanon) Protestants ( they are widespread in Europe, Scandanavia, Africa, Asia and Australia/New Zealand) and Orthodox followed by the( Russian , Greek, Armenian, Eastern European, Syrian and Egyptian Coptics). To answer your question, Catholics and Protestants are simply two distinct sects of Christianity. This is not based on any Caste system that was shoved down someone’s throat forcibly. Even today, anyone can change his sect without any problem ! There is total freedom. Anyway this is nothing new, sects are present in all religions….Buddhism has Mahayana and I don’t get the other name, Janism has digambara and si..bara, Islam has shias and sunnis…and the worst division in any religion of history has gotta be Hinduism – a full tyrannical 4 point caste division in whose name innumerable atrocities are committed since more than 5 millenia till today ! And, I guess I don’t need to include the various subcastes with each caste ! By the way the Catholic – protestant rift has only occurred recently , 15th century. Yes, there were wars fought and indifferences between the two just like with any other major religion having sects. It still does’nt compare to the divisions as seen in Hinduism ! And by the way, the late Pope John Paul and the heads of the Anglican Church, Presybertian and other major Protestant denominations have had a mission since 2 decades back of peace and unity, this is called EVANGELIZATION-2000 AD. Google search it for references. The aims of Evangilization is to foster unity and understanding between all churches be it Catholic , regional Orthodox and Protestant. Today as in 2007, we have no problems at all between the different sects of Judeo Christianity..Jews, Catholics, Protestants etc get along well like brothers. We have Islamic terror to fight down anyway ! Unlike the ongoing Caste issue and discrimination which still persists in the subcontinent, or the Shia-Sunni massacres in Iraq/pakistan etc, the days of Catholic-Protestant rifts are almost extinct ( a water under the bridge !) We are peaceful and prosperous. A Catholic France and Italy are at Peace with a Protestant England and Germany. USA is the finest example, despite an overwhelming Protestant population majority, the Catholics and Jews have been highly successful in Banking, Sciences, Politics, entertainment and industry. The Catholic dynasties such as, Kennedies, Fords are prominent examples. Stallone, Schwarznegger, Mel Gibson, the Baldwin brothers, James Bond- Pierce Brosnan are devout and highly successful Roman Catholics in Hollywood ! The Catholics and Jews are some of the most powerful lobbies in Washington DC. Don’t forget the CIA which has close ties with the Jesuit Catholic Priests. Now that’s as how high you can get when you talk about power and prestige ! Can Dalits and Shudras enjoy such power and prestige in Hindu India ? Heck, Dalits are still prohibited from entering many temples in rural India ,they’re denied basic human rights- that’s a fact again !
‘Please if you know.
According to me i have read several books, articles, saying the facts that the catholic people treated protestants as a slave, they tortured them a lot not giving food.’
…Again, classical gibberish ! Prove your point.
“Protestants have no rights to enter the church and do prayer, no respect was given to them.
Protestants have no rights for education, only slavery. So Your religion also have caste system.
Now also protestants have separate church, the celebrate Christmas in a different day.”
Refer to the reply passage above !
Where do you spin such tales from….is this your typical Hindu Myth making once again. I mean for a religion to formulate the version of “god” as a cow/monkey ( hanuman) or a man’s dick ( Shiva Linga)…I bet your blind faith brethren are quick to believe such fairy tales as seen in the Mahabharata- another fictitious tale !
Hahaha, Protestants were slaves of Catholics…what garbage ! Your ignorance is appalling ! Yes there were a few wars and rivalry between the two , the main wars being : 1. Spain ( under Queen Isabella vs Queen Elizabeth of Protestant England ( Spanish Armada) 2. Catholic King James of England Vs the Anglican lobbies and 3. the Catholic Irish vs Protestant English wars. To the best of my knowledge, these wars are all history and dead long back. Today Catholics and Protestants go hand in hand, we’re cool with each other..quite unlike the daunting Hindu Caste problems in India which is disgusting and bloody awful ! Today, devout Catholics like the Irish Boyband of the late 90’s i.e. Boyzone and even U-2 thrive in Anglican London ! Things have changed for the better !
And about your mention of 25 th Dec. not being celebrated by Protestants ? What nonsense, Excepting the Jehovah’s witness ( a cult like group rejected by Christianity & which is not an accepted denomination in mainstream X’ianity , be it Protestants or Catholics. Every single denomination celebrate Xmas on the 25 th Dec.
‘Keep your hand in your heart and think, did you ever gave love and respect to your mother and father?. Their is no meaning for that in your stupid religion.”
…Man, what a moron….”honour thy father and mother” is one of the prime commandements of the “Ten Commandements”, the cornerstone of Judeo Christian belief. How come you don’t know that ? Next time do your homework better. Your blatant ignorance of even the basic principles of Judeo X’ianity prove that you above all are in no position to put up a debate ! Go back to school, boy !
Stupid religion ? Okay now you honestly tell me , which one sounds more stupid, downright silly ?
a. A religion which is well structered, historically documenting the events of many Prophets ( from reliable historical sources such as the Roman governors). The story of God who comes in the form of man to live a perfect life, sacrifice himself young to save the sins of mankind and is resurrected on the third day to rule in heaven. This faith convinces more than ¾ th of humanity i.e. Christianity !
Or
b. A religion ( if that’s what you can call it) where there are multiple so called “Gods” who aimlessly live like characters straight out from a DC comic book ( as in Lord of the rings), where non historical myths and semi animal freaks such as Ganesha- the elephant headed fatboy who rides on a tiny rat in space/universe, a snake drinking milk, a half monkey half man, a blue man with a snake, a mortal blue skinned pervert ( Krishna) who keeps blowing a flute and runs behind woman and buttermilk and yep….a goddess of death with her tongue sticking out with multiple hands..whoa and Shiva- the man with the ahh ehmm..LINGA, the divine phallus because of which we have numerous temples and sects like that in India ! Tell me at the end of such fictitious craziness…how do you guyz and gals buy such bull ? Honestly, even Koko the Gorilla would have rejected such a futile and wasted belief system !
“Shame on you, first know the all facts in your religion then talk or make joke on other religions. Like this did your christ said to make fun of other religions people?”
Dude, I know my religion well…looks like you need to do some home work. Go back and pray to your Cow ( Gomatha) for some intelligence, whilst I munch my beef Hamburger and shit your “gomatha” (beef) in the toilet the next day…shoosh..flush !
April 17, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Hi everyone,
I’m from Uttar Pradesh and am a recent convert from Hinduism to Christianity. I think Christ is the greatest teacher and I love him and his work for humanity. I converted on my own accord and would advise most people here to atleast read the message of God in the Bible.God bless you my brothers and sisters.
April 17, 2007 at 9:06 pm
Santosh, after reading your assinine and dumb drivel…all I can say is you need serious Psychiatric help. If all or most of what you say is true than I guess I’m superman !
Oh and Pres. Bush peoves that despite being a fundamental X’ian he still has tolerance and promotes every other faith including Hinduism in Peace, such is the beauty, tolerance and love of our liberal Judeo Christian culture as opposed to your downright stupid, mythical, cruel and intolerant conservative narrowminded hypocrisy- Hindutva !
Christians are here to stay and guide and lead the world, whether you like it or not. The best you should do is try and save hInduism and hindus from Islamic terror and ISI, Al Qaida types who will dominate India by the turn of the century. Maybe then you Hindutva fruitcakes will come begging to Judeo Christian powers like USA, Israel and EU for help ! Gosh your pathetic !
April 17, 2007 at 9:08 pm
I apologize for some spelling errors in my previous post. Thank you.
April 17, 2007 at 9:22 pm
GUyz correction, Koko the Gorilla has an IQ of 90 !!! And the highest national IQ of India = 81. Hey Hindutvas now u decide !
http://www.iqtestnow.com/mag/koko.html
April 17, 2007 at 9:44 pm
First of all Kudos to Newton, Chacko, Vikas, Henrik,and other Noble and proud Christians in exposing the rot of hindu fundamentalists in the United States. Its great to learn that finally Bush & co are working at tightening immigration for relatives of many hindu Brahmin parasites.
Huh, talking about Hindu fundamentalists. Where I live in Philadelphia, we used to get a few such saffron clad Hare Krishna chanting retards. Unlike Christianity, Islam or even Buddhism. Hinduism has the least amount of converts and the most unstable too. An ex Hindu convert white girl , who later rebaptised into a Methodist Christian once confessed that Hinduism is the most un convincing cult she tried out during her college days when she was high on drugs. A deeper investigation will open a whole can of worms on these Hindu priests. They are high on drugs, Paedophilic and resort to unlawful sex with woman and minors. In short they are disgusting with nothing more to offer other than a cult with no essence from the east. And those Sadhus or “swamis” with their ugly beards look horrible. Yuck ! And as for Christianity dying off in the United States and west- what a joke ! Yes, we have become affluent and rather casual about any form of organized religion ( that includes me too). But when the time comes, we proud Americans and crusaders of the west can shake of all the new age beliefs and crass materialism to get serious about our proud Christian modern culture and anhilate the parasites living on our lands such as Muslim terrorists and Hindu goons !
And to the Hindu hypocrites in the USA, no one invited you here. the very fact (as Newton so rightly put it) that all of you all came here fighting tooth and nail to get to the west speaks volumes about the futility of Hinduism and the so called proud Hindu culture you all boast of ! If you don’t like it here, if you got a problem with us Judeo Christians , then I have 4 words for you all : GET THE F-K OUT !
April 18, 2007 at 3:57 am
Such nice words from fellow human beings here- all christians, all made in the image of God.I wonder which God? Kristin Burley using foul language, and attributing drugs and pedophilia to Hindu priests that is more aptly applied to Catholic priests. I wonder how much income tax these people pay to the IRS? Kristin Burley should visit Deerfield, Michigan- 300,000+ Arabs/ Muslims. Now,how you going to get ridof non-christians in USA? Have you readhe US constitution recently? USA is a land of immigrants, and will continue to be so, there is nothing you can do about it. As for giving us highly educated Indians visas to come here- it is done because we are needed here. Meanwhile, the Southern border is out of control. 10,000 illegals (mostly uneducated) people are coming in every day. What are you doing about it, Ms. Burley? Do you honestly believe that rogues, drug dealers, terrorists coming in illegally is better than having Hindus coming in legally? Thereare many temples dotting every town in USA now- are you going to bomb them? Get a life.
Christians automatically assume that ‘Judeo’ christian values are superior to everything on this planet. That is a dangerous notion. I have mentioned mostly ‘Indians’ not Hindus in my stats I posted above. I do notclaim Hindus are better than others, etc. But, I resent christians claiming that they are superior in every way to others. Therein lies the fallacy, the egotistical manipulation of facts.I have absolutely o problem with Jews. If you tak to any Hindu, Hindus support Israel 100%, and support the Jewish movement. In fact, I have no problem if half of India converts to Judaism. For Jews do not actively convert.
As for christianity being 2/3rd of the world population- That is all due to active propagation and conversion. Right now, christian ministers ae active in India, China, andother countries.If you give a bible in one hand, and food in the other, sure people will convert to stay alive. That does not prove your God is biggerthan anyone else’s. Most of you- try to prove how mighty Jesus is, by making fun of Hindus (worshipping Linga, etc.). Is this your height of logic?
In the end- christianity can only be proven if Jesus comes back. Now,what is the chance of that, even if you believe in him? Same goes for any religion. That is why I don’t subscribe to any, although for cultural heritage reasons, I remain Hindu.
As for ‘Indian’ christians who are here in USA- and taunt us to get out. Do not forget that India gave you a good education so that you have a job in USA/ or any where out of India. This is not you pop’s country, get that clear in your mind.
April 18, 2007 at 7:13 am
To Santosh and others :
“As for ‘Indian’ christians who are here in USA- and taunt us to get out. Do not forget that India gave you a good education so that you have a job in USA/ or any where out of India. This is not you pop’s country, get that clear in your mind.”
…haha, actually fool ! I was educated in a 100 % Jesuit run Catholic school. I finished my college at the XLRI institute of management. None from my family have studied in a duh..Hindu school, okay !
“Santosh Says:
April 16th, 2007 at 8:15 pm
Vikas Dias- Why do Indian christians hang on to Hindu names? Why can’t you name yourself after the bible figures, such as St.Patrick, etc? There are so many Indian Xtains who are more rabid than a Western christians, but they keep their Hindu names in order to dupe Hindus in India. ”
…Santosh, why do so many Hindus and punjabis keep Christian western names. Ever heard of Rocky singh, the famous Bollywood director : David Dhawan !
April 18, 2007 at 8:53 am
Dear Vikas Dias,
You have not attained any Vikas.You are a traitor NO.1
Go through the words of some of the Best brains in the West on India/Hinduism. Are u really aproduct of XLRI ?, I doubt.
Albert Einstein, American Scientist: “We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made!”
Mark Twain, American Author: “India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!”
“So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left undone, either by man or nature, to make India the most extraordinary country that the sun visits on his rounds. Nothing seems to have been forgotten, nothing overlooked.”
“In religion, India is the only millionaire… the One land that all men desire to see, and having seen once, by even a glimpse, would not give that glimpse for all the shows of all the rest of the globe combined.”
Will Durant, American Historian: “It is true that even across the Himalayan barrier India has sent to the west, such gifts as grammar and logic, philosophy and fables, hypnotism and chess, and above all numerals and the decimal system.”
“India will teach us the tolerance and gentleness of mature mind, understanding spirit and a unifying, pacifying love for all human beings.”
“India is the motherland of our race and Sanskrit is the mother of Indo-European languages. She is the mother of our philosophy, of our mathematics, mother of ideals embodied in Christianity and mother of our democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all.” (‘Story of Civilization’)
Henry David Thoreau, American Thinker /Author: Whenever I have read any part of the Vedas, I have felt that some unearthly and unknown light illuminated me. In the great teaching of the Vedas, there is no touch of sectarianism. It is of all ages, climbs, and nationalities and is the royal road for the attainment of the Great Knowledge. When I read it, I feel that I am under the spangled heavens of a summer night.
R.W. Emerson, American Author: In the great books of India, an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence, which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the questions that exercise us.
William James, American Author: “From the Vedas we learn a practical art of surgery, medicine, music, house building under which mechanized art is included. They are encyclopedia of every aspect of life, culture, religion, science, ethics, law, cosmology and meteorology.”
Max Muller, German Scholar: “If I were to look over the whole world to find out a country most richly endowed with all the wealth, power and beauty that nature can bestow – in some part a very paradise on earth – I should point to India.”
“There is no book in the world that is so thrilling, stirring and inspiring as the Upanishads.” (‘Sacred Books of the East’)
Romain Rolland, French Philosopher: If there is one place on the face of this Earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest day when man began the dream of existence, it is India.
Apollonius Tyanaeus, Ancient Greek Traveler: “In India, I found a race of mortals living upon the Earth, but not adhering to it, inhabiting cities, but not being fixed to them, possessing everything, but possessed by nothing.”
Dr Arnold Toynbee, British Historian: “It is already becoming clear that a chapter which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian ending if it is not to end in the self-destruction of the human race. At this supremely dangerous moment in history, the only way of salvation for mankind is the Indian way.”
Hu Shih (Former Chinese Ambassador to USA): “India conquered and dominated China for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across its border.” (Bhavan Journal 15.05.1999)
Swami Vivekananda, Indian Philosopher: “Civilizations have arisen in other parts of the world. In ancient and modern times, wonderful ideas have been carried forward from one race to another…But mark you, my friends, it has been always with the blast of war trumpets and the march of embattled cohorts. Each idea had to be soaked in a deluge of blood….. Each word of power had to be followed by the groans of millions, by the wails of orphans, by the tears of widows. This, many other nations have taught; but India for thousands of years peacefully existed. Here activity prevailed when even Greece did not exist… Even earlier, when history has no record, and tradition dares not peer into the gloom of that intense past, even from until now, ideas after ideas have marched out from her, but every word has been spoken with a blessing behind it and peace before it. We, of all nations of the world, have never been a conquering race, and that blessing is on our head, and therefore we live….!”
Shri Aurovindo: “India of the ages is not dead nor has she spoken her last creative word; she lives and has still something to do for herself and the human peoples. And that which must seek now to awake is not anglicised oriental people, docile pupil of the West and doomed to repeat the cycle of the occident’s success and failure, but still the ancient immemorable Shakti recovering her deepest self, lifting her head higher towards the supreme source of light and strength and turning to discover the complete meaning and a vaster form of her Dharma.”
Sir William Jones, British Orientalist: “The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity is of wonderful structure, more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin and more exquisitely refined than either.”
April 18, 2007 at 9:04 am
~ Continued-
P. Johnstone: “Gravitation was known to the Hindus (Indians) before the birth of Newton. The system of blood circulation was discovered by them centuries before Harvey was heard of.”
Emmelin Plunret: “They were very advanced Hindu astronomers in 6000 BC. Vedas contain an account of the dimension of Earth, Sun, Moon, Planets and Galaxies.” (‘Calendars and Constellations’)
Sylvia Levi: “She (India) has left indelible imprints on one fourth of the human race in the course of a long succession of centuries. She has the right to reclaim … her place amongst the great nations summarizing and symbolizing the spirit of humanity. From Persia to the Chinese sea, from the icy regions of Siberia to Islands of Java and Borneo, India has propagated her beliefs, her tales, and her civilization!”
Colonel James Todd: “Where can we look for sages like those whose systems of philosophy were prototypes of those of Greece: to whose works Plato, Thales and Pythagorus were disciples? Where do I find astronomers whose knowledge of planetary systems yet excites wonder in Europe as well as the architects and sculptors whose works claim our admiration, and the musicians who could make the mind oscillate from joy to sorrow, from tears to smile with the change of modes and varied intonation?”
Lancelot Hogben: “There has been no more revolutionary contribution than the one which the Hindus (Indians) made when they invented ZERO.” (‘Mathematics for the Millions’)
Schopenhauer: “Vedas are the most rewarding and the most elevating book which can be possible in the world.” (Works VI p.427)
Wheeler Wilcox: “India – The land of Vedas, the remarkable works contain not only religious ideas for a perfect life, but also facts which science has proved true. Electricity, radium, electronics, airship, all were known to the seers who founded the Vedas.”
W. Heisenberg, German Physicist: “After the conversations about Indian philosophy, some of the ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so crazy suddenly made much more sense.”
Sir W. Hunter, British Surgeon: “The surgery of the ancient Indian physicians was bold and skilful. A special branch of surgery was dedicated to rhinoplasty or operations for improving deformed ears, noses and forming new ones, which European surgeons have now borrowed.”
Sir John Woodroffe: “An examination of Indian Vedic doctrines shows that it is in tune with the most advanced scientific and philosophical thought of the West.”
B.G. Rele: “Our present knowledge of the nervous system fits in so accurately with the internal description of the human body given in the Vedas (5000 years ago). Then the question arises whether the Vedas are really religious books or books on anatomy of the nervous system and medicine.” (‘The Vedic Gods’)
Adolf Seilachar & P.K. Bose, scientists: “One Billion-Year-Old fossil prove life began in India: AFP Washington reports in Science Magazine that German Scientist Adolf Seilachar and Indian Scientist P.K. Bose have unearthed fossil in Churhat a town in Madhya Pradesh, India which is 1.1 billion years old and has rolled back the evolutionary clock by more than 500 million years.”
April 18, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Dear achu,
Thanks for your beautiful facts and truths on Hinduism.
This will be a lesson to the STUPIDS, IDIOTS, NONSENSE, CRUEL, PATHETIC Christians.
April 18, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Dear christians.
Pls go discovery channel and search for “The Lost Tomb of Jesus”. Then you all start talking about other religion.
First find the holes exist in your stupid religion(Christianity). Then start digging the holes in other Religion.
Your god died, he is a dead body its ok i agree he is a good man like Swami Vivekananda.
But your are the people misunderstand his thoughts and going in wrong direction.
I bet you Christian idiots have no sense, no manners , only know to bring un-peace environment.
Your Christian Director James Cameron has directed the Documentary “The Lost Tomb of Jesus”. I am Amazing people of your own religion have no faith on Christianity.
Just Look Davince Code you know the fact.
I know you may give some stupid reason. If your god is powerful and you believe in your Christianity then answer me a question.
How many wars did Europe country fought?. Did your god said to fight each other flow the blood shed in the land where the God and good peoples were born ?.
Did your god said to conqueror the world and rule it and treat rest of people belongs to different customs and religions as a slave?.
Did your god is a reason for two big world wars were a huge loss of both property and people?
Did your god said to drop nuclear bomb on japan?. Did your god said to conqueror Asia countries and rule it?.
Did your god said that a man can marry a another man similarly a woman can marry a another women, which they call Gay Marriage and Lesbian Marriage?.
Tell me who is the main reason on terriost menace which widely spreading all around the world Is your God or who ?.
I think to answer these question you will become very old.
April 18, 2007 at 1:36 pm
The Mutiny has moved. Please visit http://www.mutiny.in to continue your debate.
Jacob
April 18, 2007 at 3:36 pm
Dear Henrik Goerring,
Thank you for your comments
“Dude, I know my religion well…looks like you need to do some home work. Go back and pray to your Cow ( Gomatha) for some intelligence, whilst I munch my beef Hamburger and shit your “gomatha” (beef) in the toilet the next day…shoosh..flush !”.
This piece of words proves how worst your , your idea, your thoughts, your culture, your religion.
You have no shame, you fit only to tease the people. Its confirms that your Bogus BIBLE(Fit for Nothing) teaches you how to behave, talk with non-Christians.
What you think we are leaving in india because of foreign nation is helping us. Your are a loser and a fool.
Your all are leaving because of Indian knowledge. If indian is not there in any of the foreign countries your country will not develop i am sure.
e.g. just look in Intel(U.S), Microsoft(U.S) company here you can find more 30% or more iam not sure are Indians(Hindus). Go in NASA you will findout.
What you thought like Pakistan we brought nuclear bomb from Korea and said we did it. Fools because of our knowledge and effort we created our own nuclear bomb and gave its name as “AGINI”.
We are better then you, we are praying a living animal like COW(Goddes Lakshmi) and Monkey(Veera Hunumaan). Elephant(Lorda Genesha). And We are really happy.
But your god is dead, your prying a dead body have no life and power. 13 disciples of christ they are also treated as GOD, what a foolishness. Church were built on name of them really a funny.
Hey tell me one thing you said “Lingam a man’s Dick”, how worst mind you are. Your god also have dick what you say he is a man of —–?. You guess better.
April 18, 2007 at 4:04 pm
5. If you stop printing and distributing this from Vatican. I assure you, there won’t be anybody to buy that in 10 years from now. Because it doesn’t carry any content. No rationality other than “God said, God said”.
-Rajeev
…to which Vikas says, dude do you know that the Bible is the most well read book of all time in the entire world, closely followed by Dracula and JJR Tolkien’s Lord of the rings ! Just a bit of trivia there. Anyway, talking about logic, the Bible has always been the inspiration for some of the Greatest men in history : Charles Martel, Emperor Charlemagne, the Royal dynasties of England and other nations of Europe, Sir Issaac Newton, the founding fathers of the United States ( be it George Washington , or Benjamin Franklin etc )…almost all the great Presidents of America i.e. Abe Lincoln, to Clinton. The Bible has inspired the greatest minds in Philosophy, science etc…the list is way too long friend. By the way, can the same be said in anyway about the Vedas or Upanishads ( yes, they may be older books in the radiocarbon dating, but how many people did they inspire…how well read are they ? Simply put, the Bible beats every other book in the Solar system in terms of sales and ofcourse logic ! You need to go back to Bible school !
April 18, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Rajesh Kujmar says :
“We are better then you, we are praying a living animal like COW(Goddes Lakshmi) and Monkey(Veera Hunumaan). Elephant(Lorda Genesha). And We are really happy.
But your god is dead, your prying a dead body have no life and power. 13 disciples of christ they are also treated as GOD, what a foolishness. Church were built on name of them really a funny.”
You’ve got to be kidding right. Oh yes Newton, thanks for the clipping about Koko the Gorilla who has a IQ of 90, a good 9 points ahead of Hindu India’s national IQ of just 81. That should explain the illogical nonsensical blatter of these numbskulled Hindutva morons !
By the way Do your homework once agin Rajesh, Christ died on Good Friday and was resuurected on Easter Sunday. Thats why we celebrate Easter- you nimrod ! Hence Christ is the living God and rules heaven and Earth, quite unlike a mortal lower form of vertebrate mammal such as a freaking Cow ( hahah, so the cow is your Goddess ehh…), well what can I say monkey boy, most Jews and Christians just dig a nice juicy beef steak or a hamburger ( beef) ! Well, I guess when I wake up in the mornin’ and goto the toilet, I practically shit ( excreate) your “goddess” down the drain…plush, shoosh and flush ! So much for the Hindu God. This literally means that your Cow “God”/Godess whatever is nothing more than my faeces, sad but true. You guys are so freaking silly ! Get a life you weak losers. I guess after learning about your daft so called “religion” of monkeys, snakes and sloosh-flush-I mean Cows and a man’s Penis ( shiva Linga)…those enlightened missionaries are doing you primitives a favour by showing you the path to a more logical and superior culture – the Judeo Christian one !
April 18, 2007 at 4:19 pm
“As for ‘Indian’ christians who are here in USA- and taunt us to get out. Do not forget that India gave you a good education so that you have a job in USA/ or any where out of India. This is not you pop’s country, get that clear in your mind.”
– Santosh
Fool, my entire family are American citizens now, this includes my father ( as for me I’m happily married with my beautiful Irish American Catholic wife)…so technically my pop is an American and hence this IS MY POP’S COUNTRY TOO ! Get that idiot !
Now listen to Kristin’s advise ( an American girl giving you brainless Hindu assholes a nice kicking), get a clue and get outta here if you hate the Christian American way of life.
Samjae kya, ab tu ghar me jaake, choodiyan pehno !
April 18, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Henrik Goerring Says:
“Christ died on Good Friday and was resuurected on Easter Sunday. Thats why we celebrate Easter- you nimrod ! Hence Christ is the living God and rules heaven and Earth, quite unlike a mortal lower form of vertebrate mammal such as a freaking Cow ( hahah, so the cow is your Goddess ehh…),”
Hey stop telling your stupid story. Your god died and in discovery channel they are proving he married to Mary and have child also. And his tomb is also discovered on which proof you blindly typing you idiot.
Dig the truth in your religion, your religion is a bogus, fit for nothing. And i am amazed you people are worshiping a dead man has no life and power. Its funny !. You beef and pig eater.
If your have guts come my place try to teach bogus bible fit only for cannibals , beef and pig eaters.
April 18, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Rajesh Kumar Says:
April 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Dear christians.
“Your god died, he is a dead body its ok i agree he is a good man like Swami Vivekananda.
But your are the people misunderstand his thoughts and going in wrong direction.”
…Died and was ressurected on the third day to fulfill the prophecies from the old testement. Christ rose from the dead, to mark this occassion the Christians celebrate Easter ! You seem quite ignorant about facts !
“Your Christian Director James Cameron has directed the Documentary “The Lost Tomb of Jesus”. I am Amazing people of your own religion have no faith on Christianity.”
…the lost tomb of Jesus does NOT state that Jesusu bones were found. Again , I will repeat : Jesus did die on the cross, BUT was ressurrected on the third day. By the way I saw that prog. too on Discovery. Check it again….at the end of the day, the director admits that he is not conclusive about his references. Thus he is unable to prove the validity of the Tomb theory. Anyway after Jesus died , the Bible does mention he was kept in a Tomb with incenses…BUT that was not to be his perpetual resting place as he rose from the dead. Thats why, Christianity spread, because unlike a downright stupid blind pagan culture – Hinduism, Christ was a living God who could rise from the dead and later ascended into heaven in pomp and splendour.
You must understand, that unlike a blind faith senseless religion like Hinduism or Islam, Christianity and Judiasm are highly liberal faiths which are like science, ready to be tested for evidence and historical relaibility. Hence you see even devout Christian and Vatican sponsored Catholic directors making docos to try and prove a hypothesis, which in the end of the prog. turns out to be false, this like any other research realted science proves the belief of the faith without an error , p
April 18, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Simonitz Rothstein Says:
“Died and was ressurected on the third day to fulfill the prophecies from the old testement. Christ rose from the dead, to mark this occassion the Christians celebrate Easter ! You seem quite ignorant about facts !”.
Dear friend, your above statement itself is a blind thoughts, believes or your religion. Even though your Christ is not mortal, he is just a human being like others.
Your religion Christianity and Judiasm not are highly liberal faiths, this is your blind thoughts.
Christianity was spread forcefully not the people liked it and converted into your religion. e.g. When British invaded india they forcefully converted many peoples into Christians, many temple were destroyed. Without proof i will not blame any one.
I have proof, just go to indian history then you will come to know the truth.
Money is been pumped my West countries into india, their goals is to convert entire nation into Christians. This is ridiculous.
I have many proofs regarding this, pls try to understand your religion is a forcefully
imposed on people. And your god did not ressurected its a lie, unfacts being spread long – long years till now.
Think Count Total Churches in world and Temples Compare which are rich a Churches or hindu temples ?. A Church Priest or hindu priest?.
Then answer me, you all people have extream wealth and misusing it and trying to vanish a millon year hindu fundamentals.
April 18, 2007 at 6:36 pm
Simonitz Rothstein – He says he is a JEW. What a lie. I have many Jewish friends in science circle, and none of them read the bible.
What not say you are a christian, Simonitz Rothstein ?
Irrespective of what you christians say, I have a lit of ex-chritian intellectuals I discuss religion. Just yesterday, Jack, a colleague of mine, was saying how wrong the bible is on scince- That Earth is a flat disc resting on 12 pillars. Now Jack is from Berkeley, California, well-versed in Latin and Greek, French, with a doctoral degree. In case you are wondering where we are- I can see Charles river from my office in Boston. As for you foul-mouthed christians (I bet all of you are Indians), have some appreciation for your country of origin- India. It does not matter you studied in a catholic school in India. The fact is- all catholic schools are subsidized by Indian tax payers’ money. You should have some gratitude.
As for you Indian chritians in USA- as you walk in any US city street, the whites looking at you will be thinking “another brownie from a 3rd world country’! They will not give a damn you are related to Jesus or not. You Indian christians are ingrates, along with the Indian Muslims. That is why we Hindus would like to have India secular, but largely Hindu. Imagine what would be the fate of Hindus in India if you christians become the majority. The German guy ‘Goerring’ (what a name, Hitler’s Nazi squad), would develop gassing methods to kill us.
As for educated American whites- they have every respect for Hinduism, medidation, Yoga, etc. America may have been founded by christians, but times are changing now. It does not matter who founded this country, it is an immigrant country. Foul-mouthed women such as Kristin from PA can only bad mouth us. Meanwhile, we Indians (especially Hindus) are taking on top positions in corporate as well as academic arenas in USA- What are you going to do? Weare the top in the socio-economic ladder. Many in Silicpon Valley are Indian, and look at MIT- Boston. Including nobel laurate Dr. Khorana, there are plenty of Indians there, including some of my colleagues.
As for people who make fun of animals, especialy the docile Cow. Beware- you will be infested one day with prions (i.e., bovine spongiform encephalitis). Sweet revenge. Any of you christians know that prions are not mentioned in the bible? How come the bible prophecies does not mention stem cells, gene therapies, microchps, etc? In fact, Jesus, being son of God, did not even know about Hindus in India. Otherwise, he would have said, go to Indian and convert Hindus. He was pretty clueless.
Take home message for christians- you can harp al you want about the greatness of bible- only way to prove your God is bigger than others- Jesus has to come back- How would you know when he comes back? What isf he comes back as a Somali black guy? The whites would not accept that! Horrors! But this is all hypothetical of course. Jesus was fictional, and he is not coming back. The Millerites in USA in mid- 1980’s predicted his coming back. Did not hapen. Since then, people on bible TVs (Benny Hinn etc.) have been predicting his coming back. Well- Indian christians, we will wait for that day to prove bible is mightier than any other books I read (such as Darwin’s evolution).
April 18, 2007 at 6:43 pm
ok Rajesh prove your statements.
As for someone here stating that the Davinci code as a source of reference ! Well , Dan Browns da vinci code is nothing more than mere fiction, a spicy rumor to sell and commercialise on the profits of a fictitious best seller ! The da vinci code has stated on its cover as a 100 % fiction novel and NOT a valid historical source.
Check this out :
http://www.truthnet.org/Christianity/cults/davincicode/
You see unlike you cow, snake and heaven knows whatelse rubbish you all believe in, Jews and X’ians are far more rational, historical and superior. Our glorious and powerful civilizations are testement to that. Your points Hindu are very weak and illogical. Your history is very poor. You need to go back and learn. Are you a high school dropout ?
Oh and by the way, don’t you dare tell Vikas or anyother Christian on this site what they’re supposed to do in America. Most of us Jews despise polysthetic pagan Baal worshipping Hindus like you. You people can do better to leave the Christian west and go back to your blind pagan Gnostic Hindu rubbish in India. And instead of blaming the well meaning harmless missionaries, you should worry about the Islamic menance and Jihadi Al qAIDA, ISI double crossing hindu agents like Vijay Kumar Upadhayay, by the turn of ther century, the way things are going…Hindu India will be history and India will simply become an extension of Islamic Pakistan. And at that time, the Judeo Christian powers like US, Israel and Europe won’t be there to save you all from doom ! We are nothing like you primitives. Just look at the Nithari killings in Noida, UP. As for the civilized Christians, Jews and Parsis in India, they are most welcome to the west !
April 18, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Santosh, you have got to be the most pathetic idiot on Earth. I have never claimed to be a Christian. I am a Hasidic Jew. And by the way a little education, if your really know the Bible. Then you should have realized that the Bible comprises of the Old testement ( Jewish Torah) and New Testement, Christs work. So the question does not arise. Don’t exhibit your collosal stupidity !
April 18, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Ignore him Simonitz, Santosh is a typical Brahmin Hindu low IQ myth making blind believer who talks from his ass ! I must thank Newton for adding the clip of koko the gorilla with an IQ of 90, way above the national IQ of Hindu India = 81. Note, Hindus are the clear majority of India. And Brahmins tend to have a monopoly in the education system and yet they fare worse than a mere primate ! I think we must demote the Vedic Brahmin and other RSS assholes below the primate level , right down the food chain ! They can talk the talk, but they can’t walk the walk. The only reason for their mindless drivel is jealousy for the superior Christiandom and a deep sense of shame and inferiority that they’d like to masquerade as mindless arrogance and nonsense as seen in their posts ! Whenever I read such RSS Brahminical crap of hate ideology against us, I just laugh and ignore the crap ! Poor losers !
April 18, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Whatever the Christians do are desperate actions. Their conversion tactics are highly stupid and desperate. The christians think, by doing all this they can increase their numbers.
TAKE IT FROM ME.. Christianity is on the decline and you will have christains eliminated from the face of the earth in the next decade. The people in Americas and Europe are no longer called as assoicated with any religion, leave alone christianity. The small 2% population in India will be wiped out shortly.
I have converted 28 christians to Hinduism in the last four months and a lot many people are doing this as an hobby.
The stupid ways the missionaries adopt to convert to Christanity are coming to light.
The christian priests & missionaries are now the robbers and looters of the poor. The missionaries live in palaces and leave the poor to be poor.
The mass have seen this strategy very clearly and are rejecting christianity as an option.
So the balance of the christians should plan to convert to Hindusim or pack their bags and jump in any of the oceans.
April 18, 2007 at 10:38 pm
Dear Gops ,
Thank you man, you said the truth, i think you know the reality of christians in india, you said a golden sentence:
“The christian priests & missionaries are now the robbers and looters of the poor.”. Its really a true sentence. These christians worms
can nothing do to indian nation
April 18, 2007 at 10:52 pm
Gops the dope(s).Lets say for argument sake that Christianity is eliminated from the duh…face of the Earth, it will occur much after Hinduism becomes extinct and dead from this Universe ! Now to get back to reality….have you booked an appointement with a Psychiatrist ? Keep your social security card, a nearby mental asylum has reported an escaped Hindu Lunatic named Gops ! Oops !
April 18, 2007 at 10:58 pm
Yeah right you Hindu morons living and thriving in Christian America…keep yapping , no one cares. You’ll keep us entertained hahahahah. As for your destructive thoughts on Christianity – in your dreams you silly pussies ! My wife and I are having a good laugh reading your drivel. She never believed it when I showed her and told her about a Gorilla ( koko) being smarter than Hindu Indians. Now, after reading it, she believes me ! Yep, real dumb and stupid…go on make our day, we want more of your silly posts. The Christians and Jews on this website are having great fun ! Good luck oh penis worshipping myth making RSS ( Retrograde Skunky Screwhead) boys !
April 18, 2007 at 11:50 pm
Vikas- Sorry I did not specifically respond to your literary skills. First, while 99.99% of Indian christians have Hindu names, only 0.1% of Hindus may have names such as Bobby or Rocky, etc. Why don’t you change your name to ‘David’ or some such biblical name?
The point is- you are all Hindu converts, and consequently, have low IQs (as per your own statement). As for your happily being married to a white girl- good luck. White girls are knwon to dump Indians they marry in a few years. Good luck to you.
Simonitz Rothstein- No, I did not mistake you for a christian. But the Jews I know really do not care about bible. I know it based on the old testament et al., but that is like a new shampoo from old brand. The ‘new-improved’ shampoo brand now is the unholy Quron. Any comments on that, Mr. Simonitz Rothstein? The Quron says it is blasphemy to call jesus son of God. What say you, Simonitz Rothstein ? Did you have a chat with a Muslim recently about jesus and his status in the heavens? Or do you lack the courage to do so? Hindus are pacific, so we are easy targets for everything.
The point is- Jews have no problems with Hindus, and Hindus with Jews. Don’t you get it? India fully suports Israel, and you should be proud of Hindus. I do not know what your particular problem is with Hindus. The main problem is the BS of old/ new testaments and the Abrahamic faiths that have done so much harm in the spirit of ‘My mighty God is better than yours”
All I have read from the Indian chrstians here- bad language! And, calling me a loser, pathetic, idiot, etc. That is all you can do? Where is the science and logic? I have low IQ? Don’t you know that IQ testing is a fallacy in reality?
2 days ago, a Korean guy kiled 31 people on the campus of Virgiania Tech. The media potrayed him as ‘Asian’, andI cringed. What that means is you and I and every Indian here. Just because you are christian does not mean a damn thing in USA. Brwon skin is brown skin, and that is how you are looked upon by the white people.
While at it- Here is what is a background article on the killer
http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070418/NEWS/704180683/1116
: “Cho indicated in his letter that the end was near, and that there was a deed to be done, the official said. He also expressed disappointment in his own religion, and made several references to Christianity, the official said.”
I wonder why he was disappointed in christianity. Probably jesus did not talk to him?
So far, killings of people in USA- mainly by christian and Muslim nutcases- targeting abortion clinics, bombings, flying planes into buildings, blwoing up trains etc. Nice Abrahamic faiths. Something to write home about.
April 19, 2007 at 9:59 am
Dear Mr and Ms Vikas Dias,
Thanks for your inputs. We had a great laugh at your two notes and I have put it on the notice board in the campus and our offices. You clearly are desperate and have mentioned the true state of christianity. What ever you have said reflects what each and every chrstian is. You are using the Hindus just because you guys are not able to question anyone of your fellow beings. You as a race are packed with cowards with rotten beliefs and try to justify the wrongs.
These silly aggression by folks like you kindle more the true feelings of all Hindus. And I again reiterate my statement ‘ When are you converting back to Hindusism’. I know that you are not a guy visiting churches anyway.
You will find the true peace and a caring attitude when you reconvert back to Hindusism. Till then carry your filthy thoughts… while the rest of christianity convert to Hindusism or perish…
April 19, 2007 at 10:06 am
Mr Vikas Dias,
By the way, I have nothing to do with RSS. I was a ardent Christianity lover till I saw and am seeing the acts of the fellow christians. Somehow I feel the selfishness & aggression have taken roots to the height of stupidity in India, that I believe that Christainity as a concept is no longer valid. No christian is any more loving or caring and all are money minded. So why will anyone follow christianity. The present christians are only name sake. They no more visit churches or do any good to the society. Look at so many Hindu organisations. Look at the contributions they are making to the society. What has any Christian organisation done to the society to improve the conditions of the poor other than self looting and having conversion as a single minded agenda.
You are living in a fools paradise to believe that christianity does good to people. The ground reality is that Hindu organisations do a great deal to the society and poor & the christian missionaries / organisations are selfish, building money for a few scores of people. Try denying any of these.
So when are you reconverting back to Hinduism…..
April 19, 2007 at 11:08 am
yes thats the truth chacko.. you better convert back to Hinduism.. Lead a life in peace and let your forefathers souls have a little bit of shaanthi.
April 19, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Dear Vikas Dias
If will cut your Vik and Di(ck). Finally its remains as + as = ass(Donkey / asshole).
If your are so mentally blinded fool on christians then change your name from vikas dias to some pure christians name do not use any hindu names. Ok.
Better Keep From Vikas Dias to Victor Dias or anything else
April 19, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Dear Gops, The fact the Korean dude was disaapointed with X’ianity was that it did not feed his lust for wrong things like murder, division, oppression and other negative forces. A Killer is a killer so rightly pointed. And thanks Gops, you just proved my point with ur own words, Cho hated or was dissapointed with X’ianity because it was incompatible with his murderous beliefs. Hence, the negative reference towards X’ianity. This implies that Cho thinks like you Hindutva nutcases. And Krishna and other Hindutva morons, you can chant all your negative slokas and mantras against judeo Christianity, but it does’nt change a thing. You can never prove Christ and Christiandom wrong ! However I can prove that you Hindutvas are downright inferior to us Judeo Christians : the very fact that you coolies choose to run away from the failed Hindu Indian state and struggled to eneter the shores of the Judeoi Christian west speaks volumes. This fact has been echoed by mr Goerring, Ms Burley and Newton. I’ll reprise their statments : if you hate it with us Christians and “vile” westerners, please leave America and go back to your Vedic Hindu India. Get lost !
p.s. : by the way, I’m not ashamed of my skin dude…brown and being catholic is cool. I ‘ve got a lovely young Irish American MD (Endocrinologist) as my wife. In my parish, I was popular because of my tanned good looks and my devotion to really integrating with mainstream Christian American culture quite unlike you hypocrites, who die to enter America and yet choose to isolate yourselves from mainstream American culture and then you clowns scream “racism” and victimhood ! You people are no different than those useless black hoodlums and hispanics in inner city areas who are upto no good, live on welfare like parasites and yet have this huge chip on the shoulder, when they burn in envy seeing a smart successful and strong white man or woman. Its blame wgitey for ’em, & in ur case its simply : Blame Christians for all your failures. Get a life LOSERS ! If you’re so dedicated to the Hindu cause , leave the west and work hard to improve India. Hindusim is riddled with more problems than anyother culture..from poverty, corruption, misery, highest HIV cases in the world,Brahminical supremacy and tyranny, laziness and silly practices and rituals that we see everyday in the Indian news media, malnutrition, castesim, evil social practices, farmers committing mass suicides in Mh and AP etc, naxals and Maoists, Islamic ISI terror groups, quota reservations, deviant and peaedophilic hindu priests,child marriages, high incidence of female foeticide therby decreasing the female ratio, dalit and SC oppression, mass illetracy and ignorance, mass image worship and false superstition, poor healthcare, child abuses ( read the papaers more than 52 % of Indian children face abuses- much more than well governed USA and Europe,Nithari gruesome murders and canabalisms, disunity, hindu ISI double agents like Vishal kumar Upadhay etc etc….go back and try solve all these Hindu created or related problems and maybe then I will start developing some sense of respect towards you otherwise double talking hypocrites !
April 19, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Santosh Says:
April 18th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
Vikas- Sorry I did not specifically respond to your literary skills. First, while 99.99% of Indian christians have Hindu names, only 0.1% of Hindus may have names such as Bobby or Rocky, etc. Why don’t you change your name to ‘David’ or some such biblical name?
…check out many girls from predomiantly upper caste families who keep slavic Russian Orthodox or Mediteranean Catholic names like Tanya, Sonia, Celina, Sarah….there’s an actress in B’wood called Celina Jaitley ! As for the BJP actor Dharmendra’s son, Sunny and Bobby deol !
By the way, when we Christians and Jews ( very few left) in India adopt hindu ( mainstream) names, we are only showing the world that we are tolerant and would love to peacefully integrate with the mainstream Hindu community in India. Quite unlike Muslims who so adamantly stick to their middle eastern Islamic first names. You should actually appreciate our gesture. If many Christians keep names like Vikas, Prem, Rohit, etc….it is to be in peace and friendship with mainstream hindu Indians. The Jews go even one step further, note the names of the Ben Yisraeli Jews of Mumbai and the Synagogue in Poona…almost all their first and last names sound like Hindu Maharashtrian names, bothe Christian and Jewish Indians have Indian names, dress, talk and act like anyother Indian. This proves that we are truly secular and are all for a constructive integration. This so unlike you RSS-VHP minded screwballs and those filthy Islamic Pakistan loving muslim traitors ! I’m sure when a cricket match between India and Pak. goes on, we both know which side a majority of Muslims are secretly voting for ? Guess why the ISI in Pakistan has so successfully entered and carried out destructive anti Indian operations in India. How come the same has not happened vice versa ? I can’t understand for the love of God, why you Hindutvas are so damn adamant to pigieon hole peaceful well integrated Christians..I mean are the missionaries as bad as the people who carried out the ‘July 06 Mumbai train attacks, are most Christians you meet as dangerous as the 1993 Mumbai blasts ?
April 19, 2007 at 2:51 pm
To Vikas Dias,
Stop wasting your time. Leave these retards alone. Their intellectual display was humorous to read, with its usual dose of nonsense, fiction, blame game and a complete absence of logic. The truth is they can never prove you wrong. Your are a better man, so don’t argue. Ignore ! By the way, you mentioned Jews in India. I have been to India more than 4 times.
I was in Pune, I think the synagogue you talk about is the Ben Sholomo synagogue in Rastha Pet, Pune city. I’m a Hasidic Jew and was overwhelmed to see the timy Ben Yishraeli thriving there. You should check out the synagogue in M’bai. Its India’s biggest !
April 19, 2007 at 2:51 pm
To Vikas Dias,
Stop wasting your time. Leave these retards alone. Their intellectual display was humorous to read, with its usual dose of nonsense, fiction, blame game and a complete absence of logic. The truth is they can never prove you wrong. Your are a better man, so don’t argue. Ignore ! By the way, you mentioned Jews in India. I have been to India more than 4 times.
I was in Pune, I think the synagogue you talk about is the Ben Sholomo synagogue in Rastha Pet, Pune city. I’m a Hasidic Jew and was overwhelmed to see the tiny Bene Yishraeli thriving there. You should check out the synagogue in M’bai. Its India’s biggest !
April 19, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Dear Vikas,
You are such a confused lot that you are addressing me for messages sent by Santosh.
You are proving my point beyond doubt that christians don’t know what they are doing. They are directionless, can’t read properly and just keep blaming others. When you folks do that remember three fingers still point to you..
Dare reply to my notes… (after reading them properly..)
So, when you are reconverting back…
April 19, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Simple, I’ll reconvert the day you baptise yourself in the Christian church or better still when you return to your Hindu India and live by what your preach. Till then I’ll only see you as another mindless hypocrite who dies to live in the Christian west like a parasite but heart of heart still harbours anti Christian/ anti western sentiments. Looks like you Hindus Shiva Penis worshipping need a sense of direction. I know mine. I always wanted to come to America, and am now living a 100 % American life, with a beautiful American wife and my 100 % loyalty to the United States and her JudeoChristian values !
Oh and when I meant reconvert…I meant reconvert into an even better Christian. Thats because I’ve been missing church services these days…Gops, Oops !
April 19, 2007 at 10:12 pm
Simonitz Rothstein Says:
April 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
To Vikas Dias,
“Stop wasting your time. Leave these retards alone. Their intellectual display was humorous to read, with its usual dose of nonsense, fiction, blame game and a complete absence of logic. The truth is they can never prove you wrong. Your are a better man, so don’t argue. Ignore ! By the way, you mentioned Jews in India. I have been to India more than 4 times.
I was in Pune, I think the synagogue you talk about is the Ben Sholomo synagogue in Rastha Pet, Pune city. I’m a Hasidic Jew and was overwhelmed to see the tiny Bene Yishraeli thriving there. You should check out the synagogue in M’bai. Its India’s biggest !”
Thanks for your kind words Simonitz. By the way I’m from Bandra, Mumbai. In Mumbai, the Roman Catholics, Bene Yishrael Jews and Parsis get along very well. We see ourselves as quite similar and are the best of buddies. Besides, Jews and Christians share a similar faith. Judiasm continues as Christianity ! We’re of the same ancestral father of the Holy land ( Israel)- prophet Abraham. The only groups who are the trouble makers in India are the Islamic Terrorist types and their equally brainless Hindu Brahminical fundamentalist types. Two retrograde brainless schmucks made for each other. The way I see it both these losers spend most of their destructive time killing each other. The BJP Hindutva party here comprises of the Shiv Sena and VHP, whilst the Green crescent circumcised Muslim pigs are traitorous supporters of Pakistan and the Pan Islamic supremacist movt. inspired and funded by Saudi Wahabism.
By the way where are you from in the United States ? I’ll close by saying a Hebrew greeting I used to hear from my Jewish neigbours : “Shalom , Yahudh Yishrael” !
April 19, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Hi Simonitz,
I’m currently based in Los Angeles. Like LA, Mumbai ( where I come from) is the home of the entertainment industry in India – Bollywood ( dominated by Upper Caste Hindus and the Muslim mafia). Take a look at the typical commercial movies and you’ll understand the intellect of a typical brainwashed Hindu/ muslim wanker ! After you see the typical B’wood masala movie, you’ll realize why Koko the Gorilla has a higher IQ than Hindu Indians. Its high time we issue a certificate of insanity to the million Hindu/Muslim Bollywood fans, I would’nt mind including the very very exceptionally few X’ians who even kinda like hindi movies. Hahahahahaha..truth is, they suck !
April 19, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Guys, check out the classic display of the hindu intellect :
Rajesh Kumar Says:
April 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Dear Vikas Dias
If will cut your Vik and Di(ck). Finally its remains as + as = ass(Donkey / asshole).
….Rajesh , as + as = aass, and NOT “ass”. just a simple logic. Something u hindu wack jobs are devoid off ! Looks like you need to go back to the 3rd grade !
April 20, 2007 at 3:40 am
Simonitz Rothstein- Why are so rabid anti-Hindu? Don’t you realize that India is the ONLY country in the entire world where the Jews lived (and continue to do so) peacefully. The history of Jews in christian Europe- you know very well. If you want to be joined at the butt with ‘Vikas’ Dias (not Das?), go right on. But do realize- your great Abrahamic cults one day will be facing off each other (I predict manly chritisna and Muslims).
As for Vikas – Ask your wife to run your endocrine profile. I think your glucocorticoids are shot up, and that is resulting in hypercholesterolemia- blocking your blood vessels to the brain. Add to that, you live in LA- great place for smog, and sexual deviants. I challenge you to walk in Charlestown in Boston- predominantly white Irish town- and see if you survive. Your christian brothers will whip your butt.
As for India being Hindu- I wish. Christians are running the show, via the congress goon party, with Sonia at the helm. Why else would India ban DaVinci Code, and such?
Don’t send your kids (when you beget them) to catholic schools- they will be subjected to pedophile catholic priests. Watch out!
So far, you, Simonitz Rothstein, and the Hitlarian Goerring, all you people wrote so far- foul language laced with obscenities, and interspersed with “This is Jesus country, you Hindus go back”, or Hindus have low IQ! What a laugh. But then, what better entertaining book to read, other than the bible?
Irrespective of what obscene language you use to describe me or any other Hindu- it does not make any impact- quite the contrary- amusing. For your information- the Brahmis are quite the intelligent lot. If you let me know what your speciality is, I bet I can put in touch with a Brahmin anytime- and see if you can beat the Brahmin intellectually.
Finally- Indian christians (along with their biblical brothers, the Muslims) are the worst anti-Indian lot I have seen in USA. They have absolutely nothing good to say about India. They get a good education in India (thanks largely to the tax paying Hindus), get to USA, and start bad-mouthing India. Such is the blood of Abrahamic cults- they will stab you in the back, and present you a bible in front. Very sad- If you forget your vedic roots (after all- you Indian christians and Muslims are all converted), there is no future for you anywhere. It does not matter even if you are married an American endocrinologist. That is not a bid deal at all- Many of my Hindu friends are MDs too, and in great Harvard hospitals in Boston. And they are all married to Hindu MD wives, and many of their Hindu kids are enrolled in one of the 6 great NE medical schools (Harvard, Tufts, U-Mass, BU, Yale, Brown). Eat that.
April 20, 2007 at 9:01 am
dear Christian friends/Vikas Dias
I am copying below a scholarly article on prosytization by C.Alexander who is of Kerala origin and retired from US Army as Colonel. Incidentally Mr Alexander was room mate of Indian president Abdul kalam at St Josephs Trichy.Instead of giving the link I preferred to copy the entire text . Listen, Mr Alexander is adevout chrisian,and see how he repects the indian culture where as our friend VIKAS DIAS has all perverted openion about India and Hinduism.Vikas is incapable of giving any logical explanation on anything other than using abusive language.
Thursday, May 22, 2003
Proselytization In India: An Indian Christian’s Perspective
by C. Alex Alexander
Published on Thursday, May 22, 2003
Since colonial times to the present, the impetus for Christian proselytizing work in India has largely emanated from Western Christian Church groups and missions. The latter’s continuing obsession for promoting religious conversions under the aegis of India’s Constitutional guarantee of religious freedom has triggered a raging debate among religious and political leaders of that country. Many Hindus of the Indian Diaspora have also been drawn into it.
Over seventy years ago, Mahatma Gandhi stated that: “proselytizing under the cloak of humanitarian work is unhealthy, to say the least. It is most resented by people here”. The resentment that Gandhi alluded to has increased in India over the years, mostly due to the persistence of religious conversions engineered by Christian evangelists who derive their financial support from foreign sources. Fundamentalist Muslims too have entered the fray in recent years with substantive financial contributions from Muslim countries interested in furthering the spread of Islam in India. Some Hindu groups have resorted to reverse conversions. All these trends are destructive to India’s time-tested culture of religious tolerance.
The muteness of liberal Indian Christians, both in India and overseas, is indeed surprising. The aim of this essay is to rectify that omission at least in part. I hope that liberal Indians of all faiths will debate this issue with their fundamentalist counterparts in a similar vein to prevent the spread of inter-religious conflicts in that subcontinent. At the end of this essay, I shall present for your consideration a plan for pre-empting the religious militancy embedded in the fundamentalist varieties of both Christianity and Islam.
Though I have been living in the United States (US) for over forty years, I have maintained my moorings in the Indian culture through periodic visits to that country and close interactions with my Indian friends here regardless of their religious affiliations. The gift that I cherish most from my Indian origin and parental influence is one of unbridled religious tolerance. That Indic tradition of allowing people of diverse faiths to seek their own spiritual centering is now under attack in India at the hands of fundamentalists of all religions.
The divisive and supercilious natures of their arguments have given me the impetus to write this article. I am not a religious scholar. But, I do value and cherish the teachings of Jesus as conveyed to me through my early religious influences in my childhood. Therefore, I am able to empathize with the angst of an adherent of any religion when he or she is confronted by the caricature of one’s personal faith as portrayed by a fundamentalist of another religion. Like all my non-Christian friends, I too am annoyed when a well-meaning Christian fundamentalist knocks on my door and asks me whether I am “born-again” and whether I would like to be saved! I can internalize the frustration of a non-Christian subjected to such an intrusive interrogation.
I am well aware that fundamentalist Christians may condemn my views expressed in this article. If they do, I am certain that I will be able to weather their damnation because of my roots in an ancient Christian tradition whose commitment to the tenets of Jesus is no less than theirs. My faith will allow me to forgive their condemnation. I hope that their beliefs will likewise permit them to forgive my interpretations of Jesus’ teachings if they find them to be at variance with theirs.
My religious tradition has always placed more emphasis on the spiritual dimension of Jesus’ teachings than in the establishment of Bible’s historicity. My reading of the history of early Christianity leads me to believe that the Western churches’ obsession for converting others to Christianity is based more on their historical tradition of using proselytization as an instrument of statecraft for the extension of their political and mercantile influences, than in furthering the spiritual welfare of their flocks.
EARLY CHRISTIANITY
The ancient traditions of Christian churches evolved from their native eastern Semitic belief systems. But, most of the currently existing dogmas of Christianity as advanced by the western churches were molded by the impact of Greco-Roman traditions. To this day, the ancient (often referred to as oriental orthodox) churches of Syria, India (in Kerala), Ethiopia, Egypt, and Armenia have successfully shielded themselves from the dogmas of western churches. But, that was not easy in India after the arrival of the European colonizers there.
In 1498 CE, the Portuguese tried and failed in a hostile takeover of the ancient Indian Orthodox Church through intimidation[2]. Again, starting from 1836 CE, the Indian Orthodox Church was subjected to the machinations of the Church Missionary Society (CMS) of the United Kingdom with the connivance of the British Residents who were assigned to the Kingdom of Travencore to serve as Agents of the British Crown[2a]. Such meddling in the internal affairs of the ancient church resulted in the formation of a proselytizing group called the CMS; which is now part of the Church of South India (CSI). Subsequently in 1889 CE; another split in the original Indian Orthodox Church occurred to create a “reformed” group, with an explicit recognition that evangelism is essential for the growth of Christianity. That reformed orthodox group is known as the Mar Thoma Church. Interestingly, that Church’s conversion activities have remained modest and are mostly undertaken outside of Kerala.
The original Indian Orthodox Church too has been buffeted over the centuries by internal feuds. But, they have all been unrelated to theological issues. In 1912 CE, this ancient and original orthodox church splintered to form two separate churches, one known as the Malankara Indian Orthodox Church totally autocephalous with its own spiritual head in Kottayam, Kerala and another called the Malankara Syrian Orthodox Church subject to Patriarchal oversight from the Syrian Orthodox Patriarch in Damascus, Syria[2c]. That division appears to have been based more on issues of autonomy and nationalism than on canonical differences. The Indian Supreme Court was recently drawn into yet another court fight between these two groups to settle issues concerning property rights of their respective churches. The theological beliefs of the original Indian orthodox churches along with their Egyptian, Armenian, Syrian and Ethiopian counterparts as well as the Greek and Russian orthodox churches (known as the Eastern Orthodox) seem to have survived in tact over a span of over 1600 years. They did not develop the same degree of fixation about proselytization as their Western counterparts did.
Unlike the western churches, the oriental orthodox churches did not raise armies or promote crusades as the Bishop of Rome (Pope’s title in early Christianity) did in order to spread Christianity. The oriental orthodox churches seek God realization through the mental disciplines of contemplation and prayer in lieu of dependence on Christian eschatology. From the earliest of times, they exercised moderation in the practice of Jesus’ commandment to spread the “good news or evangelion”. They fulfill their obligation to “propagate” their faiths through natural processes such as births, marriages and the inclusion of those who seek conversion brought about by real changes in their religious convictions. That has remained so for nearly two millennia.
Even in today’s post-Communist Russia with its newly established religious freedom, the Russian Orthodox Church does not look upon kindly at proselytization undertaken by any religious sect. In Greece, its Constitution also prohibits proselytization. Whenever it is flouted by a religious sect, the Greek Orthodox Church seeks governmental intervention to suppress it[3]. I am not holding up either Greece or Russia as a model of democracy. Greece is a theocratic state since Greek Orthodox Christianity is its state religion. It restricts the office of its Presidency to citizens of that faith. But, I am merely citing Greece and Russia as examples of two western nations that do not tolerate proselytization even when they are undertaken by Christian denominations.
The fundamentalist Christians both in India and abroad have been too quick to condemn as draconian the recent anti-conversion legislations enacted by a few Indian states. Proselytization was not a distinctive hallmark of Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches of early Christianity. Jesus himself appears to have condemned proselytization when he said, “woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more than the child of hell than yourselves”[4].
I often think of those verses whenever I hear of mass conversions of Dalits and tribals in India. They often seem to become outcasts twice! It is unfortunate that caste prejudice still persists not only among many Hindus but also among many Christians and Muslims as well. Frequently, it comes out of the closet when matrimonial alliances are considered, even when the two families involved in such discussions are of the same faith. Conversion to Christianity does not seem to eradicate caste prejudice in India any more than it eliminates racial discrimination in the US. Despite Jesus’ call for brotherly love, isn’t Sunday the most segregated day in America? If not, how does one explain the need for English-speaking African-Americans and Hispanics of Christian faith to maintain separate places of worship? Many fundamentalist Christian groups in the US still maintain racial separation and frown upon inter-racial dating.
WESTERN CHRISTIANITY
Christian fundamentalists believe that the prophecies in the Book of Revelation (New Testament) were revealed by the resurrected Jesus to his disciple John when the latter was on the island of Patmos in the Aegean Sea. The religious broadcast media in the United States is a good source for seeing and hearing the vehemence with which the Christian fundamentalists assert that every word in the Bible is true and infallible. A contemporary example of such misguided beliefs is discernible in their views about the military conflicts in Iraq and Palestine. They claim that the establishment of Israel and the war in Iraq are both vindications of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation. During recent months, five verses from that book are frequently cited by biblical literalists as examples of the Bible’s infallibility. Those verses predict the second coming of Jesus after “the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river of Euphrates and the water thereof dried up (so) that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared”[4a] .
The fact that the verses refer to the “kings of the east” crossing the Euphrates is explained away by fundamentalists as mere allegorical reference to Bush, Blair and Aznar. A few of their troop formations did in fact cross the river from the east! Some even point to the uncanny accuracy of the reference to “kings” because of the behavior of Bush, Blair and Aznar. The latter three leaders of democracies did disregard the wishes of their “subjects” when they decided to wage war! So far, so good! But, how does one interpret without concern a subsequent prophecy in the same book which predicts one thousand years of world misery after the way for the kings are prepared and the river gets dried up?[5] The biblical literalists have an answer for that too. It is just another allegorical measurement of God’s time. It may mean a thousand hours, days, weeks or months!
Bumiller, reporting on President Bush’s stance on Iraq stated that he “sees the world as a biblical struggle of good versus evil”[6]. The fundamentalists of all religions seem to believe in the infallibility of their prophets and strive for a historic fulfillment of their prophecies regardless of whether they inflict untold miseries on themselves or their unwitting neighbors. The late Robert K. Merton, one of America’s foremost sociologists eloquently stated that: “a self-fulfilling prophecy is, in the beginning, a false definition of the situation evoking a new behavior which makes the original false conception come true. The specious validity of the self-fulfilling prophecy perpetuates a reign of error, for the prophet will cite the actual course of events as evidence that he was right from the very beginning”[7].
Christian fundamentalists holding on to their blind beliefs in the infallibility of every word in the Bible are not affected by facts such as: (i)there are many versions of the Bible, (ii)Jesus spoke Aramaic and not Latin, Greek or English in which most western Bibles are written, (iii)many oriental orthodox denominations have their own Bibles which are derived from the ancient Aramaic or Syriac translations of the Greek texts, (iv)the Book of Revelation was absent from many early Greek texts of the New Testament, (v)St.Paul’s writings on Christianity are not universally accepted by all Christians, (vi)the Gospels were selectively gathered, (vii)many early versions of the new and old testaments were hand copied with likely human errors of both omissions and commissions, (viii)many original works of Jesus’ associates (Thomas in particular) were discarded by some Christian sects during the first five or six centuries following the death of Jesus, (xi)many such discarded books are still used by other Christian sects, and (x)the first King James version of the English Bible was printed only in 1611 and has been revised seven times so far[8].
Christianity, as practiced by the West, has become insensitive to the emotional violence inflicted on the poorest of the poor when inducements such as free food, medical care, money, and employment are used as baits to engineer religious conversions. It is even worse when intimidations are used to facilitate conversions, as some Islamic nations do. While Christianity and Islam, as practiced by a large majority of their followers, do subscribe to peace, tolerance and non-violence, the daily occurrence of death and destruction based on religious differences in our present-day world highlight the distortions that are perpetrated by militant adherents of these religions. In Saudi Arabia, non-Islamic visitors and guest workers cannot even bring their books of worship or congregate in public places to conduct community worship services. Like their Christian counterparts, Islamic fundamentalists also want to actualize the prophecies in the Koran. Such obsessions to make religious texts serve as passports to heaven are mercifully absent in the non-Abrahamic faiths.
MY CHRISTIAN FAITH
Being a liberal Christian and raised in a non-fundamentalist tradition, I am able to perceive little or no contradiction between the tenets of Jesus and many of the seminal concepts of Hinduism and Buddhism. The priceless affirmation in the Hindu scripture which says “eko sat vipra bahudi vedanti” (one truth, but discerned differently by the wise) is somewhat similar to one of Jesus’ sayings, “in my Father’s house, there are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare one for you”[4b]. Another of Jesus’ sayings which affirms that: “I and my Father are one”[4c] is similar to the Hindu Mahavakya, “Aham Brahmasmi” (I am Brahman). The “born again” attribute necessary for a Christian’s salvation as required by Jesus is no different from the concept of “dwija” or twice-born in Brahman (often misconstrued as Brahmin)[4d].
There are also several references in the New Testament indicating that Jesus and his disciples believed in both karma and reincarnation[4e]. It appears that the belief in reincarnation has persisted over the years, as evidenced by the continuing belief of Christian fundamentalists in the second coming of Jesus. The Acts of Thomas which were excluded from the New Testament, contain concepts prevalent in the advaita of Hinduism[9]. Even the sacrificial nature of Jesus’ assumption of the sins of his followers through his own crucifixion and death is similar to the willingness of adept Hindu Gurus to assume the karmic baggage of their followers. I also find that many of the parables Jesus used in his teachings are strikingly similar to Buddha’s teachings imparted 500 years before Jesus was born[10].
Like the majority of human beings, I too inherited my religion through the faith of my parents. Their Christian roots in India’s Kerala State are very ancient. My family lived very amicably with other religious minorities in a predominantly Hindu environment. I cannot recall even a single instance where I or any of my non-Hindu friends were subjected to any kind of religious discrimination. The Christian faith that I acquired through my parents has been so liberating that I have had no problem in accepting the plurality of worship pursued by others. I was brought up to believe that the practice of one’s faith should be a personal affair and of no concern to others. Jesus himself prescribed it thus: “when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you”[4f].
One of the early explanations regarding the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and the Holy Spirit) that I heard was in the form of characterizing the Father as the eternal truth, the son as an expression of that truth in human form, and the Holy Spirit as the transformation of the latter as agape or unconditional love. Therefore, I have no difficulty in equating the state of bliss posited in Sat-Chit-Ananda with the transcendent bliss invoked through the Holy Spirit. In my mind they are conceptually well correlated: sat is the eternal truth, chit is the consciousness of that truth, and ananda is the bliss experienced through unattached love.
A CALL TO INDIAN CHRISTIANS
In my opinion, most Christians born and raised in India’s diverse milieu are innately liberal and pluralistic in their outlook. Therefore, they should now raise their voices against the divisive activities of the evangelical Christians, especially those that are bankrolled by the Western churches. Failure to do so is likely to do harm both to the religious freedom of India’s minorities and the territorial integrity of that nation. The peripatetic foreign missionaries certainly have no stake in preserving the territorial integrity of India. But, Indians of all religions do. Besides, separatist movements in Northeast India have been suspected of deriving support from foreign missionary groups. Given the sordid history of Western Christianity, eternal vigilance is indeed prudent.
A page from the recent history of East Timor may be appropriate for Indians to review in order to understand the negative potential of offshore proselytization! The indigenous tribes in that island were first converted to Christianity by Dutch and Portuguese missionaries. Then they were helped by the western nations to secede from Indonesia. India may run similar risks if it continues to allow foreign missionaries to have unfettered access to its tribal populations.
If India is to maintain its hard-won nationhood and regain its past level of religious tolerance, all Indians of goodwill must do everything possible now to stifle the voices of religious fundamentalists. Muslim and Christian clerics must learn to tone down their assertions of monotheistic superiority as well as refrain from denigrating religions which do not subscribe to their views of salvation. They must come to terms with the fact that the Hindu perception of God in myriad forms is just as sacred and inviolate to them as the monotheistic concept is to the followers of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
The Christian evangelists and the literal Islamists must also realize that they cannot continue to maintain their exclusive monopolies for marketing the road maps to heaven. Likewise, Hindu organizations should not allow their legitimate concerns about insensitive and duplicitous missionary groups to degenerate into generalized bashing of minorities through acts such as indulging in mass distribution of tridents or creating a climate of suspicion against all minorities. Pluralistic Indians of all religious faiths have an urgent need now to close their ranks and drown out the rhetoric of religious fanatics if they truly want to allow India to emerge as an economic and political power. Otherwise, India will remain a weak and soft State much to the glee of the Western nations.
LIBERAL CHRISTIANS
Liberal theologians of Christianity seem to have no difficulty in conceding that the ultimate truth can be sought through other equally valid religious traditions. If Christianity is to flourish and thrive anywhere in the new Millennium, it needs to heed the calls of its liberal leaders and theologians like Thomas Jefferson, John B. Cobb Jr., James Luther Adams, Paul Tillich, John Shelby Spong et al. If it merely wants to use the faith as a wedge to divide and enslave people as in the past, then it should continue to march to the drumbeats of Christian fundamentalists like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts and Billy Graham.
In 1984, the then Episcopal Bishop of Newark (NJ), John Shelby Spong visited India and wrote the following: “what I learned about Hinduism enhanced my appreciation for this ancient religious tradition. I saw a beauty in it that was enviable, and I found many points where Christians and Hindus are seeking to deal with the same human needs in remarkably similar ways”. He admired the absence of the “spirit of missionary imperialism” in Hinduism and questioned whether or not the “Christian claims to possess infallibility or ultimate truth are not signs of a brittle pettiness that cannot endure”. His writings credited such insights to the dialogue he had with three Hindu scholars at a very old Christian seminary in Kottayam, in India’s Kerala State[11].
While Christian fundamentalists take great pride in establishing the historicity of the Bible, they condemn all scholarly attempts of liberal Christians to study Jesus as a historical figure. They consider all such inquiries to be part of the “devil’s” preoccupation to either misquote or deny Jesus’ teachings. The fundamentalists of Christianity lack the insight to accept the limitations of the human mind to comprehend God. They are quick to condemn all plural definitions of God and ascribe such differences to the ignorance of the “heathens”.
Without any hesitation Christian fundamentalists will concede that Jesus advocated forgiveness of one’s enemies and commanded that an offender be forgiven not “seven times but seventy times seven”[4g]. But, that will not deter them from claiming that their wars are always just because they wage them only to destroy the wicked and the evil! And, God will always call upon them to decide who is evil and who is wicked! The notion that wars are inconsistent to the beliefs inherent in both the Old Testament’s call for the beating of swords into plowshares[4h] and Jesus’ own admonition to his followers not to resist evil has never been of concern to Christian rulers[4i].
Liberal Christians do recognize that during the last 1500 years, the European nations have indeed hijacked and corrupted an eastern mystic’s (Jesus) efforts to replace the then-prevailing Judaic concept of a vengeful God with one of compassion and infinite love. From the early European crusades to the Holocaust, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, Bosnia, Kosovo, and now Iraq, the Judeo-Christian western nations have not shied away from using violence to resolve political and ethnic conflicts despite Jesus’ commandments to abjure violence and promote peace. The victorious nations always justify death and destructions as unavoidable “collaterals” which are inseparable from their Christian obligation to fight evil, promote freedom, or preserve human dignity! The last Millennium’s history is replete with such callous and cynical behavior of Western nations.
From the middle of the mid 10th Century, the western nations seem to have expended great efforts in converting Jesus, a Semite into an Anglo-Saxon. They just could not tolerate letting him remain an Afro-Asiatic, which he was. Astute visitors to any large museum that houses a collection of medieval icons and church paintings can easily discern for themselves the slow conversion of the images of Jesus, Joseph and Mary from their original Afro-Asiatic appearances to those of Europeans. The Western nations not only expropriated the Middle Eastern persona of Jesus and his tenets to fit their Western traditions but they also confiscated the intellectual properties of ancient cultures without giving the latter any credit for their accomplishments.
Such expropriations of intellectual property from traditional cultures continue to occur even today. It is ironic that the Western nations who now demand universal adherence to the sanctity of patents and copyrights are the very ones who committed such plunders in the past. It is no secret that all colonial powers used Christianity as a useful weapon in their arsenal to expand their imperial domains. As Bishop Desmond Tutu often says, “When the missionaries came, they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, ‘let us pray’. We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land”[12].
INDEPENDENT INDIA AND CHRISTIANITY
Since India’s independence, Hindu nationalists have been complaining about the ulterior motives of many foreign missionaries working in India. In recent years, particularly since the late 1980s, such complaints have become more vigorous, mostly as a result of the brazen calls of many western evangelists and the Pope to Christianize Asia. While visiting India in 1999, the Pope openly proclaimed his wish to “witness a great harvest of faith” there through the Christianization of the whole country. It is well outlined in the Pope’s promulgation, “Ecclesia in Asia” which was released during his visit.
Predictably, a group of Hindu religious leaders were outraged. Not only did they ask the Pope to retract his proclamation; but also sought an apology from him for the notorious Goan Inquisition of 1560 CE which was carried out under the dictates of one of his predecessors. While the Pope had no hesitation at publicly praying at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem or apologizing for the past persecution of Jews, he was not willing to throw any such sop to the Hindu religious leaders.
Only recently I became aware of the fact that since 1974, the International Congress on World Evangelization (ICWE) has been quietly developing a grand design to evangelize the rest of the non-Christian world which is known among Christian fundamentalist circles as the “10/40 window” or the Joshua Project. It targets for conversion all those living in countries within the 10th and 40th parallels, truncated longitudinally in the west by the western borders of Africa and in the east along the eastern fringes of Japan. I would like to urge interested readers of this article to visit that organization’s website to fully comprehend the potential impact of such a worldwide conversion campaign[13].
The ICWE is supported by the powerful churches of the west. They have enrolled native agents from all countries within the “10/40 window” to implement the Joshua Project. For India, the ICWE has developed a plan which targets for conversion, 150 communities of Hindu, Muslim and Parsee faiths. The Kashmir region is part of that project. On the same website, there is also a revisionist narrative of the history of Indian Christianity authored by Rev. Richard Howell. It is a classic example of the distortions that take place when vested interests reconstruct historical events. For example, though Rev. Howell concedes that Christianity in India is ancient and “two millennia old”, he is silent on the historically verifiable presence of the ancient Indian Orthodox Church as well as the tolerance shown by the then Hindu rulers (Cheraman Perumals) on the southwest coast of India to a new faith in their midst. He fails to grasp that religious peace prevailed there only because of the non-proselytizing nature of the early followers of Christianity.[13]
When conversions to Christianity took place in pre-colonial India, they occurred more as a result of a true change in religious convictions than through an exchange of material benefits. There is also no mention in Rev. Howell’s writings about the intimidation used by Portuguese rulers in the late 16th Century against the oriental orthodox churches in Kerala to make them submit to the Pope’s authority. Through the use of the Portuguese armada in the Arabian Sea, their padres frequently harassed many orthodox priests traveling in dhows to and from Syria and Persia to India’s southwestern ports at Cochin and Cranganore. There is a well-documented report of the kidnapping of an Orthodox Bishop by the Portuguese while the former was headed to India in an Arab dhow[2b]. The Bishop was never seen again! In 1930 CE, the Pope succeeded in enticing several Indian Orthodox Christian priests to switch sides through an offer of immediate elevation to the status of Bishops in the Roman Catholic order.
The British Residents in India’s former princely states as well as the Provincial Governors of British India actively assisted Christian missionaries from UK and other western nations to continue with their quest to Christianize India. They did that without coming into conflict with their Roman Catholic counterparts who had been on that path since the early sixteenth century. Thus, for nearly four hundred years, the entire Indian subcontinent became available to Western nations for Christianization. Even after India’s Independence, the presence and influence of foreign missionaries in India have remained significant, mostly because of the tolerance of the large majority of Hindus who believe in pluralism. In contrast, the activities of all Christian missionaries in Pakistan and Bangladesh have been vastly curtailed due to the intolerance of Islam to the spread of other faiths.
PROSELYTIZING CHRISTIANS
I am not at all surprised at the emerging rise of Hindu nationalism in India, given the historical experience of the Hindus whose faith had been assaulted first by Muslim invaders and subsequently by European colonizers. Since the citizens of India can now think for themselves, they can demand that they be shielded from intrusive evangelical activities through the use of democratic means.
The Indian electorate has become sophisticated enough to distinguish between acts of selfless service and questionable acts of charity concocted by Christian missionaries involved in conversion activities. Such deceptive behaviors would have been an anathema to Jesus himself because we know that he insisted on not letting even one’s left hand know what the right hand does as charity[4j]. I am also quite perplexed at the silence of liberal Indian Christians when they are confronted by the strident rhetoric of Indian evangelicals like Mr. John Dayal and Archbishop Alan de Lastic of New Delhi. So far, the latter seem to revel more in sowing seeds of discord between Christians and Hindus than in promoting religious amity between Hindus and other religious minorities.
In my opinion, Mr. Dayal showed poor judgment when he appeared before the US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) in Washington DC in September 2000 when the Prime Minister of India (Mr. Vajpayee) was here on an official visit. Mr. Dayal should have thought of the possibility that the timing of that invitation extended to him by USCIRF was not an accident. It is quite likely that it was part of the US State Department’s plan to place the visiting Prime Minister on his defensive and thereby weaken India’s efforts to convey to the American public the destructive consequences of cross-border terrorism aided and abetted by Pakistan.
Parenthetically, I would like to express my dismay here at the absence of representation for Hindus on USCIRF. After all, Christian, Jewish, Bahai and Muslim faiths are represented by Americans on the Commission. But nearly a billion Hindus and another billion Buddhists on this planet have no representation on the Commission despite its claim of being a watchdog for “international religious freedom”. Therefore, I believe that fairness demands that both Hindu and Buddhist Americans get representation on the Commission. The term of most of the Commissioners now on the USCIRF is due to expire in May 2003.
While testifying before the USCIRF, Mr. Dayal vigorously argued against according recognition to Vishwa Hindu Parishad as an accredited UN-Non Governmental Organization (NGO)[14]. His objection remained unaffected despite the fact that many religious organizations representing Jewish, Christian and Islamic faiths are currently accredited to the UN as NGOs. Mr. Dayal demanded that the Indian Constitution continue to honor its commitment to citizens to freely “profess, practice and propagate” their faiths. But, he fails to comprehend the distinction between freedom to propagate a religion and the right to coercively convert people to another faith.
It has become clear to me that religious conversions using material enticements are coercive and therefore ought to be forbidden by law. For years, I used to think that the complaints of many Hindus about the use of economic inducements as a means of conversion to Christianity may be exaggerations until I personally came across incidents such as a Catholic school’s offer to defray the marriage expenses of Hindu girls if they agree to wed Christian boys. Anti-conversion laws may be the only civil means available for Indian states to deter such nefarious conversion activities.
Mr. Dayal’s website also contains articles alleging insensitivity on the part of some Hindu nationalists who “mock and blaspheme virgin birth, resurrection etc.[14]” If it is found to be true, it should be condemned just as vehemently as one should in the case of similar allegations made by Hindu organizations against Christian missionaries who ridicule Hindu beliefs.
Mr. Dayal also complains about blanket discrimination by Hindus against all minorities. He implies that discrimination and religious intolerance are the contributing factors to the reduction of the Christian population of India from 2.9% in 1947 to 2.3% in recent years[14]. But, he neglects to consider the probable impact of family planning measures used by the non-Catholic Christians as a more likely contributor for the small decline in population growth. He is silent on the dramatic declines of Hindus both in Pakistan (25% in 1947 to current 1%) and in Bangladesh (35% in 1971 to current 7%) as well as the rise in India’s Muslim population from 8% in 1947 to its present level of 13%[15] [16]. In view of such demographic changes in that subcontinent, Mr. Dayal’s claim of discrimination of religious minorities in India is not credible. It is disappointing that Mr. Dayal’s website does not contain even a single word of Christian concern for the plight of nearly 300,000 Kashmiri Hindus who were displaced from their homes to the refugee camps of New Delhi[14].
Mr. Dayal equates the Hindutva concept of “one nation, one people, one culture” with the “Nazi-fascism of Europe”. Is not India’s entire people one nation, one people and one culture? Isn’t culture a derivative of multiple factors such as language, climate, diet, habits, music, literature, arts and other traditions with religions playing minor roles at best? No religion by itself can imprint a specific culture on an individual. The western Christian culture is quite different from the culture of the Coptic Christians of Egypt, just as it is with the Indian Orthodox Christian communities of Kerala. The culture of Muslims in Bosnia is not identical to the Muslims of India, Bangladesh or Pakistan. For an Indian of any religion to be offended by anyone’s claim that India is one nation, one people and one culture is baffling to me. Precisely because India is one nation and one people, I hope that India’s present government will finally muster the requisite political courage to enact a single civil code for all Indian nationals as well as develop a uniform system for the management of all its religious places of worship and religious schools.
Having read most of Mr. Dayal’s polemical views and his explanations for the worsening of relations between Christians and Hindus in India, I believe that the 25 million Indian Christians who believe in India’s pluralistic tradition would be better off by not allowing Mr. John Dayal to remain as their sole spokesman. Failure to do so will only result in more acrimony and strife among Hindus and Christians.
Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism originated as offshoots of Hinduism. Their founders were neither crucified nor exiled. The ancient history of India attests to the symbiotic existence of multiple religions in that subcontinent. Religious tolerance has been the norm in India for thousands of years. Therefore, the emergence of religious intolerance there needs to be studied seriously in the context of foreign funding of all religious activities in India. Foreign sources of funding derived by all religious and charitable organizations in India deserve close monitoring by its government just as the US has begun to do with regard to similar organizations registered here.
TOWARDS GLOBAL RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE
Regardless of their religious affiliations, all religious leaders of goodwill can find myriads of theological convergences if they are open to sincere and deep inter-faith explorations. While it is less threatening for the practitioners of non-Abrahamic faiths to undertake such faith-based voyages of discovery, the religious fundamentalists of the monotheistic faiths shun all such excursions.
India and China have a combined population of more than two billions who do not subscribe to Abrahamic faiths. Besides, China is becoming increasingly concerned at the inroads religions are making in that country. Therefore, it may be timely for the two nations to jointly seek an amendment to the UN Declaration of Human rights which will explicitly forbid religious conversions attempted through physical coercion or material inducement[17]. Western democracies which advocate a strict separation of church and state should be challenged to lend their support for such a measure, more so because of the emerging menace of Al Queda and its philosophical stance steeped in Koranic literalism which argues for the world-wide establishment of ‘sharia’, the law of Islam[18].
Therefore, I would like to propose further that secularists of all religions everywhere mount a vigorous campaign to limit full membership status and voting rights in the United Nations (UN) to countries that are truly secular. Theocratic nations should be encouraged to amend their Constitutions to reflect their secular status if they aspire to become full members of the UN. The US and many other western nations should also find such a proposition to be in tune with Jesus’ advocacy to “give unto God what is God’s and to Cesar what is Cesar’s”[4k].
The US is particularly well poised to take the lead in such a move since the first amendment to the US Constitution explicitly erected a wall of separation between the church and the state. Thomas Jefferson, a liberal Christian President of the US, recognized very early the deleterious impact of religion on a pluralistic America which was then getting established. Writing about religion, he said that its negative potential “has been severely felt by mankind, and has filled the history of ten or twelve centuries with too many atrocities not to merit a proscription from meddling with government”[19]. He also objected to religious conversions rather strongly when he said that: “were the Pope, or his allies, to send in mission to us some thousands of Jesuit priests to convert us to their orthodoxy, I suspect that we should deem and treat it as a national aggression on our peace and faith”[20].
India and many other nations are facing similar challenges today from both fundamentalist Christians and militant Islamists. If liberal Indians of all religions do not speak up and challenge their fundamentalist counterparts, India’s precious tradition of religious tolerance will become a mere footnote to its ancient history. Likewise, if there is no worldwide effort to contain theocracies and ostracize the militants of all religions, the new millennium may indeed witness many clashes of civilizations.
The UN may in fact be the last best hope for mankind to usher in a peaceful world devoid of religious upheavals. The liberal adherents of all religions are now at the crossroads of a crucial choice. They can either remain silent and permit their fundamentalist minorities to fan the flames of religious conflicts, or speak out against them and insist on religious tolerance as the only legitimate road to a peaceful world. As a Christian nurtured by the pluralistic tradition of India, my choice continues to be the latter.
April 20, 2007 at 9:41 am
Let’s take a vote here.
I regard Vikas Dias a nut and a mad guy who has gone beserk. He is an anti Indian leave alone an anti Hindu.
If Vikas has the guts, let him change the Indian name to some other name. Being pro
American, let him forego all connections to India.
Little does he realise sitting in his shit pot in Los Angeles that Americans are queing up to learn yoga and other Hindu arts and culture including Ayurveda. The latest is the huge interest shown by Americans in the herbal cure for cancer found in India.
In a decade from now 70% of filming and back room work for Hollywood will be done in India. Already the car companies in US are closing down. Any compnany not having an Indian connection is to close shop in the near future.
So Vikas can sit comfortably in his shit pot and write anti Indian notes and anti Hindus notes.
The art and culture of India is here to stay and spread to the rest of the world.
More people realise that’s the true form of peace and prosperity.
No other religion other the Hinduism shows the need for tolerance, modesty and humility. These are the traits which will see the demise of all other religions and you will see that Indianism and Hinduism are the only surviors.
April 20, 2007 at 10:55 am
Dear Gops and Achu and Real Hindus,
Who all wrote there comments i am really glad and thanks to them.
April 20, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Dear Achu, Gops, Rajesh Kumar et al- Thanks for the excellent input. We made a case for tolerance, and deficits of Abrahamic cults. If these Abrahamic cultists have any sense they will stop bullying the world into submission.
I often wonder if the jesus cult was discovered by Africans, would the white man adopt that faith andspread it like a virus, wiping many native cultures? Of course not. That is why they made jesus a blond haired, blue eyed man. In his image we are made, they say, but turn around, they are the ones killing others, as well as each other.
The Indian chhristians and Muslims are the ones who are ‘namak harams’. They are like the pet snake that bites the hand that fed it. They spew psyhobable of the bible and quron. Then they start bad mouthing India, and Hinduism.
The only decent descendents of Abrahamic cults- Indian Jews. Indian Jews who have migrated to Israel have banded together as Indians, and have nothing but respect for India, and Hindus. This is in contrast to the hassidic jew, Simonitz Rothstein, is a rabid dog. It is because of jews like him I suspect there is so much of anti-semitism in Europe. If I meet more people like Simonitz Rothstein, I may become totally anti-Jewish myself. Jews such as Simonitz Rothstein should know by now, you need every friend in the world to support Israel. So watch what you say about Hindus. If you have nothing good to say, remain silent, as the old adage goes, and that applies to you, Simonitz Rothstein.
India is emerging as a formidable economic power, hence the rush by christians to convert Hindus in India. Europe as a christian continent will be dead in 50 years. USA will not have European allies to wage wars, as Muslims dominate in Europe, support for USA will dwindle. These are facts. Hinduism will not be wiped out. We are spreading the Vedic culture now world-wide. We are in a very comfortable position in regard to Dharma and truthfulness, and need not kee-tow to anyone anymore.
I am not posting here anymore. Just a waste of time. Those of us who are in Western countries, we know who we are, and we will continue to spread the spirituality and tolerance of our Vedic roots, and respect for out motherland, India. As for people like Vikas Dias, he needs to be reprogrammed with nanobots injected into his brain. Either that, or his miraculous jesus will wipe us Hindus out, and Vikas will prevail.
April 20, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Yes Santhosh, you aid the truth they are like pet snake one are other day they will bit the poor hindus in india. Please to all hindus try to understand the facts .
I say only one thing
“First, know it, then think it, and do it”. Please keep these mantra in you mind, know the truth, think which is good or bad and proceed in your life. I bet it will safe guard your life.
From past millions years to future millions year Hinduism was there , is there and will be there till the planet earth its self destroyed.
April 21, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Christianity is known for making fun of and belittling other religions. I’m sure that if Holy Book said that Christianity was demonic and evil and that you and your family members will burn in eternal damnation, Christians wouldn’t like it very much either.
Also, I’m sure that if that same group of people, who also believe in talking snakes, talking donkeys, a staff can can turn into a snake, and that fire-breathing dragons existed (because their holy book says so), said that you and your religion are Satanic, and that it spread the words of Satan, the ultimate evil, nobody would like that very much as well.
I’m recopying this from posts 140-142, to make it more visible.
Might some of these passages, from the Bible, be characterized as hate speech.
Exodus 22:20: “He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.”
Isn’t mentioning the genocide of non-Christians, a form of hate speech?
Psalms 79:6: “Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name.”
Don’t you think that calling for the genocide of all those who follow other religions outside of Christianity, might be a form a hate speech?
John 8:44: “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
Here Yeshua (aka Jesus) says that those who don’t follow him are sons of Satan. Don’t you think that calling those you don’t follow Yeshua, the son’s of Satan might inspire some hate?
1 Corinthians 10:20-21 “But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.”
Here Paul writes that Gods of other religions are demons.
Don’t you think that saying that the Gods of other religions are demons might create some religious intolerance?
1 Thessalonians 2:14-15: “…ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.”
Don’t you think that a passage the says Jews killed the Son of Jehova, might create some anti-semitism?
Wouldn’t it make sense that anyone who believes in a Book with these passages would have some tension with people who did not believe in a Book with these passages?
Might some of these passages be characterized as hate speech?
You can find more of these passages at EvilBible.com.
Don’t you think that a religion that calls for the Genocide of innocent men, women, and children with a God, Yahweh, that calls for innocent people that don’t believe in him to be killed, might cause some tension?
April 21, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Pamphlet Distribution: Southern Tamil Nadu
Evangelists use existing elements of Hinduism to misguide followers into converting to Christianity. Recently Christian zealots have begun claiming that various Vedic Sanskrit slogans were in praise of Jesus and not Hindu Gods. Christian propaganda pamphlets and booklets in circulation especially in and around Madurai district in Tamil Nadu also make the ludicrous suggestion that the revered Swami Vivekananda had asked the people to worship Jesus. The pamphlets, which have been put in circulation by the Madurai-based Infant Jesus Hospital (headed by Rev Fr. Caleb), also fraudulently invoke verses from the holiest Hindu scripture, the Bhagawad Gita, saying that they preach against idol worship. In fact, the pamphlets go as far as to decree that ‘people should not follow any other faith other than Christianity’. The highly inflammatory pamphlets, delivered by Christian converts (primarily women), have been appearing at nearly in Southern districts of Tamil Nadu in the hopes of misleading a few gullible souls.
This your god said to do what a shameful act by you cheap christian in india.
April 21, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Examples of the verses that have been deliberately mistranslated:
Om Sri Brahma Puthraya Nama reads as ‘I worship Jesus, who came to the world as God’s son (Yowan 3:16.17)’.
Om Shri Dakshina Murthaya Nama reads ‘I worship Jesus who is sitting on the thigh of his father (Yowan (1:18)’.
Taking specific mantras from Sama Veda, the Christian marketers say ‘Om Sri Panchakaya Nama refers to Jesus, the one with five wounds (panchakaya) Yowan 20:25.27. Om Sri Ummathiya Nama is translated as ‘I hail one born to the holy spirit’ (Mathew 1:18).
The mantra from Brihat Aranyako Upanishad (Asathoma sadhgamaya, Tamasoma Jyothirgamaya…) is laboriously expanded and explained to mean that Jesus is leading as the light of the world. And the ‘explanation’ goes on to add: ‘there is a word-to-word answer in the Bible to every prayer in the Upanishad’.
In a seeming translation of a verse from Neethicharam, the pamphlet says that ‘those fools who worship statues made up of stone, wood and metal would beget nothing other than misery and would not be pardoned’.
The pamphlets invoke Swami Vivekananda and say that he wanted hundreds and thousands of Christian religious workers to come to India so that the preaching of Jesus could go to the hearts of all Hindu people.
April 21, 2007 at 4:55 pm
Vikas Dias Says:
April 19th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Guys, check out the classic display of the hindu intellect :
Rajesh Kumar Says:
April 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Dear Vikas Dias
If will cut your Vik and Di(ck). Finally its remains as + as = ass(Donkey / asshole).
….Rajesh , as + as = aass, and NOT “ass”. just a simple logic. Something u hindu wack jobs are devoid off ! Looks like you need to go back to the 3rd grade !
To Vikas,
Hahaha, very true Vikas. As I said, any debate with the numbskull Hindutvas on this board is futile. I’ve been to India more than 4 times, seen it all and I know the truth. Anyway :
as + as = 2as ( thats fundamental algebria) – a cardinal cognissance of Polynomials will make you understand that. Hence, the corollary to a formula : a + b = 2ab. With a which may or maynot be as two seperate entities.
but if your not strictly Mathematical, one could logically argue that “as” + “as” = aass, with both “a” and entity “s” as common denominators to the product matrix of both entities.
You’re absoluetly right. Rajesh as proved once again that by posting his “formulation” dissecting your name and surname, i.e. “as” + “as” = ass, he ( Rajesh) is the real dumbass !
Quite right, looks like our German friend, Goerring was correct : ” a Hindu mind is an Oxymoron” !
April 21, 2007 at 5:04 pm
“By the way where are you from in the United States ? I’ll close by saying a Hebrew greeting I used to hear from my Jewish neigbours : “Shalom , Yahudh Yishrael” !”
To Vikas Dias,
Mia Shalom, Tho’dha ne’yim to you too brother ! I’m impressed with your Hebrew.
Ok, I hail from Brooklyn, NY. My dad was a “cantor” at our synagogue. I am a Mathematics major and am just a few months away from completing my PhD. I had also done a degree ( BA) in world history. So yep, technically, you could call me a Mathematician and/or a Historian ! Haha.
Anyway, before I leave. Here’s a new Hebrew expression for you “nu” :
Ma’a Shloum Kcha !
April 21, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Alright ladies and gentlemen. I have below a “spoof” of an interview I had with a VHP-RSS NRI leader, Mr Ramakrishna in the United States. Mind you even though this intreview maybe a “spoof”, its based on reality, and gives you / exposes the facts behind the selfish, hypocritical and destructive motives of a Brahminical instigated communal divide and tensions of the otherwise Secular, republic of India. They attempt to blot the constitution of India !
Vikas Dias : Can you tell us what Hinduism ( more specifically, Brahminical/upper caste instigated “Hindutva”) is all about ?
RamaKrishna ( RK) : Simple u see. Juz like you Judeo X’ians have the 10 commandements, Buddhism has the 8 fold path to Nirvana and Islam has the 5 pillars. So do we “hindutvas” have our own divine ” 5 PRINICPLES OF THE HINDUTVA”
PRINCIPLE NO. 1 : HYPE / IMAGE WORSHIP.
eg : The myth called “team India” dominated by overrated n underperforming upper caste weak losers like Tendulkar and Ganguly etc. These guz are glorified and worshipped as “Bhagwans” in India. We do pujas for ’em blindly believing that our myth – team India is the best team and invincible. But evertime they lose ( almost all the time for the past 4 yrs or so)our “bubble universe” bursts open to expose our weakness. The same applies to our crass silly no talent Bollywood stars, corrupt politicians & ofcourse this blind mythological cult called Hindutva !
PRINCIPLE NO.2 : MYTH & UNFACTUAL FANTASY.
This is the core essence of our hindu universe. Our “bubble universe” is the antonym of reality and facts !
PRINCIPLE NO. 3 : BLATANT HYPOCRISY & DECEPTION.
Ok, this is big. For eg: we do this algorithmically in steps :
– we instill our kids to fight tooth n nail so that they desperately die to get to the Christian lands( USA, Europe, Australia, NZ etc). This because we hindus are desperate to escape our failed Vedic Hindrashtra ( our noble Vedic India is nothing more than a big crummy stinky dungheap !) and seek refuge and comforts in the superior X’ian west. I mean the X’ians got the best education, technology, power, MONEEEEEY and the most superior civilisation. Not to mention those lovely beautiful yummy gorreeees, kya malai maal yaar ! Take a look at Hindutva, and all you see are duh…Uma Bharati and Susham Swaraj, chee chee. But,the X’ians have got the hottest women, even in India…like your Sarah Jane Dias, who was cromned Miss India world just this month !
– Now, once we get to the west and live like parasites on the X’ian’s benovelence/ generosity…we cooly work against our hosts and abuse their hospitality. We curse these X’ians and act ill against ’em.
Our motto : Use n abuse !!!
So we use this PRINCIPLE NO. 3 i.e. Hypocrisy in escaping India and getting to the X’ian west.And, deception : remember when we same Hindutva types stand in loooong lines at the US consulates begging for a visa. We use all our ingrained deception skills to convince the Christian Gora sahibs that we’re all for the X’ian west/USA and we are compatable with America. But once we reach America, we show our true colors !
Also we abuse the well meaning X’ian missionaries & financial charity orgs. to uplift/enlighten our oppressed fellowmen, although we never fail to use their fantastic excellent convent schools, charity MONEEEY and other aid. Hey, but when our Ischikon- Hare Krishna monkey dancing missions chant their bhajans in the streets of LA or NY or other cities in the west, its perfectly OK ! Therefore we practice what we preach : MINDLESS DECEPTIVE HYPOCRISY !
PRINCIPLE NO. 4 : ILLOGICAL MINDSET.
This includes the zillion superstitions to ridiculous limits and the lack of accepting critical research ( like the Vatican does) & hard historical facts based on reality !
Eg: A homoerotic man’s ( Shiva) penis and a blue skinned flute playing, skirt chasing, greedy buttermilk stealing juevenille freak ( krishna) include a looong list of our “Gods” we worship ! Believe it or Not !
PRINCIPLE NO. 5 : INDUCING BLIND BELIEF TO THE MASSES.
I don’t need to explain, juz look at our thousands of freaking fantasy characters who pass off to be our “Gods” …they may range from a Man’s phallus to your Beef ( Ghaimatha) !!! Double whammy.
intreview to be contd…..
April 21, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Intreview ( spoof) with Mr Ramakrishna aka Ramu contd…
Dias : Ok ! that explains why most of u mythmaking gurus of bullshit ( I guess in ur case “cowshit”) are so found of berating people like X’ians who oppose these very “5 foundation principles of Hindutva ” . Any comments ?
RK : Oh yes ji, u see, these evil X’ian missionaries are the ones we hate, they’re soo baad & a major threat to our selfish cause ! We encourage our “karsevaks” to use all forms of violence & unethical threats/robberies/rapes and attacks on Priests, nuns, Missionaries and X’ian folk.
Dias : Hmmm… Strange Mr. Ramakrishna, can I call us ramu for short ?
RK : Oh yesji, will do.
DIas : Yeah Ramu, why would you harm these miniscule tiny and harmless missionaries. I mean everyone knows they are unarmed, don’t use ammos or weapons etc to commit acts of aggression ! All these righteous simple souls do is goto rural villages etc and help uplift /educate , spread the Good word of the Holy Bible of Christs message of love, service and charity and provide care n support to the otherwise ignored poor dalits, tribals n other oppressed folks , juz look at the numerous Mother Teresa’s charity orgs. Eg : do u know that the X’ian missionaries ( Jesuits) were the first people to financially help the poor farmers of Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh ( who were otherwise committing mass suicides of despair)…ur so called Hindu Charities were nowhere to be seen. Looks like they ignored their kind and escaped for a comfy living to the Streets of USA and UK to dance and chant Hare rama Hare Krishna ! Comment.
RK : Oh ! how dare u say like that ji ? These missionaries maybe unarmed, honest n decent souls, n thats what we hate…duh..I mean….
( Psst pssst…can u turn off the tape, I wanna go off record. Please, It’ll only take a minute !)
Dias : OK ( I pretend to turn the tape “off”…but its still “on”)
RK : Ok, u see, its the truth we’re afraid off ! Historically. for more than 5 millenia. We have used our Hindutva PRINCIPLE NO. 1, as applied to us upper castes. We then created PRINCIPLE NO. 2 i.e. fairy tales and myths like the Ramayana and Mahabharata….we then applied our PRINCIPLE NO.3 to the masses, formulating a false “Varna Caste system”- probably history’s biggest hoax !…This ensured that we Brahmins n Upper castes could foster PRINCIPLE NO. 4 , and we then enforced PRINCIPLE NO. 5 amongst the masses…thus we could perpetually dominate n oppress the Dalits/Shudras and SC’s etc. So far till now, we’ve promulgated ignorance, illogical blind beleif in our mythical “make believe” Fictitious “Gods”. Ignorance is bliss , u see ! The more foolish the common masses, the better our chances of remaining in power. We can thus continue with our tyrannical power play and corruption in India !
But sadly, these Bloodeeee Missionaries are enlightening and uplifting the very same Dalits/ Sc’s whom we treat worse than inhuman cattle. These X’ians are educating the so far oppressed Dalits etc on their rights as human beings ,so that they too can walk with their head held high ! This will expose our age old grand scam ! Its rapidly happening in quite a few places, I’m afraid. Once it reaches critical point : “thats when the shit hits the fan, and our Hindutva asses will be in the frying pan” ! We’re doomed if not by this, then by the Islamic menance and Maoist, naxalite terror in India. We’re done for !
Dias : Pheew…Boy that lasted more than a minute. Can I turn the tape “on” now ? ( I smile within )
RK : Oh yes ji, please do..hahahahaha.
Dias : Hey Ramu, if peaceful X’ians are such a “threat”, than, how come u don’t seem to attack the much BIGGER threat to Hindu India – the Islamic- LeT-ISI terror ?
RK : ( grinning like a lame jackass)…uh..ehh.duhhhhh, you seeee ! uhhh….if we attack the mussies like we do to the harmless X’ians. Then our ass will be on fire. The fanatical, cohesive, violent muslim savages will kick our asses, like we saw Post Godhra terror attacks in temples and public places to as recent as the ’06 Mumbai train blasts. We dare not offend them. As for the X’ians, we all know they’re peaceful n harmless/unarmed. Most important they are in far too minute numbers, so we choose to “pick on them !”
Dias : OK ! So you mean you “hindutvas” ain’t got the balls to face a violent ( also minority) frenzied crowd who are quite similar to you nutters, but much worse i.e. Muslims. But then, its perfectly “OK” to senselessly attack a minute peaceful, harmless and productive community like the Christians ! Right ?
RK : uh…duhh….eehhhh…aaahh…uh..duhh ( seen scratching his head and avoids eye contact )
Dias : Uh..duhh..eehh….whats that gibberish, Mr Ramu, confused ?
RK : ( gives a lame smile)
Dias : Now Ramu, talking about NRI-VHP types. The Jewish Israelis have made fun of Hindu sites like Varnasi, Benares etc in their Press at Tel Aviv, Jerusalem ..quite recently. This was due to an incident where a young Israeli couple were harassed & fined by the Brahmin priests for kissing infront of a temple site at a Hindu Holy site. The Israeli tourists hate the Northern Indian Hindu sites & almost all of ’em who come to India prefer to visit and chill out in Catholic dominated Goa ( voted India’s No. 1 state many times as seen in the Times of India mag).
Now, can you explain why the “hindutva” retards in the USA / India have said nothing against them ? You should read & speak to many Jews and believe me you’d hate to hear their honest opinions on the Vedic Hindu culture ( excepting Yoga and spicy curries). I mean, Christ & the the apostles founding fathers of X’ianity) were all Jewish. The Christianity that u hate so much is simply an extension of Judiasm.
RK : ( smiles like a jackass again)…uhh, u see ji. If we Hindus say anything or even raise a finger against those vile Jews ( the mother religion of Christianity), then we know we’d get our asses kicked. The powerful Jewish lobby in Washgtn DC would not spare us ! Tommorow, even if a Jewish senator calls me a “hindu Macaca monkey” and spits on me..I ( like the typical shameless, selfish, cheapskate Brahmin that I am) will instead kneel down, lick his boots and say Sorry “saar” ! I’ll then use the age old Brahmin formula, which we use to get cosy withn powerful lobbies like the Vatican, Jews, Bun’berg , etc, we’d act subservient to ’em & “maska maro” them for our survival n selfish interests. Just like we did to our Christian British Masters 200 odd years ago & we were responsible for selling India and its fellowmen down the drain.
interview to be contd…….
April 21, 2007 at 7:19 pm
intreview contd….
Dias : Ok, but do u realize Ramu. Whenever U talk ill against X’ianity. You are only testing the patience n tolerance of the world’s most powerful lobbies such as the Bilderberg council ( the most powerful lobby of European monarchs, American industrialists, world bankers and keepers of Christiandom), The Catholic Vatican, EU, CIA sponsored and associated Jesuits ( who incidentally run most of India’s elite convent schools, hospitals and other Universities etc), Opus Dei, FBI, The Rockefellers, the many right wing Protestant conservative lobbies, US sponsored charities such as CARE, UN relief) and thousands of other big n small time X’ian based charities and financial aid givers to India.
When they’ve just about had it with people like u ( remember Narendra Modi, CM Gujrat also responsible for some anti X’ian activities)- well he has continously been denied a US visa – whatta humiliation ! Don’t forget, some of India’s best medical centres ( CMC Vellore- India’s No. 1 medical institute, MMM -Madras Medical Mission, the best in Asia run by Asia’s No. 1 Cardiothoracic surgeon and one of the world’s finest Dr Joseph Cherian), MIOT – Chennai ( Run by Asia’s No. 1 Orthopedic surgeon and the best Ortho-trauma centre in Asia)St John’s Medical College and Hospital , Bangalore, )..numerous elite schools and Universities like St. Xaviers, Mumbai, St Stephen’s Delhi, XLRI, Stella Maris Chennai etc are all run by X’ians !
…Now take a deep breath and analyse with a cool mind : what would happen if you pissed all these people off ?
Thats when THE SHIT REALLY HITS THE FAN ! I can’t imagine the status quo of the Hindutva then ???…. a complete decimation / anhilation would only be the 1st phase of your Hindutva or Hindurastra ! Sad but true Mr. Ramu…. !
RK 😦 seen wiping beads of sweat from his forehead)……oh oh oh uhhh….I I I I understand saar ! Aaarre, all this anti X’ian gimmicks is only temporary yaar. See, take a look ar our PRINCIPLE NO. 1 AND 3. Its all HYPE & DECEPTION. Once, we get the stern message from the X’ian might….we’ll steer clear of our foolish anti-X’ian acts. Promise ji ! Yesuraj zindabad ! Jai Yesu Christi !!!
…See, don’t I sound good now ?
Dias : Yeah thats much better, Ramu ! Ok, now before we end. Can u tell our viewers, why does Hindutva promote so many false, imaginary fantasy “Gods” of ridiculous proportions like Ganesha, Hanuman, Rama ( the guy who doubted his wife’s chastity, pretty stupid) & yep, Shiva Linga ( phallus). I mean, since these hindu “Gods” are so freaking comic book like unreal, could I then add my own mythical comic book favorites like “Spiderman” and “Batman” into ur loong Hindu Poly”Gods” list ? Come to think of it, Ramu. Its great business-franchise. Heck, Hollywood is banking on ’em for years now. See the opening of the latest “Spiderman 3″…word on the street is, its gonna rock big time man !….And, I sure smell MONEEEY ! Any final words Ramu ?
RK : Oh yes ji, hahaha….most definately. As I said the very belief om all our Poly”Gods” is based on the Hindutva PRINCIPLE NO. 2 – NO NOT SHIT ! I mean, MYTH MAKING! Nevertheless, a real shit indeed.
And why not : Spiderman, batman..they’re all welcome into our poly”list” ! Great idea about the franchise from Hollywood, Vikas. As soon as I return to Ayodhya…the first thing we’ll do is create a new mandir : ” SPIDERMANSHRI MANDIR”…Jai Spidermanji ! Hare Om Sree Spidermanji ki jai ho ! Hare om !!! Aur, Jai Batmanji bali ! Jai Angelina maa !!! OOoops ! Sushma Swaraj and Uma Bharati will kill me…yeiiieeeeks ! I better run saar….see you byeee.
Dias : Bye, Namaste and don’t let the door hit you on ur way out ! Now buzz off Jerk !
April 22, 2007 at 1:57 pm
There is only one treatment for Vikas Ba…rd. Hammer CROSS to his ASS.
April 22, 2007 at 7:21 pm
Vikas,
You know Jesus’ 18th wife was your wife 20 centuries back. With a cross on your back, happy screwing…
April 22, 2007 at 10:52 pm
Hahahahaha. Vikas my dear boy. You have won the argument against these Hindu numbskulls hands down. That was cool ! It is so true and parallel to my studies and observations about the many demerits of the Caste system and Hinduism on the whole. The incident about the Israeli couple being harassed was taken as a negative attitude by many Jews on these Hindu morons. Again, excellent work, keep it up ! Shalom.
April 23, 2007 at 10:14 pm
Whoa Vikas Dias..blow me off that was cool ! You sure are one smart man, dude ! I guess you’ve really put these silly dothead Hindu idiots back in their place. I’ve read some of the posts for a while. I must say that I’ve never ever come accross such a silly and non factual post as that of some asshole called Santosh. I just wonder, if he ever realizes how wrong he is !
I can bet you a hundred bucks on the spot, that this retard Santosh is some loser with a history of mental problems. he is way too delusional and confused for a normal citizen. Maybe they could do good to deport creeps like him and get in more Indian Christians and Jews in place of the deported Hindus and Muslim scumbags. Trust me most Americans feel this way. The only reason most of us mainstream yanks prefer to tolerate the scum is due to political correctness.But once this PC fad fades away, that will be the day when a clear majority of Americans will gladly take up the job of forcibly deporting most of these inferior Mulsims terrorist douchebags and the filthy curry smelling stupid Hindu apes ourselves. And judging by the way things are…that day ain’t too far !
April 23, 2007 at 10:28 pm
And talking about our “great Hindu minds”. check this out guys :
“achu Says:
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:57 pm
There is only one treatment for Vikas Ba…rd. Hammer CROSS to his ASS.”
VIKAS SAYS :
Tell me logically, how can anyone “hammer” a “cross” into someone’s ass ( butt) ? I’ve never heard of it nor is it practically concievable ? Assuming that achooo(sneeze, I’m stupid-achu) meant the real big cross used for Christ’s crucifixion ! What achoo..I mean schu should have said is “hammer” a nail into the cross. You can nail someone to a cross, but you can never actually nail a cross into someone. Well, what can you expect from such morons who believe in shit like Elephant headed fat ass “Gods” like Ganesha and the Homoerotic man, Shiva’s Penis as a thing to worship as a “God”….ehhmmm..You understand ? This proves time and again. TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING AS RIDICULOUS AS HINDUISM IS THE SAME AS BEING MENTALLY INSANE AND A COMPLETE IMBECILE ! And you guys wonder how a Primate like Koko- the Gorilla has an IQ higher by a good 9 points than Hindu Indians !
…ANOTHER DYSFUNCTIONAL “HINDU MIND” :
“Gops Says:
April 22nd, 2007 at 7:21 pm
Vikas,
You know Jesus’ 18th wife was your wife 20 centuries back. With a cross on your back, happy screwing…”
….MAKES SENSE ?? Well, the inarticulate and incoherent post is a clear clinical symptom of congenital ( maybe due to prepartum Viral fever)mental retardation ! To “Gops”, Oops : THERES STILL TIME, FIX AN APPOINTEMENT WITH A SHRINK ( PSYCHIATRIST), IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO DO SO. THATS OKAY, SIMPLY CONTACT THE NEAREST CHRISTIAN RUN SALVATION ARMY FOR REFUGEE AND AID ! GOODBYE AND TO YOUR SCREWED UP CEREBRUM – HAPPY SCREWING !
April 23, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Vikad Ba rd,
You Might have spent the whole day thinking how will we do that?You are an idiot also .It is very easy .Let the cross have a better use.You will not understand any language other than this.
HI Newton, you are a nut!!!
April 24, 2007 at 2:25 am
I read the scholarly article generated by this moron, Vikas (certainly an injustice to the name). Quite frankly, my 5th grade nephiew writes better. Add to that, this hassidic jew (acid jew?), Simonitz Rothstein, who claims to be doing a Ph.D. in mathematics (what a loser, he will be hunting for a job soon, and will find out all math jobs have gone to Hindus), chanting the prasies of Dias. Then, this idiot Newton cips in, making absolutely no sense about deporting all Hindus! What a bunch. I wonder how Newton is going to kick us out? I would like to see that, even if the climate permits that, is he going to be like this jesus freak who killed 32 people on VT campus? Newton, watch out. You are treading on thin ice man. First, get a job andpay taxes like the Hindus are doing. As for the maggot hassidic jew, I will ship him to Porkistan- see how he likes to meet people who did in Daniel Pearl. These hassidic jews are dangerous lot, and belong in Middle East, next to Muslims.
April 24, 2007 at 10:24 am
“I read the scholarly article generated by this moron, Vikas (certainly an injustice to the name). Quite frankly, my 5th grade nephiew writes better.”
“nephiew” ?
…Ok ! Achoo ( sneeze coz I’m stupid-achu)..talking about writing skills and your nephew. Looks like you need to go back to the 1st grade, coz you can’t spell a simple word like “nephew” !
Continue to exhibit more of your ehhmmm…”hindu intellect”, bring it on Bit*h ! We’re enjoying it. Maybe, as Goerring says : you can go back to your blue skinned freaky “Shiva” and suck his “Linga” ! What a loser !
April 24, 2007 at 10:32 am
I apologize for the mistake…the above post is addressed to “Pillai” and NOT “achu” ! To Pillai, get a life. Hinduism is and will be the first religion ( if you can actually call it that) to become extinct, yeah – just like the Dinos ! Clinging on to something which is useless, mythical and above all has little future ( a losing team / sinking ship) is futile. My suggestions to our Hindu posters here : better to convert into Christianity or better be an Atheist ! I respect the DMK of Tamil Nadu, the only sensible and Atheist party of the subcontinent.
April 24, 2007 at 10:40 am
To Santosh,
Talking about Brahmins being a smart lot…a quick reality check : the entire IQ of India ( esp. your Brahmins) = 81 ! No kidding. A gorilla named KOKO fared much better at 90 ! Besides, I’m a member of MENSA and my score was 142. I was ahead of all the Brahmins in my class. After completing my MD where I met my beautiful Irish classmate, I settled for a prosperous practice in a great suburb. By the way just for the record, do you know that Shakira – the pop star is a member of MENSA. Her IQ score =154 higher than the highest MENSA IQ test score in India which is 151. This means Shakira- the devout Catholic latin American Columbian ( now US citizen) pop star is smarter than all you myth making Brahmin assholes ! Shame shame. MAybe your claim to Brahmin morons being very smart is just another MYTH after all. Refer to my above posts on the “5 principles of the Hindutva” !
April 24, 2007 at 12:15 pm
Dear Vikas, Newton, Simonitz Rothstein.
From 1 to 326 comments on Christians aggression proves the cheap mentality of stupid Christians in the world,
Vikas you are a nonsense fit for teasing other religion. You have not won your debate because your comments are proof less.
Your “5 principles of Hinduism that never exist, this clearly proved you are cheap,
corrupted christian and your statement:
“My suggestions to our Hindu posters here : better to convert into Christianity or better be an Atheist ! I respect the DMK of Tamil Nadu, the only sensible and Atheist party of the subcontinent.”
This also proved your are from tamil nadu, for some piece of currency you sold your religion and converted from hindu to christian. and the political party is one of worst, corrupted and seeking only minority votes. You stupid supporting that corrupted party this also proves you are also corrupted mentally affected converted christian.
One thing you try to understand if your origin is a Christian then your behaviors will be different, very decent and bold mind, but you are a converted asshole so your mentality proved here clearly.
And Mr. Newton your name is only Newton but you cannot be a Issac Newton, you are
a mouthpiece of that asshole Vikas. And you are a nut !.
Simonitz Rothstein you are a biggest stupid, mentally handicap like Vikas.
You all three people need a medical treatment better meet a doctor
April 24, 2007 at 5:56 pm
Vikas- I don’t have time to spell check everything I type. So you are an MD- wow! And top of the class too. Mensa member with an IQ of 142- Wow! Why are you not researching a cure for cancer? I hope you are not treating any Brahmins. You probably would poison them. Ahead of all Brahmins in your class too! Listen to this- I am ahead of ALL jews, white christians and Muslims in all the graduate courses I am taking. Big deal. It proves absolutely nothing at all. So you are married to an Irish catholic wife. Looks like you have an inferiority complex and married an Irish potatoe famine immigrant. Big deal.
Catholics are the worst lot. Just look at the cult. They have a pope who gets elected, and then makes other mortals into saints. Why don’t you buy the pope’s pimp mobile, which is on e-bay auction? You can drive around in it as you are an MD, making lots of Moneeeee! It is all about Moneeee with catholics. An ex-catholic friend (he realized the emtyness of his faith after meeting with me), told me how the catholics used to marry and have families in the 10th century. Then the pope at that time realized that to prevent family inheritances, and to build wealth into catholic cult, banned marriages! That is the whole game of catholic thugs. It is all about Moneee! The christians in USA (whites, of course), 1 in 3 have depression, I have seen it among the students. Depressed because they are slowly realizing that jesus freak is not coming back ever. Because the entire thing was cooked up BS. Did you knwo that the KKK still targets catholics (and rightly so)? Close to where I live in Florida (Salt lake City), there are quite a few KKK members, I wouldlike you to come here and meet them.
I was listening to NPR- about the state of Middle East in ‘biblical’ (to barrow commonly used term) times- Contrary to movie potrayals- these nomadic people were pathetic bunch, living in mud dwellings. They did not have great civilizations to boast about, hence the whole myth about jesus, which is barrowed from Hindu and Greek philosophies (immaculate conception, etc.). Compare that to the flurishing Hindu kingdoms thousands of years ago. Wearefar superior to the Abrahamic cults.
Regarding Hinduism becoming extinct- Not gonna happen man. We are a billion strong, and growing all over the world. Just look at the number of temples being built in USA. I bet there is one close to where you practice your bullshit medicine. Dream on man, we are growing strong- and many whites in USA are now adopting the universality of Hindu faith. We have no dogmas (as per xtianity- with out jesus- nothing). Hindu faith is recognized as the true faith to realize God. Your Abrahamic stupid cults areall based on idiotic low IQ concept- that flat Earth is the center of Universe! The sun revolved around Earth, and jesus is the son of God. What a BS. You think this will sustain humanity, as we are now making scientific progress in leaps and bounds. Human cloning is possible- we are NOT made in the image of God, we evolved. Perhaps you MD moron (MDs are typically limited in tgheir scientific curiosity) does not believe in that.
Looks like you are hung up on IQ tests you moron. IQ tests are for idiots who feel a need to hang to something tangible, because their faith is not tangible. Let me know if you truly discover a cure for cancer ahead of a Brahmin. Then I will say you are a superior dude, made in the image of your jesus.
India launched a French satellite yesterday- looks like we are getting even space business out-sourced! As it is, most medical stuf is now being out-sourced to India, and soon, Vikas will have not much of a business in USA. Don’t you know that the majority of MDs in USA from India are Hindus? Check the AMA list.
By the way- the satellite, named Chandra (after Chandrashekar, a Brahmin Nobel laureate), is right now circling the Earth. There are many brilliant Brahmins- next time you go to a physicians meetings, check on it Vikas. There are plenty of Brahmin professors in Ivy league universities in USA. Check on that also.
You xtian idiots can succeed in converting some village idiots in India by bribing the village head with motor bikes and the likes. But the educated Hindu masses are not going to be swayed by any of your Abrahamic cults.
By the way, where is your acid (AKA, hassidic) Jew friend- He should listen to Mel Gibson’s recent rants “The f…g jews are responsible for every war in the world”. Are you a fan of this fanatic Mel Gibson, acid Jew?
Final word to Vikas- Make sure you pass on your high IQ genes to your off springs. You need to keep the catholic cult going, as many white xtains are leaving the faith. Perhaps you should superovulate your wife so you can beget 10 kids at a time. After all- why waste your high IQ genes making one kid at a time?
April 24, 2007 at 11:06 pm
To Pillai and his other Hindu stooges,
Hahahahah… you comment about me is funny. Not to mention condescending ! But hey why miss Jim Carrey or Mr Bean when we have the “Hindoo brigade” to entertain us with their “intellectual capacity” which fares much worse than a simple Primate ( Koko the Gorilla).
And by the way talking about me. Don’t worry, I have done very well for myself. I’m a well paid researcher at a well reputed University and am on my final few months from completing my PhD in Mathematics. Unlike you useless, deprived Hindu retards, it really pays to be a smart and wealthy Jew. I don’t need to give you a long list of contributions and power/wealth/educational monopoly of our successful Jewish community. Oh, I live with my beautiful family in our own private villa. I’ve bought two homes in Manhattan, one in Florida and am planning to purchase my fourth 12 bedroom bungalow in Surrey, England. I love my brand new SUV and my Mustang. And yeah, where I work, the only thing the Hindus are good at is being the cheap clerks that they are. I do give credit to only a handful ( at the max) of Indian Hindus who have made above average and in a few cases decent contributions, but still nothin’ that anyone would consider as outstanding ! The Hindus simply don’t compare to us Jews and Christians in anyway. Even the best Hindu mind of the “Gupta dynasty- the Golden age of Vedic science” could never ever create a genius like our Jewish Albert Einstein and Gotterfred Lebnitz or the devout Catholic genius Gregor Johann Mendel – father mof modern Genetics & the Anglican Protestant genius, Sir Isaac Newton ! The only thing you Hindus are good for is running filthy moth laden curry houses and dirty motels in the mid west else they are employed by our greedy capitalists to become the corporate slaves of the west ( supercheap below average computer programmers and BPO call centre peons). Otherwise as a community, you people have got to be the most useless and pathetic group, just faring a little better than your muslim friends. And talkin’ about that, isn’t Hindu India getting ass whuped by your gracious Muslim Pakistani based ISI and LeT ! You know, the more you keep posting your mindless crap, the more you display your deep sense of inferiority ! Vikas and Newton were absoluetely correct about you morons. I’ve visited your shithole of a Vedic country more than 4 times, and believe me the dirt, poverty, pestilence, disunity, filth, corruption, chaos, pathetic mal infrastructure, misery, famine, ignorance, superstition, hypocrisy,mayhem and Hindu beggars literally craping on the streets etc that one gets to see can be compared to nowhere else on this planet. Simply put, its the worst ( maybe comparable to a few screwed up nations in Africa). To conclude, the sheer superiority, beauty, intelligence, strength, power, Genius and sense of order and fairness that your see in the Judeo Christian west is quite ardous for you Hindu losers to handle. That explains why you ugly, cow worshipping inferior filthy scumbags keep harping your anti-western statements. Huh…you guys are so pathetic, you need a beautiful, intelligent and strong Catholic lady, Sonia Gandhi to rule over India. The Christian lady with an Iron hand whips her orders on your black butt ugly Hindu asses and you obey like the slaves you all are. truly pathetic !
April 24, 2007 at 11:19 pm
Hoho..another sorry ass post by a Hindu nutcase “Rajesh Kumarr” ( who incidentally cannot even spell his name correct…: “kumarr” ? or Kumar !
“Final word to Vikas- Make sure you pass on your high IQ genes to your off springs. You need to keep the catholic cult going, as many white xtains are leaving the faith. Perhaps you should superovulate your wife so you can beget 10 kids at a time. After all- why waste your high IQ genes making one kid at a time?”
So another HINDU MYTH : “Christians are leaving the church” ? Yeah maybe in your delusional mind, pal ! That sure ain’t the case. Most Western X’ians are quite affluent as expressed by Kristin Burley ( a white American X’ian) herself. This means that they are not as serious about their faith or any organized sort of religion , be it X’ianity or Hinduism ! But when the time is ripe and some calamities take place. The otherwise “dormant” X’ians in the west wake up and take charge ! This “on” amd “off” alternate trend can even be traced to the past. Observe during renaissance and exploration Christianity is taken seriously…then a slumber of a more “dormant” Christian faith. Then suddenly another Calamity i.e. WW1 and WW2 take place. The Baby boomers have taken religion too seriouly, and now the Gen X are a lot more relaxed about their faith n culture. This is soon rapidly reviving as post 9/11 , more Christian mainstream Americans have become serious about their faith !
April 24, 2007 at 11:22 pm
If there are any spelling typo errors in my above post, I apologize for it !
April 25, 2007 at 6:57 am
For Vikas: Here is a great correlation between IQs and Nazi Germans:
(sourced from: http://www.eskimo.com/~miyaguch/grady/nazi.html)
In 1945, an army psychologist named G.M. Gilbert, was allowed to examine the Nazi leaders who were tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Among other tests, a German version of the Wechsler-Bellevue was administered. Here are the results (IQ scores at far right):
1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
3 Hermann Goering 138
4 Karl Doenitz 138
5 Franz von Papen 134
6 Eric Raeder 134
7 Dr. Hans Frank 130
8 Hans Fritsche 130
9 Baldur von Schirach 130
10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
11 Wilhelm Keitel 129
12 Albert Speer 128
13 Alfred Jodl 127
14 Alfred Rosenberg 127
15 Constantin von Neurath 125
16 Walther Funk 124
17 Wilhelm Frick 124
18 Rudolf Hess 120
19 Fritz Sauckel 118
20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
21 Julius Streicher 106
Based obn this- these high IQ people are in great company with Vikas. What do you say for that, Hassidic Jew?
April 25, 2007 at 7:00 am
This is for the RICHY RICH acidic jew, Simonitz Rothstein, who thinks Hindus and India offered nothing to world.
PART I:
University (The world’s first university)
Takshashila (Taxila)
Around 2700 years ago, as early as 700 BCE there existed a giant University at Takshashila, located in the northwest region of India.
Not only Indians but also students from as far as Babylonia, Greece, Syria, Arabia and China came to study.
68 different streams of knowledge were on the syllabus.
Experienced masters taught a wide range of subjects.
Vedas, Language, Grammar, Philosophy, Medicine, Surgery, Archery, Politics, Warfare, Astronomy, Accounts, commerce, Futurology, Documentation, Occult, Music, Dance, The art of discovering hidden treasures, etc.
The minimum entrance age was 16 and there were 10,500 students.
The panel of Masters included renowned names like Kautilya, Panini, Jivak and Vishnu Sharma.
See also Appendix to this page
The Ruins of Nalanda University, Bihar, India
A Buddhist University, 5th Century
Mathematics
Zero –The Most Powerful Tool
India invented the Zero, without which there would be no binary system. No computers! Counting would be clumsy and cumbersome! The earliest recorded date, an inscription of Zero on Sankheda Copper Plate was found in Gujarat, India (585-586 CE). In Brahma-Phuta-Siddhanta of Brahmagupta (7th century CE), the Zero is lucidly explained and was rendered into Arabic books around 770 CE. From these it was carried to Europe in the 8th century. However, the concept of Zero is referred to as Shunya in the early Sanskrit texts of the 4th century BCE and clearly explained in Pingala’s Sutra of the 2nd century.
Geometry
Invention of Geometry
The word Geometry seems to have emerged from the Indian word ‘Gyaamiti’ which means measuring the Earth. And the word Trigonometry is similar to ‘Trikonamiti’ meaning measuring triangular forms. Euclid is credited with the invention of Geometry in 300 BCE while the concept of Geometry in India emerged in 1000 BCE, from the practice of making fire altars in square and rectangular shapes. The treatise of Surya Siddhanta (4th century CE) describes amazing details of Trigonometry, which were introduced to Europe 1200 years later in the 16th century by Briggs.
The Value of PI in India
The ratio of the circumference and the diameter of a circle are known as Pi, which gives its value as 3,1428571. The old Sanskrit text Baudhayana Shulba Sutra of the 6th century BCE mentions this ratio as approximately equal to 3. Aryabhatta in 499, CE worked the value of Pi to the fourth decimal place as 3.1416. Centuries later, in 825 CE Arab mathematician Mohammed Ibna Musa says that “This value has been given by the Hindus (Indians)”.
Pythagorean Theorem or Baudhayana Theorem?
The so-called Pythagoras Theorem – the square of the hypotenuse of a right-angled triangle equals the sum of the square of the two sides – was worked out earlier in India by Baudhayana in Baudhayana Sulba Sutra. He describes: “The area produced by the diagonal of a rectangle is equal to the sum of the area produced by it on two sides.”
[Note: Greek writers attributed the theorem of Euclid to Pythagoras]
Mathematics
The Decimal
100BCE the Decimal system flourished in India
“It was India that gave us the ingenious method of expressing all numbers by means of ten symbols (Decimal System)….a profound and important idea which escaped the genius of Archimedes and Apollonius, two of the greatest men produced by antiquity.”
-La Place
April 25, 2007 at 7:05 am
PART II- Just for the Acidic jew: India’s greatness, continued.
Raising 10 to the Power of 53
The highest prefix used for raising 10 to a power in today’s maths is ‘D’ for 10 to a power of 30 (from Greek Deca). While, as early as 100 BCE Indian Mathematicians had exact names for figures upto 10 to the power of 53.
ekam =1
dashakam =10
shatam =100 (10 to the power of 10)
sahasram =1000 (10 power of 3)
dashasahasram =10000 (10 power of 4)
lakshaha =100000 (10 power of 5)
dashalakshaha =1000000 (10 power of 6)
kotihi =10000000 (10 power of 7)
ayutam =1000000000 (10 power of 9)
niyutam = (10 power of 11)
kankaram = (10 power of 13)
vivaram = (10 power of 15)
paraardhaha = (10 power of 17)
nivahaaha = (10 power of 19)
utsangaha = (10 power of 21)
bahulam = (10 power of 23)
naagbaalaha = (10 power of 25)
titilambam = (10 power of 27)
vyavasthaana
pragnaptihi = (10 power of 29)
hetuheelam = (10 power of 31)
karahuhu = (10 power of 33)
hetvindreeyam = (10 power of 35)
samaapta lambhaha = (10 power of 37)
gananaagatihi) = (10 power of 39)
niravadyam = (10 power of 41)
mudraabaalam = (10 power of 43)
sarvabaalam = (10 power of 45)
vishamagnagatihi = (10 power of 47)
sarvagnaha = (10 power of 49)
vibhutangamaa = (10 power of 51)
tallaakshanam = (10 power of 53)
(In Anuyogdwaar Sutra written in 100 BCE one
numeral is raised as high as 10 to the power of 140).
Astronomy
Indian astronomers have been
mapping the skies for 3500 years.
1000 Years Before Copernicus
Copernicus published his theory of the revolution of the Earth in 1543. A thousand years before him, Aryabhatta in 5th century (400-500 CE) stated that the Earth revolves around the sun, “just as a person travelling in a boat feels that the trees on the bank are moving, people on earth feel that the sun is moving”. In his treatise Aryabhatteeam, he clearly states that our earth is round, it rotates on its axis, orbits the sun and is suspended in space and explains that lunar and solar eclipses occur by the interplay of the sun, the moon and the earth.
The Law of Gravity – 1200 Years Before Newton
The Law of Gravity was known to the ancient Indian astronomer Bhaskaracharya. In his Surya Siddhanta, he notes:
“Objects fall on earth due to a force of attraction by the earth. therefore, the earth, the planets, constellations, the moon and the sun are held in orbit due to this attraction”.
It was not until the late 17th century in 1687, 1200 years later, that Sir Isaac Newton rediscovered the Law of Gravity.
Measurement of Time
In Surya Siddhanta, Bhaskaracharya calculates the time taken for the earth to orbit the sun to 9 decimal places.
Bhaskaracharya = 365.258756484 days.
Modern accepted measurement = 365.2596 days.
Between Bhaskaracharya’s ancient measurement 1500 years ago and the modern measurement the difference is only 0.00085 days, only 0.0002%.
34000TH of a Second to 4.32 Billion Years
India has given the idea of the smallest and the largest measure of time.
Krati Krati = 34,000th of a second
1 Truti = 300th of a second
2 Truti = 1 Luv
2 Luv = 1 Kshana
30 Kshana = 1 Vipal
60 Vipal = 1 Pal
60 Pal = 1 Ghadi (24 minutes)
2.5 Gadhi = 1 Hora (1 hour)
24 Hora = 1 Divas (1 day)
7 Divas = 1 saptaah (1 week)
4 Saptaah = 1 Maas (1 month)
2 Maas = 1 Rutu (1 season)
6 Rutu = 1 Varsh (1 year)
100 Varsh = 1 Shataabda (1 century)
10 Shataabda = 1 sahasraabda
432 Sahasraabda = 1 Yug (Kaliyug)
2 Yug = 1 Dwaaparyug
3 Yug = 1 Tretaayug
4 Yug = 1 Krutayug
10 Yug = 1 Mahaayug (4,320,000 years)
1000 Mahaayug = 1 Kalpa
1 Kalpa = 4.32 billion years
Plastic Surgery In India 2600 Years Old
Shushruta, known as the father of surgery, practised his skill as early as 600 BCE. He used cheek skin to perform plastic surgery to restore or reshape the nose, ears and lips with incredible results. Modern plastic surgery acknowledges his contributions by calling this method of rhinoplasty as the Indian method.
125 Types Of Surgical Instruments
“The Hindus (Indians) were so advanced in surgery that their instruments could cut a hair longitudinally”.
MRS Plunket
Shushruta worked with 125 kinds of surgical instruments, which included scalpels, lancets, needles, catheters, rectal speculums, mostly conceived from jaws of animals and birds to obtain the necessary grips. He also defined various methods of stitching: the use of horse’s hair, fine thread, fibres of bark, goat’s guts and ant’s heads.
300 Different Operations
Shushruta describes the details of more than 300 operations and 42 surgical processes. In his compendium Shushruta Samhita he minutely classifies surgery into 8 types:
Aharyam = extracting solid bodies
Bhedyam = excision
Chhedyam = incision
Aeshyam = probing
Lekhyam = scarification
Vedhyam = puncturing
Visraavyam = evacuating fluids
Sivyam = suturing
The ancient Indians were also the first to perform amputation, caesarean surgery and cranial surgery. For rhinoplasty, Shushruta first measured the damaged nose, skilfully sliced off skin from the cheek and sutured the nose. He then placed medicated cotton pads to heal the operation.
India’s Contributions Acknowledged
Contributions
“It is true that even across the Himalayan barrier India has sent to the west, such gifts as grammar and logic, philosophy and fables, hypnotism and chess, and above all numerals and the decimal system.”
Will Durant (American Historian, 1885-1981)
Language
“The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity, is of wonderful structure, more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin and more exquisitely refined than either”.
Sir William Jones (British Orientalist, 1746-1794)
Philosophy
~If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions, I should point out to India”.
Max Muller (German Scholar, 1823-1900
Religion
“There can no longer be any real doubt that both Islam and Christianity owe the foundations of both their mystical and their scientific achievements to Indian initiatives”.
– Philip Rawson (British Orientalist)
Atomic Physics
“After the conversations about Indian philosophy, some of the ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so crazy suddenly made much more sense”.
W. Heisenberg (German Physicist, 1901-1976)
Surgery
“The surgery of the ancient Indian physicians was bold and skilful. A special branch of surgery was devoted to rhinoplasty or operations for improving deformed ears, noses and forming new ones, which European surgeons have now borrowed”.
Sir W.Hunter (British Surgeon, 1718-1783)
Literature
“In the great books of India, an Empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the questions that exercises us”.
– R.W.Emerson (American Essayist, 1803-1882)
Panini’s grammar has been evaluated from various points
of view. After all these different evaluations, I think that the grammar merits asserting … that it is one of the greatest monuments of human intelligence.
– An evaluation of Panini’s contribution by Cardona
It is quite apparent to me that the ancient Greeks got a lot of science from India, andclaimed it as their own.
Hassidic jew- Simonitz Rothstein- We Hindus have been great and will continue to contribute to science, philosophy, economic growth and well-being of this planet.
The arrogance of the white xtians, followed by Indian scum xtains such as Vikas will eventually backfire on them. Just look around you A-Holes. The Muslims will get you soon.
April 25, 2007 at 1:10 pm
To Pillai and his Mythical Hindu Universe,
Blah blah blah…type all you want about your claims about Hindu fame. I’ve seen crap like that posted before by many pro Hindu websites. Trouble is they can’t be proved and are subject to skepticism ! The only golden age enjoyed in Vedic Science was the Gupta period. Besides, Indian Math and science was still lagging behind the Greeco Romans. If I’m not wrong, the only Asian power to reach the No. 1 spot during the Bronze and Iron age civilisation was Imperial China starting from the Yangtze Kang river valley civilisation. The Phoenicians, Babylonians and Egyptians were quite advanced. Followed by Greece and then Rome. Even the Arabs had their heydays during the medieval period ( Europe’s dark ages) followed by the complete absorbtion of Judeo Christianity in European culture, this would soon lead to the age of enlightenment and renaissance, followed by Western world dominance in every field ever since !
India was never ever No. 1 ! Thats a fact, boy !
I do know about Taxila ( which is right now present in Central Asia). I know my history ! But the gibberish about stealing Greek inventions and attributing them to Hindu Mathematics is crap ! There has been no conclusive evidence. I’m both a Mathematician and a historian. As for “Zero” being an Indian discovery, Wrong again : The concept of Zero was first discovered in ancient Babylon. However, it was India which gave the properties to the concept of Zero.
As for India it sure looks like a BIG “0”. They fare as probably one of the world’s least developed nations, even Thailand and Singapore boast better infrastructure. They are the crummiest sporting nation – very bad at sports. Their education levels are substandard, I’ve seen their CBSE and ICSE syllabus in Mathematics and Science. Believe me they simply can’t compare to the highly advanced and rigorous stuff taught in great nations like Germany, Israel, Japan, Holland, Finland, Italy and France. Mass ignorance and mal administration. Crime,filth, poverty, injustice and corruption is the rule of the day. They have a backward and dependent economy ( remove the western investements in industry, technology, IT and Customer services etc) and you have an Indian economy that is back to square one ! I can agree with their agro and small scale rural based economy. But the hectic defense and industrialization in India that you see today is the product of Western Help. Without Russia and the EU, the Indian defense would be in shambles – a fact you and I both know ! Besides, since you hypocrites keep praising your worthless nation – India, I wonder what you parasites are doing in the west. Get out of here, go back to India and try and improve it from the shithole ( the world’s biggest sewer) that it is !
April 25, 2007 at 1:12 pm
To Pillai and his Mythical Hindu Universe,
Blah blah blah…type all you want about your claims about Hindu fame. I’ve seen crap like that posted before by many pro Hindu websites. Trouble is they can’t be proved and are subject to skepticism ! The only golden age enjoyed in Vedic Science was the Gupta period. Besides, Indian Math and science was still lagging behind the Greeco Romans. If I’m not wrong, the only Asian power to reach the No. 1 spot during the Bronze and Iron age civilisation was Imperial China starting from the Yangtze Kang river valley civilisation. The Phoenicians, Babylonians and Egyptians were quite advanced. Followed by Greece and then Rome. Even the Arabs had their heydays during the medieval period ( Europe’s dark ages) followed by the complete absorbtion of Judeo Christianity in European culture, this would soon lead to the age of enlightenment and renaissance, followed by Western world dominance in every field ever since !
India was never ever No. 1 ! Thats a fact, boy !
I do know about Taxila ( which is right now present in Central Asia). I know my history ! But the gibberish about stealing Greek inventions and attributing them to Hindu Mathematics is crap ! There has been no conclusive evidence. I’m both a Mathematician and a historian. As for “Zero” being an Indian discovery, Wrong again : The concept of Zero was first discovered in ancient Babylon. However, it was India which gave the properties to the concept of Zero.
As for India it sure looks like a BIG “0”. They fare as probably one of the world’s least developed nations, even Thailand and Singapore boast better infrastructure. They are the crummiest sporting nation – very bad at sports. Their education levels are substandard, I’ve seen their CBSE and ICSE syllabus in Mathematics and Science. Believe me they simply can’t compare to the highly advanced and rigorous stuff taught in great nations like Germany, Israel, Japan, Holland, Finland, Italy and France. Mass ignorance and mal administration. Crime,filth, poverty, injustice and corruption is the rule of the day. They have a backward and dependent economy ( remove the western investements in industry, technology, IT and Customer services etc) and you have an Indian economy that is back to square one ! I can agree with their agro and small scale rural based economy. But the hectic defense and industrialization in India that you see today is the product of Western Help. Without Russia and the EU, the Indian defense would be in shambles – a fact you and I both know ! Besides, since you hypocrites keep praising your worthless nation – India, I wonder what you parasites are doing in the west. Get out of here, go back to India and try and improve it from the shithole ( the world’s biggest sewer) that it is !
And talking about Muslims…we’re far too powerful for them. But guess what, the first casualty of global Islamism WILL be Hindu India – like its happening rapidly now. When they come for us, we will handle them fine. Just as we can dominate and thrash ’em today !
April 25, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Here’s another interesting piece of info. on one of Hollywood’s greatest brainy beauties, who was also a devout Christian :
Hedy Lamarr:
Why you know her: If you’re using the internet, you probably don’t know her. Ask your grandparents.
Why she’s beautiful: Film star of the 30s and 40s frequently cast as a seductress invariably because of her good looks rather than her acting skills.
Why she’s brainy: While her formal educational credentials are not well documented, Hedy Lamarr’s biggest claim to fame outside of acting is her joint patent with composer George Antheil for an early version of spread spectrum communication technology (U.S. patent #2,292,387) – a concept that was later incorporated into wireless telephones and internet wifi.
…These Hindu wankers are jealous of us. Deep inside they know that they are inferior in every way. I mean, just consider this :
Hindu degenrates worship the cow. Now in the west or even in China or Japan etc. We all love beef as a food. And we all know what happens 8-9 hours later once we consume our Beef in the form of Steak, Hamburger, chops, ribs or any other delicacy.
Hence, Cow = Beef. Which later becomes our “shit” or “faeces” !
Hence, the Hindu Holy Cow = Beef = shit.
Therefore, we can equate :
Hindu “Holy cow” = my shit ! And hence, Hindus are nothing more than “shit worshippers” ! Now, Simonitz, Vikas, Goerring , Burley and co. Why bother to the barking Hindu “shit worshipping” degenrates who have an innate intelligence much lower than an ape like Koko ! I’m serious. Leave these fruit cakes alone. Ever heard of the expression : I’m No. 1 so why worry ! Winners ( i.e. us) keep smiling, let the “shit worshippers” bark on ! No one cares.
April 25, 2007 at 2:39 pm
To the moderator,
This is to notify an error that you have made. Post 335 is my post, and yet someone or somehow my post, with the last paragraph cut, has been posted under the name “Vikas Dias”. Infact, I had to repost my entire message again, under my name. Can you please avoid such mistakes in the future.
Regards,
Simonitz Rothstein.
April 25, 2007 at 4:41 pm
So Simonitz Rothstein,
Jesus couldn’t help you even!You are busted!Can’t even remember,which name you have to use wile posting !I know that you are nothing but a bloody brain-washed Indian convert who could be living in some western country,where ‘the Book’ is used for wiping ass!
You seem to be suffering from some disorder(calling yourself different names,sometimes simon,sometimes Vikas,sometimes Newton..).Get some treatment soon ..Otherwise your so called beautiful Irish wife(if she ever exists) would run away with some body else!
Anyway,my heartfelt thanks to Chacko for having opened such a beautiful thread for exposing the real face of Christianity which keeps proclaiming ‘Jesus is love’..Also to Nita(the first post)and my secular Hindu friends ,who wonder “how hate propagated before Internet”,this is the answer – through Christianity and the Bible!
April 25, 2007 at 6:12 pm
From the moderator,
Dear Simonitz,
I’m sorry for the inconvenience caused in your post no. 335. There was a mix up in moderation. We will try our best to avoid such errors in the future. Chacko works in the morning, I take care of it in the evenings.
April 25, 2007 at 6:21 pm
“Unni Says:
April 25th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
So Simonitz Rothstein,
Jesus couldn’t help you even!You are busted!Can’t even remember,which name you have to use wile posting !I know that you are nothing but a bloody brain-washed Indian convert who could be living in some western country,where ‘the Book’ is used for wiping ass!”
Vikas says :
Quite right, I use the pages of the Hindu Vedanta “book”…perfect toilet paper !
Oh and by the way, I did not post Number 335. Even the moderator has admitted it was a technical problem. Now don’t divert the matter into your illusion. The fact still remains that Hinduism is a downright mythical, crummy, asshole religion made out of a “bubble Universe” which can burst anytime. There are more far Hindu converts to X’ianity than vice versa. India has recorded a 6 % and going up increase in its Christian population, the same can’t be said about the west in terms of Hinduism. Lets face it, the very brief glory days of Hindu cults like Hare Krishna are over in the 70’s, the only reason the Beatles went to Rishikesh was to get free charas and ganj with the Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Today, Hinduism is nothing more than a dying piece of shit. No one cares. Infact..today, cults like kabbalah, Scientology and Islam..even Buddhism hold more interest and converts. Hinduism is the first to get extinct ! Quit wasting your time. And for the comments on my wife, I smell jealousy ! Now, go back and clean your shitty ass with your fingers you dirty Hindu uncooth inferior !
April 25, 2007 at 6:29 pm
I was searching for the mutiny and native American history and I stumbled into this. I must say that I’m overwhelmed with the degrading comments made on us Christians on this site. From your IP addresses, most of you all actually live in the States. My question : If you can’t stand the sight of Christiandom and a far more advanced western civilization as compared to your downtrodden Barbaric primitive Hindu culture, what are you doing here ? Maybe you coolies should book a return ticket home and settle in your India hellhole ! And, don’t bother replying, I have no time to waste with you paleo brained bottom barrel Hindu beggars.
Craig from Boston
April 25, 2007 at 6:40 pm
The game is out- Bikas Dias is samne as the jew boy- Simonitz!
Who ever you are- You are blind man. You need photoreceptor stem cells implanted into your eyes. I don’t even think you are an MD!You should be pudendal about yourself (go check your anatomy books on what ‘pudendal’ means. You probably met your Irish wife under the fornix.
The fact is- you christians are just loath to admit India’s, and Hiindu’s might.
I have seen the lazy white people here for years- can’t do a damn thing. Then they go to church and hear to a moron talk BS on the pupit. That is why it is called the bullshit pulpit.
You, if you are truly from India- should be ashamed of yourself ranting like a mad man! India is a big zero! What is math without the zero?
I have seen only pornography in the west so far. Nothing to write home about. If you think the almighty judeoxtain religion is the central focus of this planet- you have big surprises coming. Asia is rising fast, and Asia will not submit to the cross. We will be tolerant of different faiths, but you keep pushing the envelope- you will see bloody carnage. I have seen street blood baths between Hindus and muslims. Now, xtains are no match if a bloody fight starts because of people like you. You will be castrated without anesthesia. And to make you bleed well, we will heparinize you and inject some alpha agonists.
Shut up Vikas. The more you rant about India- the more ignorant you are- why not kneel and suck white man’s butt (you are doing it anyway, salivating about the greatness of whiteman).
Whatever you write, the truth stands- India is the center of civilization. While the white man was eating raw meat and chasing wild animals, India was a shining example of Hindu greatness.
All you ther BS you wrote so far- blah, blah, blah- is a repeat of white supremacist rantings that you can see posted on their sites. You are just copying their BS.
If your jesus is so mighty (ONLY son of God- jesus pop will be sending a lightening bolt at me right now. Ha! I do not see anything! After all, If someone bad mouths my son, I will kick their butt. So, where is jesus’s pop now, not whipping our Hindu butts?
April 25, 2007 at 10:11 pm
To Pillai and co.
Don’t make me laugh out loud ! “HIndu might” ? You mean the same Hindu might I saw when the duh..powerful “blue billion” saw Team India get its ass kicked royally by minnows like a simple Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
You don’t compare to Christian might pal. First try and tackle the muslims , naxals and maoists and perhaps then you can think about facing the Christian might ! Must be the same 5 principles of Hindutva i.e. hype, myth making,illogical mindset, hypocrisy and blind belief that you Hindu clowns follow !
Like it or not, X’ianity is still the world’s largest religion by a big big lead, followed by Islam, Buddhism..you hindu suckers don’t fare.
Besides, the moderator has apologized for the technical mistake in the post no. 335. Simonitz is a diff. poster. So you ain’t got no evidence to prove our identities. If you have the brains ( which I doubt), check our Internet Postal address.
Unlike your Mythical fairy tale asshole “godlike” freaks such as Shiva, Krishna and other comic book nonsense, Jesus Christ – the Lord almighty ain’t fake. he is real and does’nt show the comic book immaturity of sending down lightening bolts down to scum like you. Your kind are too small to execute. If X’ianity were to anhilate a tiny, weak cult like Hinduism today. It would’nt look good in our record, I mean the real & all powerful don’t waste time fighting weak ass kids. they fight someone their own size. We’ve screwed Muslim Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran probably next and the rest of the Muslim world will follow. You should actually thank us, a world without muslims would mean Hindu India can breathe easy. So we don’t need to waste our time fighting worthless puny babies like you. Hinduism is not comparable to The status and might of X’ianity. Tomm. if needed the USA – a still conservative Christian nation where you have bible belts, missions, and a pro Christian leadership ( be it the Kennedies, Clintons or Bush- born again Christian fundamental) can easily decimate Hindurashtra from the face of the world Atlas. Don’t forget that all the top and powerful nations of the EU, Russia are still Christian !
Besides, China is bigger in power and population. The will like ’63 invade and enslave you Hindu “shit worshippers”. Besides, Atheist China with a growing Christian and Muslim populace don’t have any regard for you pagan over zealous “shit worshipping” Hindus. Hinduism is pretty close to extinction one way or the other. In a century and half, it is predicted that the Islamic populace will increase and dominate Hindu India. Remember those Billions being born everyday in the subcontinent are mainly Muslims. Look at most mussie families, they have loads of kids..enough to make a million freakin’ cricket teams. And yep, we all know how Mussies just love Hindus right !
And about licking a white man’s butt, what are you doing in the west. I mean you are so unethical, one moment you and your inferior kind hate the Christian west and the next moment you’re ready to lick their boots to enter and thrive in the west ???
By the way , I’ll answer a few of your queries :
1. You said that KKK hate catholics today..
WRONG ! Your ignorance is appalling ! Unlike the Jim Crow days of segregation in the south , the WASP ( white Anglo Saxon Protestant) ideology is brandished ! I’m friends with a KKK guy. Todays KKK is referred to as the “Knights of the Klue Klux Klan”….they have opened their membership and are encouraging an all white Christian front, Catholics and even Jews are encouraged to join. They even include non white memnbers ( so long as you profess an oath to Christianity and US patriotism)…however they still don’t allow non white Christians to become members of the core. The KKK leader today will still be a white guy ( Catholic, Protestant or a Jew) eg : Jewish Sam Davis and David Duke ( read about them ). David Duke one of the modern day icons of KKK and ex Grand Kinght ( leader) has even championed the cause of Christian Missionary activity in India and Sonia Gandhi ! So once the KKK see’s me with my wife and my cross and other X’ian mindset..they will accept me to an extent. But you pagan Hindus, your dead meat !
2. Talking about the Irish in the North east….huh, My wife hails from there. I’ve been to my inlaws place, and they made me feel welcome and quite at home. I admit when they heard my first name and appearance, they were a tad skeptical. But once we met and shared our views we were cosy as family ! Long live the Irish ! The Celts were great warriors and St. Patrick- the patron saint of Ireland is one of my favs.
3. Oh and talking about my Cancer research…I’m a Cardiologist and NOT an Oncologist ! I plan to do a research in Cardio respiratory diseases soon. My better half is an Endocrinologist. None of us need to work on Cancer research..we’ve Oncologists, histologists and Pathos for that. Besides, talking about inventions, those tiny handful few Hindu inventions ( many of which are prone to serious doubts !) are still nothing compared to the Vast huge list of inventions, discoveries, explorations, ideas and contributions of the Christian west in just about every field ! By the way Simonitz put a great comparison…out of the 4 Indians who have won a Noble Prize – the most coveted award and recognition ! Apart from the Christian Catholic Mother Teresa. Only 2 Brahmins fare in the Science category… Uncle and Nephew ( CV Raman and Chandresekhar)..ok you can add Hargobind Chaurasia ( albeit he’s an American citizen, but nevertheless a non Brahmin Indian). Now compare them to the vast list of Christian, Jewish and in some cases Atheist and Oriental Science/Math Noble laureates. Believe it or not, I’ve seen more Muslims from North Africa, Middle east etc winning than the loser Hindus ! As usual Christians take the lead by a magnanomous difference ! And besides, no matter what you Hindu fanatical myth makers claim….there is no Hindu whiz even close to comparison with Christian greats like Sir Isaac Newton, Fr. Gregor Johann Mendel, Catholic Guttenberg ( his printing press/ which pioneered mass media), Leonardo da Vinci ( Catholic), Nicholas Copernicus, Rene Discartes, the Protestant Thomas Alva Edison, Born again Christian Neil Armstrong ( man on the moon !), Dr. Christian Branard ( world’s first heart transplant), Pro Catholic Irish American – Henry Ford ( pioneer of the auto industy)..Karl Benz of Germany should also be given due credit…great Christian crusaders like Charles Martel, Charlemagne and down to Napoleon, Queen Elizabeth and the Anglican British and now Christian America who continue to rule the world ! Show me one Hindu “shit worshipping” musician comparable to great geniuses like Austrian Catholic church prodigy Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart of Salsbug, Johann Sebastian Bach, George Fredrick Handel, Telemann ( all devout Catholics) etc. In sports Christian Americans ( be it blacks or white..with exception to Mohd Ali), Russia ( with its million Christian Russian Orthodox) and Europe rule the world. Team Australia with the devout Catholic Damian ( batsman) kick ass and rule the field of Cricket..the national religion of India ! Soccer..Catholic Brazil, Italy etc. Take any damn thing and we rule. The most beautiful women whether from Northern Europe, Latin American beauties of Venezuela etc or North America etc..down to India’s Miss world this year Sarah Jane Dias are all Christians ! Show me anything in Hindu Brahmin India that could compare to Mexican Catholic Salma Hayek, Welsh Catholic Catherine Zeta Jones, Shakira – who also has an amazingly high IQ ( MENSA member with an IQ of 154) higher than the entire national average of MENSA-India ( 151, in her national IQ test ( USA) she scored 140). or Christian Protestant Kate Beckinsale, Angelina Jolie, Cindy Crawford,Julianne Moore, Rose McGowan, Katherine Heigl, our own desi Catholic Helen Brodie… etc
The truth is we got the best of everything. Thats reality..what you imagine in ur delusional pathetic mind is mere fantasy. The trouble is your deep felt inferiority will always potray what is expected of a typical pro brahminical instigated Hindutva nutcase : mindless false sense of security with mythical Hindu supremacist beliefs and an uncanny abhorrent sense of shame at being a classical “shit worshipper” disguised as arrogance and blind belief which is unparallel to common logic and facts !
Don’t you think that its only the Christian world which is the all time greatest in all spheres…wonder why, can all this be coincidence ? I think not…ask yourself this question. God has blessed us with the best of mind, power, strength and beauty. In the end, like it or not – Christianity is the all time winner and is there to stay forever ! Goodbye and God bless !
April 25, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Correction : I meant Hargobind Khurana and NOT “Chaurasia” ! I apologize for the mistake.
April 25, 2007 at 10:19 pm
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April 26, 2007 at 3:30 am
OK Man- Whatever!
If your xtain heaven is full of people like you, no need to convert. I will be bored out of my mind sitting next to you, and morons like you. Where is the fun?
By the way, I know many Brahmin cardiologists, and they certainly do not have time like you have, to belittle India. I doubt you are a cardiologist. You just do not have the heart.
We Hindus will be proud of our heritage. I know ‘some’ Muslims and Christians who are also proud of Indian heritage. But for people like you, who think the white man invented planet Earth, all I can say is “whatever’!
Dias the acid jew- goodbye- you are the weakest link in human evolution.
April 26, 2007 at 9:13 pm
I am a westerner and a born Christian. I was mainly brought up in catholic schools, my uncle, Father Guy Gautier, a gem of a man, was the parish head of the beautiful Saint Jean de Montmartre church in Paris ; my father, Jacques Gautier, a famous artist in France, and a truly good person if there ever was one, was a fervent catholic all his life, went to church nearly every day and lived by his Christian values. There are certain concepts in Christianity I am proud of : charity for others, the equality of system in many western countries, Christ’s message of love and compassion….
Yet, I am a little uneasy when I see how much Christianity is taking over India under the reign of Sonia Gandhi : according to a 2001 census, there are about 2.34 million Christians in India ; not even 2,5% of the nation, a negligible amount. Yet there are today five Christian chief ministers in Nagaland, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Kerala and Andhra Pradesh.
One should add that the majority of politicians in Sonia Gandhi’s closed circle are either Christians or Muslims. She seems to have no confidence in Hindus.Ambika Soni, a Christian, is General Secretary of the Congress and a very powerful person, with close access to Sonia Gandhi. Oscar Fernandes is Union Programme Implementation Minister. Margaret Alwa is the eminence grise of Maharasthra. Karnataka is virtually controlled by AK Anthony, whose secretaries are all from the Southern Christian association. Valson Thampu, a Hindu hater, is Chairman NCERT curriculum Review Committee, John Dayal, another known Hindu baiter, has been named by Sonia Gandhi in the National Integration Council ; and Kancha Ilaya, who hates Hindus, is being allowed by the Indian Government to lobby with the UN and US Congress so that caste discrimination in India is taken-up by these bodies.
I have nothing personnally against Sonia Gandhi, in fact she probably is a good person to win the alliegance of so many and certainly a loving mother . I share with her a love for India, like her I have lived in this country for over 30 years and like her I have married an Indian. But nevertheless, since she is at the top, Christian conversions in India seem to have gone in overdrive. More than 4,000 foreign Christian missionaries are involved in conversion activities across different states. In Tripura, there were no Christians at independence, there are 120.000 today, a 90% increase since 1991. The figures are even more striking in Arunachal Pradesh, where there were only 1710 Christians in 1961, but 1,2 million today, as well as 780 churches! In Andhra Pradesh, churches are coming-up every day in far flung villages and there was even an attempt to set-up one near Tirupati. Many of the North-East separatist movements, such as the Mizo or the Bodos, are not only Christian dominated, but also sometimes function with the covert backing of the missionaries. In Kerala, particularly in the poor coastal districts, you find “miracle boxes” put in local churches: the gullible villager writes out a paper mentionning his wish: a fising boat, a loan for a pukka house, fees for the son’s schooling… And lo, a few weeks later, the miracle happens ! And of course the whole family converts, making others in the village follow suit. During the Tsunami, entire dalit villages in Tamil Nadu were converted to Christianity with the lure of money.
It is true that there have been a few backlashes against missionnaries and nuns, particularly the gruesome muder of Staines and his two sons. But Belgium historian Konenraad Elst laments that « When over a thousand Hindus are killed and a quarter million Hindus ethnically cleansed in Kashmir, the world media doesn’t even notice, but watch the worldwide hue and cry when a few local riots take place and a few missionaries are killed by unidentified tribal miscreants. Christian Naga terrorists have been killing non-Christians for decades on end, and this has never been an issue with the world media, except to bewail the “oppression” of the Nagas by “Hindu India” ». More than 20,000 people have lost their lives to insurgency in Assam and Manipur in the past two decades. As recently as last week, four paramilitary Assam Rifles soldiers were killed in an ambush yesterday by the outlawed United National Liberation Front (UNLF).
The other day I was at the Madras Medical center, the foremost heart hospital in Madras. Right when you enter the lobby, you find a chapel, inviting everybody to pray, there are pictures and quotations of Christ everywhere and a priest visits all the patients, without being invited at all. Educational institutes and orphanages run by Christian organisations have become big business in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other states. In Pondichery, where I am often, schools run by Adventists force their pupils, mostly Hindus, to say Christian prayers every day and attend mass. They are constantly fed anti Hindu slogans and biases under different forms, whether it is in history books, or discourses by priests during religious classes. Even in the elite schools or colleges, such as Saint Stephen in Delhi, Saint Xavier in Calcutta or Loyola college in Madras, where no direct proletization is attempted, Hindu pupils are subtly encouraged towards skepticism of their own religion, and admiration of whatever is Western. One should also say that it’s a one way traffic : remember the furor when MM Joshi wanted the Saraswati hymn to be sung at a Chief Ministers’ meet on education ? And imagine the uproar in secular India if portions of the Bhagavad Gita, this Bible for all humanity, were read at the beginning of the day in public schools ?
Sonia Gandhi said during the last National Integration Council meeting : « We are committed to ideological battle against communal forces which seek to destroy our diversity and polarise us. Certain parties promote polarisation and confrontation. And there are certain regimes in India which promote communalism ». But is not actually the Congress under Mrs Gandhi, which is promoting communalism, by insidiously installing Christians and Muslims (and Marxists) everywhere, propping up Christian states, allowing a free hand too missionnaries and pressing for reservations for Christian Dalits and Muslims, as recently done in AP, in a nation of 850 million Hindus ?
In my country, France, a Christian majority nation , it would be unthinkable to have Hindus – or even Indian born French for that matter – in so many positions of power. Impossible also to find a non-elected, non French, non-Christian person being the absolute ruler of the country behind the scene as Sonia Gandhi is in India. Indians like to say that the greatness of India is that it accepts a foreigner and a Christian like Sonia Gandhi. But is’nt it rather a weakness, and an aberration ? Can’t we find a worthy leader amongst one billion Indians ? This is an India where you see today Swami Avimukteshwarananda Saraswati of Dwarka Peeth, made to disembark from an Indian Airlines flight for carrying his holy dand, a thin bamboo stick which is a symbol of their spiritual designation, inside the aircraft cabin.
Are we heading then towards a Christian India under Sonia Gandhi’s helm? It would be a tremendous loss not only to India, but also to the world. For in India, you find the only living spirituality left on this planet.
April 26, 2007 at 9:56 pm
Dear Francois,
I appreciate your point of view. This is my first post here. I’m from Lucerne, Switzerland. While my spiritual life has been one hell of a roller coaster ride. I was born into a Catholic family, I left the church. You could say, I chose to suspend myself from any organized faith. I was what you could call an atheist ! I even tried all religions including Hinduism. And what I found was dissapointing, for the following reasons :
1. Hinduism may be an ancient philosophy. But unlike Christianity , Hinduism lays a heavy emphasis on epics like the Mahabharat and Ramayuna. Now, I do understand the Good versus Evil moral. But with all my historic research both in world as well as Indian history of all kinds. There is absoluetely no evidence or historical reference point for any of the mythology Characters of the Hindu culture. It seems they base their faith on a system of blind belief and lack of reasoning.
2. Unlike Christianity, Hinduism does not give you a clear picture of God. It vainly beats around the bush and struggles to explain concepts that are already well explained in the Bible. A deeper study into the Bible will reveal why it is still today the greatest book ever written. You feel the supernatural within your spirit. It adds up to more reason.
3. Hinduism is probably the only religion to create an unjust system of familial division vis a vis the Caste system. This is evil and destructive. Its like condoning racism or a forced segregation. Christianity, Buddhism and even Islam seem to be more fair to all believers. by the way I am no fan of Islam.
In the end, I decided to go back to my roots and am a happily married Roman Catholic.
April 26, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Hahaha good ol’ Pillai. I say Shalom to you too my uh..acid brained friend ! First of all I was the first to alert the moderator when the mistake of my post happened. Besides, unless you are blind, you’d realize that our IP Addrss were quite different. Anyway, what can one expect from a “hindu mind”. Maybe your “Holy cow” may enlighten you !
As for Mel Gibson being a “fanatic” ! I hardly think that matters. The fact still remains that Mel is probably still today one of Hollywood’s all time greatest stars. In 2005 post passion of Christ, he was voted as one of the top 5 most influential and powerful moguls of Hollywood. he was ex Mr Universe, great looking, enjoyed superstar status both in the United States and downunder ( Australia) and he owns one of the biggest production companies in the movie industry. So he smell’s success. And, I like successful people. Sure thing we all make mistakes, get drunk with assinine comments. But hey whats the big deal ?
And your rant devoid of logic in your last post proves that you and your cow worshippin’ kind have lost the argument. You know since you posted all those so to say “achievement list” of Hindu India in the ancient times.
I did my own research of Indians today. In the medical field :
There have been only two notable Indian Physicians , one of them is the top 5 endocrinologist and the other Dr Ramachandra is a noted neurologist who fares in the top 10 best Neuros in the country. Apart from that , the rest of the bunch are all average to below average Physicians ! And by the way, most MD’s in the States are still white guys. Indians only make the highest %age amongst Asian & African Ethnics.
Do you know that there are many Hindu docs who are debarred every year for malpractice and incometence.
The record for patient killings are held by two doctors :
Dr Jack Krevorkian, MD ( called Dr Death) and
Dr Jayant Patel, MD. ( also termed as Dr Death)
The difference being that Dr J Krevorkian killed his patients voluntarily. His clients were terminal patients, geriatrics etc who requested Dr Jack for euthanasia. Dr Jack did just that.
But in the case of our Hindu Dr. Patel, he killed more than 80 patients in the USA..he escaped before the cops could smell incompetence. He eloped to Bundaberg, Queensland, Australia..where he ended up killing more than 288 patients due to gross incompetence !
I don’t think you are in aposition to praise Hindu dr’s. who are for the most part below average to mediocre. When I did my check for India, I found that the leading Medical Cardio thoradcic surgeons in Asia and the top three in the world were Syrian Christians Dr Joesph Cherian, his palatial world famous hospital Madras Medical Mission was rated as the finest in Asia. The numero uno ( world’s top notch) Cardica surgeon in the world for your information is Dr Magdi, an Egyptian Coptic Christian settled in UK. The leading Orthopedicians in Asia were Indian Christians too, Dr Mohandas ( Protestant) of MIOT, Chennai and one Dr Rosario. Dr. Allan Donaldson, was one of the first Indian citizens to be honored with critical research in the prestigious BMJ medical council of Scotland. And, how can I end without telling you that the Christian Medical College is India’s No. 1 University started by American Christian missionary Ida Scudder and managed successfully by highly qualified Christian Physicans ever since.
And talking about NASA, excepting two names, Subraminan Chandresekhar and one Dr Kanna Rajan, EMPGEN. All the rest of the outstanding engineers and researchers were either Christian gentile white guys or Jews like our own Alan Shearer.The Hindus don’t compare in this feat.
And ah…computers and IT…I know that there are some significant Hindu Guys although a handful like Vinod Dham etc who’ve made some contribution to this field…but again my long list of white guys who’d drown these handful of Hindus would be embarassing to you..from Charles Babbage to the Finnish Linnux..Napster etc.
Oh and talking about the best programmers…go through any international prestigious IT software programming competitions…all the top 20 are guys from Russia, Scandanavia , Poland etc. They are followed by dudes from North East Asia ( Japan, S Korea), your Hindoo Indians are nowhere to be found. So much for the million cheap programmers who only take orders but can’t think for themselves. The only reason the Indian economy is better today since the mid 90’s is due to generous Christian Americans like Bill Gates and co. Once they find cheaper destinations ( Brazil, Phillipines etc), they’ll dump India for Good ( like what Dell did to its op centre). And talkin about Banglore being the next Silicon valley ? My ass. Check the newspaper..Siberia is the next Silicon valley. No kidding. Don’t underestimate the Irish programmers, they’re fairing better ( quality wise) than the super cheap Hindu IT slopes. A statistic recently showed that 52 % of the Indian Hindu IT programmers in Silicon Valley or in the USA for that matter are not qualified enough to handle the jobs. Many come on fake credentials. And about Hindu Might ? hahaha, tell those desperate souls caught illegally staying in Camden, NJ and deported back to Gujrat. What about your pro VHP Hindutva Babu Khatara, MP and his fellow Hindu stooges who were caught illegally smuggling people to the west. Even they die to get to the west by nook or by crook, and our great “Pillai” talks about Hindu Might ? Hahahaha.
And before I go you Hindu loser, let me tell you that you’re the weakest link in the evolution of all life forms !
P.S :
An insight into Hindu “Gods” :
– Krishna – a freakish little asshole who chases girls and actually steals, I mean STEALS butter and milk ! Such a guy today would be termed as a Juvenille delinquent and be locked up behind bars or put for comm service ! Yeah..one heck of a “God” you got there !
– Shiva – a man who apparently loves displaying his fat little cock to build temples and be worshipped ! Gimme a Break !
– Ram : Is so silly and human like, needs a woman ( just like any weak mortal, needs flesh !), the asshole doubts his own wife and exhiles her for years believing his father. If he was Gd howcome he never knew the truth ! What a loser.
hahahah, I think I had enough with u Hindu losers. Take care …I think I’ll call it a day !
April 27, 2007 at 4:53 am
Simonitz Rothstein AKA Vikas Dias. Whatever, man. I surrounder, I am waving my white flag. Hinduism is DEAD, all due to your mighty power of the pen (i.e., keyboard).
We Hindus are wiped out, all 1 billion of us, due solely to you. We Hindus did nothing worthwhile on this planet- time for your jesus to kill us with a laser gun. Woe is us Hindus. We are lost worshiping Lord Shiva, Vishnu and the like. Go ahead and use all bad names on Hindu Gods, no problem, we are defeated by you. My white flag, where is it? Here it is, can you see it fluttering in the wind- please, don’t make me wait anymore. I surrounder, like a meek Hindu, I surrounder to you mighty xtain, with jesus power.
We have no past (we did not invent a damn thing, we did not contribute anything, and our hands are stained with the blood of may due to our crusades) and we have no future- please nuke us to death. We do not belong on this planet. This planet belongs only to the might judeochristian people. KILL US now, put us out of our misery.
Only white people are beautiful especially people from Portugal. We do not deserve to live on this planet. Nuke us now. Nuke us now, nuke us now…..Kill in the name of your father in the heavens, and the holy spirit and such, father of jesus….please jesus, please baby jesus… please virgin mother Mary… please… please…Nuke us now, and get rid of non-judeochristian faiths on planet Earth. The only planet with intelligent life. Intelligent life that begot from judeochristian faith ONLY…. please jesus…
April 27, 2007 at 5:45 am
Vikas- help. You are the almighty Portueguese christian MD, and hence automatically blessed by baby jesus with ultimate knowledge.
1. You have a patient with anisoscoriasis. You suspect Horner’s syndrome. The patient also complains of acute facial pain. What is the cause:
a. Patient is a Hindu, hence cursed by baby jesus to suffer
b. Patient has trigeminal neuralgia
c. Patient suffered a recent thoraco-lumbar spinal cord compression
d. Patient has a pheochromocytoma
I am floored Vikas- can you substantiate your diagnosis with why the patient has Horner’s? Please use this space below to provide me your insoghtful answer, since you are the MD guy with an endocrinologist wife, especially Iris, as I hear they are next only to Portuguese in their wisdom, beauty and baby jesus blessings:
2. MDs are also helpful in research situations, since they are next only to jesus in their knowledge and power. A chemist was running HPLC analysis of primary adrenal medullary cell culture exudate. The chemist was floored, because all he could get on the HPLC was a big dopamine peak, and absolutely no epinephrine. ‘What the f..K’ he muttered (pardon him Vikas, he should not be using bad language in front of angel-like Portueguess Indian cross-bred christians like you. Like jesus said, lord, forgive him, he knows not what he is saying…). Now Vikas, the MD, cardiologist, could you please help explain to this chemist why only dopamine is being secreted by the cells?
Space for your educated answer:
3. Finally, Vikas- my friend has episodic high blood pressure, and has no familial history of hypertension. My physiology colleague, Larry mentions perhaps the person should check for pheochromocytoma. The MD has absolutely no idea what the heck is that, and why it happens, and how to diagnose the condition. The MD is educated in USA, with a dumbed down medical curriculum. Could you help Vikas, as you are the great cardiologist with the full power of baby jesus behind you? How would you diagnose and help this person?
Thank you so much. I am a poor slimy, filthy, curry-smelling Hindu (or Hindoo, is you prefer) scum of a human being, so I can’t pay anything for your medical input. But may baby jesus bless you…Besides, like all Hindooos, I like to keep my moneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee….
April 27, 2007 at 10:28 am
Yo whazzup with this dude Pillai man ? This guy mumbles on with his insane mumbo jumbo as if he is going on some pilgrimage to a hindu temple or somethin’ Dude Pillai whatever, get some serious help man. I be tellin yo to speak something which make sense mate !
Hey Wikas. Hellooo. If you be there and reading. You speak the truth brothah ! That fine ass chick Shakira sure got some brains. Did you know, Cindy Crawford had a perfect 4.0 in her SAT and was admitted to the North Western University for an undergrad Chemical Engineering degree. Although she was spotted by a modelling agency in her first year, she discontinued. But she coulda finished it. Talk about chicks with brains.
April 27, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Dear All Christians,
I want say something which is really serious !, Some changes have happened to after i participated in this Debate, i found more facts of Hinduism and Christianity.
Once i was walking in street, their was a church near by, my legs slipped and fell down a pastor also was their but no one came for my help, a Hindu priest came and lifted me and asked me i am alright.
Here i came to know how kind are the hindus are, then i dirty mind worked to tease him.
Then i started to ask one by one questions o n Hinduism, for my all dirty and stupid question that man did not got angry and answered to my all question with smiling face.
Then i realized, Hindus are very good in patience, tolerant, kind and helpful. These days my bad ideas on Hindus are gone. I started realized my mistakes.
Now i am think to convert to a Hindu and learn all the good things. Sorry Hindu friends i realized my mistake.
Simonitz Rothstein says:
“An insight into Hindu “Gods” :
– Krishna – a freakish little asshole who chases girls and actually steals, I mean STEALS butter and milk ! Such a guy today would be termed as a Juvenille delinquent and be locked up behind bars or put for comm service ! Yeah..one heck of a “God” you got there !
– Shiva – a man who apparently loves displaying his fat little cock to build temples and be worshipped ! Gimme a Break !
– Ram : Is so silly and human like, needs a woman ( just like any weak mortal, needs flesh !), the asshole doubts his own wife and exhiles her for years believing his father. If he was Gd howcome he never knew the truth ! What a loser.”
Simonitz Rothstein you must be shameful, dont use such a worst language, teasing other we may be happy but if same way we are teased think the pain what we would have got. These thing not said in BIBLE so please , so and fell on hindus legs they will forgive us of ours mistake.
I am starting saying SRI RAM bajan “RAM RAM RAM”. You also start saying then your sin will go and your christ will really forgive you.
April 27, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Dear Hindu friends,
I being a self proclaimed Hindu have been enlightened by the true words spoken by Vikas Dias. And the poster above i.e. Poster No. 335 is not the real Vikas but some Hindu fraudently using someone else’s name .i.e. in this case Vikas Dias. I have been made to understand that Hinduism is nothing more than a grand Sham or scam. The Christians came to India and uplifted us. I am also a firm believer of Darwin’s theory of evolution. A superior form of culture i.e. Judeo Christianity came and kicked out a truly inferior form of culture i.e. Hinduism. So the Hindus who converted and continue to convert simply evolved to a higher form. Just like elctrons move from a lower energy orbital to a higher one. I have already converted this morning and am a Baptised Christian. I am now a part of evolution, as for the arrogant, ignorant and stubborn Hindu fanatics who still prefer to stay as Hindus despite seeing the truth. All I can say is they are still devolved !
As for my hindu friends, I say stick with the times. Why believe in all these old fashion Ram , Krishna, Shiva uuuhhh boring pristine “Gods”. Hey, our enlightened friend Vikas Dias – the proud and successful Christian said that we must adapt with the times. And since every one of you Hindutvas adhere to the 5 Principles of the Hindutva. I say, we must speed up and build the “Sri Spidermanshri Mandir” ( I heard Spiderman – 3 has already been released !). Hurry up my Hindu Brothers. remember more than anything else, esp. logic, atleast we can make the best use of Christian/Jewish Hollywood franchise and make moneeeeeey ! Besides unlike the old fashioned silly Hindu Krishna, Ram and the other fartfaces, we now have a Hindu “God” ( never mind if he originates as a fiction Hollywood comic book character, he’s real name is Clark Kent- a Christian ! Besides all our Hindu Gods are the same in that respect). But come to think of it our new found “Sri Spidermanshree, Hare Om !” is jazzy, funky cool and happenin ” ! Unlike Chief supremo Monkeyboy and co. Hanuman..or that gay Porn blue skinned pervert Shiva or the juvenille delinquent who chases young girls like Radha and STEALS butter milk i.e. Krishna…Sri Spidermanshree is the best. He can fly over the tallest towers of Manhattan, can spew webs, can kick ass better, is fast and has a gori malai maal Christian blue eyed girl friend, a far cry from the otherwise ugly duckling Parvati, Radha and below average Sita ! Hare om, Spiderman is our new God !
Chalo, let us start with our pooja and Sri Spidermanshree bhajan – to our new and ultimate “God”…Sri Spidermanshri Om ! Om Spidermanshri Namas Shivaaya ! Hare Om ! Hare Spidermanshri Om, hare om !
April 27, 2007 at 2:04 pm
I am an ex Brahmin converted into Christianity. I was sickened as to the atrocities our deficient Hindu faith has done to our own masses be it the dalits, Adhivasisi, tribals or others. We Hindu Brahmins have been the pinnacle of selfishness, arrogance and stupidity. I was guilty to find this truth when I conversed with a nice Christian man. I wisely decided to convert into a Catholic Christian. I am proud of what I’ve done. I suggest you all to convert friends. Christianity reaches you to a much higher plane of success and strength !
Jesus is Lord, now and forever ! Praise God, Alleluia !
April 27, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Dear Vikas Dias,
I was shocked by reading the your comment no: 354. Really its funny but suddenly comment no: 355 a funniest comment i never read.
Its a proof of Corrupted, Converted , mentally handicap of Christian like Vikas.
Why Mr. Vikas first be a true, trusted man for any one religion for Hindu or for Christian. See your comments No: 355
“Pillai Says:
April 27th, 2007 at 1:58 pm e
Dear Hindu friends,
I being a self proclaimed Hindu have been enlightened by the true words spoken by Vikas Dias. And the poster above i.e. Poster No. 335 is not the real Vikas but some Hindu fraudently using someone else’s name .i.e. in this case Vikas Dias.”
See clearly “i.e. Poster No. 335”, a big proof because in comment No: 354 you have spoken by supporting the Hindus , you the big fraud i never seen in my whole life. You are a converted , corrupted Christian asshole.
Now one more fraud statement in Comment in name of Mr. Pillai. You want proof, i will prove that both Comment no: 354 & 355 you the corrupted asshole written and blaming the innocent Hindus.
See How i prove your comments No: 355, that Mr Vikas Dias has written in name of Pillai.
Just review your comment No: 316, a interview with a RSS member and “5 Hindu Principles”
“Dias : Yeah thats much better, Ramu ! Ok, now before we end. Can u tell our viewers, why does Hindutva promote so many false, imaginary fantasy “Gods” of ridiculous proportions like Ganesha, Hanuman, Rama ( the guy who doubted his wife’s chastity, pretty stupid) & yep, Shiva Linga ( phallus). I mean, since these hindu “Gods” are so freaking comic book like unreal, could I then add my own mythical comic book favorites like “Spiderman” and “Batman” into ur loong Hindu Poly”Gods” list ? Come to think of it, Ramu. Its great business-franchise. Heck, Hollywood is banking on ‘em for years now. See the opening of the latest “Spiderman 3″…word on the street is, its gonna rock big time man !….And, I sure smell MONEEEY ! Any final words Ramu ?
RK : Oh yes ji, hahaha….most definately. As I said the very belief om all our Poly”Gods” is based on the Hindutva PRINCIPLE NO. 2 – NO NOT SHIT ! I mean, MYTH MAKING! Nevertheless, a real shit indeed.
And why not : Spiderman, batman..they’re all welcome into our poly”list” ! Great idea about the franchise from Hollywood, Vikas. As soon as I return to Ayodhya…the first thing we’ll do is create a new mandir : ” SPIDERMANSHRI MANDIR”…Jai Spidermanji ! Hare Om Sree Spidermanji ki jai ho ! Hare om !!! Aur, Jai Batmanji bali ! Jai Angelina maa !!! OOoops ! Sushma Swaraj and Uma Bharati will kill me…yeiiieeeeks ! I better run saar….see you byeee.”
and you stupid commnets in No: 355
“As for my hindu friends, I say stick with the times. Why believe in all these old fashion Ram , Krishna, Shiva uuuhhh boring pristine “Gods”. Hey, our enlightened friend Vikas Dias – the proud and successful Christian said that we must adapt with the times. And since every one of you Hindutvas adhere to the 5 Principles of the Hindutva. I say, we must speed up and build the “Sri Spidermanshri Mandir” ( I heard Spiderman – 3 has already been released !). Hurry up my Hindu Brothers. remember more than anything else, esp. logic, atleast we can make the best use of Christian/Jewish Hollywood franchise and make moneeeeeey ! Besides unlike the old fashioned silly Hindu Krishna, Ram and the other fartfaces, we now have a Hindu “God” ( never mind if he originates as a fiction Hollywood comic book character, he’s real name is Clark Kent- a Christian ! Besides all our Hindu Gods are the same in that respect). But come to think of it our new found “Sri Spidermanshree, Hare Om !” is jazzy, funky cool and happenin ” ! Unlike Chief supremo Monkeyboy and co. Hanuman..or that gay Porn blue skinned pervert Shiva or the juvenille delinquent who chases young girls like Radha and STEALS butter milk i.e. Krishna…Sri Spidermanshree is the best. He can fly over the tallest towers of Manhattan, can spew webs, can kick ass better, is fast and has a gori malai maal Christian blue eyed girl friend, a far cry from the otherwise ugly duckling Parvati, Radha and below average Sita ! Hare om, Spiderman is our new God !”.
Just Compare the Similar languages used by you, this proves you are a cheater, fraud asshole.
Second Proof Go through Comments No: 332 – 336. Written by Mr. Pillai and now Comments No: 355. clearly proves their is a big change you had written in name of Pillai.
And one more thing Mr. Pillai had not written aganist Hindus in Comments No: 332 – 336, and from Comments No: 351 – 353, also proves their is a big change in language used by pillai. So This proves he did not wrote anything aganist Hindus, you have written by using his name and you are the cheater wants to create a un-peace environment between Hindus and Christians.
So your drama is end Vikas, now end you stupid thoughts on hindus
April 27, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Dear Hindu friends- As is the case with xtain scum- knwon for their cunning!, They posted # 356 using my name! Not only that, now they have testimonials from so called converted Brahmins!
I WILL NEVER WORSHIP JESUS! NOT EVEN IF YOU PUT ME IN A POT OF BOILING OIL. I AM A PURE HINDU.
Such is the nature of the xtain snake my Hindu brothers and sisters. Vikas Dias has not helped me so far with medical stuff I wanted him to answer- obviously, he is the cardiologist, and I thought he would help me out. Instead, you get funny posts from many xtains:
Post #354:”speak something which make sense mate !”- This idiot, like the whole bunch of them, has no sense of humor, and can’t understand the simple physiology questions I posted to Vikas.
Post#355- Our cardiologist has no answer to any physiology questions. His attempts at converting to Hinduism is the funniest thing he has posted yet. Hindus do not claim healing of paralysis by praying. That disctinction belongs to xtains (see Benny Hinn in action curing all diseases any time on American TV). But Vikas morphs into the acid jew and goes on with more BS- typical. He is like Mr. Jakyll and Mr. Hyde. Split personality problem!
Post#357- Some xtian posing as a Brahmin converting to worshipping baby jesus!
Vikas- cardiologist and also an acid jew with plenty of properties- please answer my questions, you may even ask your endocrinogist wife to get these answers-for post#353.
In other words- if planet Earth is ALL populated by Abrahamic shit- any alien spying on theplanet will move on- No intelligent life found here!
April 27, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Our Hindu friends have deluded themselves talking about Hindu might ? I don’t know whether to laugh out loud or scream with insane bewilderment. I prefer the former. So yeah, the all powerful Hindu scumbags are going to take over Christian lands and the world. Hahahaha, yeah right, I can just picture the elephant headed Maha Fat bum God riding on his tiny rat- Lethal Ganesha. So our Lethal Big fat arse : Lethal Ganesha and his rat-o-mobile are flying over Langley ( CIA), Pentagon, the M15 headquarters in England, Cologne
April 27, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Muhahahahahahahah..I guess Fatboy “Lethal Ganesha” with his tiny rat-o-mobile gives an all new meaning to the Harley Davidson best seller “Fatboy” after all. Maybe like Mr Dias says, you could franchise on the “Lethal Ganesha and pop Shiva – the desi Ron Jeremy with his small fat cock” as one whole new Marvel Comic series, DC entertainment group will buy the copyrights and you could make millions in a movie triology. See we Christians like to help our Hindu friends earn while they learn. Now be greatful to us.And to Vikas, you are cool ! You have won against these Hindi fools with grace. Take care folks.
April 27, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Muhahahahahahahah..I guess Fatboy “Lethal Ganesha” with his tiny rat-o-mobile gives an all new meaning to the Harley Davidson best seller “Fatboy” after all. Maybe like Mr Dias says, you could franchise on the “Lethal Ganesha and pop Shiva – the desi Ron Jeremy with his small fat cock” as one whole new Marvel Comic series, DC entertainment group will buy the copyrights and you could make millions in a movie triology. See we Christians like to help our Hindu friends earn while they learn. Now be greatful to us.And to Vikas, you are cool ! You have won against these Hindi fools with grace. Take care folks.
April 27, 2007 at 8:32 pm
What makes a Christian a winner and a Hindu a loser ?
A great eg would be the case of the 2004 elections :
The Upper Caste BJP Hindu Bhakt “Sushma Swaraj- our desi “Catwoman” hahah who was dead against a Christian Sonia Gandhi from winning elections. Sushma even went on record saying that, If Sonia won the elections, she ( Sushma) would shave her head off in shame. Well Sonia the Iron lady won and kicked the arse out of the Hinu BJP, she was the winner. As for the Maha Loser Ms Swaraj, the faceless coward did not shave her head and she is in hiding ever since.
April 27, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Roshan Mendonsa Says:
April 27th, 2007 at 8:18 pm e
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Our Hindu friends have deluded themselves talking about Hindu might ? I don’t know whether to laugh out loud or scream with insane bewilderment. I prefer the former. So yeah, the all powerful Hindu scumbags are going to take over Christian lands and the world. Hahahaha, yeah right, I can just picture the elephant headed Maha Fat bum God riding on his tiny rat- Lethal Ganesha. So our Lethal Big fat arse : Lethal Ganesha and his rat-o-mobile are flying over Langley ( CIA), Pentagon, the M15 headquarters in England, Cologne..”
( allow me to continue Roshan)
…and maybe, Lethal Ganesha and his ratomobile will start throwing his plate full of giant ladoos with his trunk, then he will be joined with cohorts of Super apes, hanuman. Together they will destroy the Christian worlds be it America or the Vatican or Europe ! Hah hah hah.
And I guess dr . Parvati , desi Ron Jeremy’s wife ( shiva) will re amputate Lethal Ganesha’s head with a hhuman one. Cranial replacement Veda hindu surgery. Hah hah !
“In other words- if planet Earth is ALL populated by Abrahamic shit- any alien spying on theplanet will move on- No intelligent life found here!”
Thats because the aliens won’t stand a chance with Christian power and genius to combat and beat the invading aliens. Now assume a world dominated by hindus or muslims. Alien battleships will come , study and decide that invading such backward under evolved beings would be a piece of cake ! End result : Invasion of Hindunised Earth and the end of mankind’s history !
April 27, 2007 at 10:15 pm
A New Mentally handicapped Christian of name Suzy Martin again saying same and shame story on Innocent Hindus.
Like this comments of Cheap christian again and again proves the cheap, corrupted mentality.
They have been hypnotized or brain washed by Pathetic, Coward, a Dead Ghost, Stupid, Mentally disabled a Stupid God of Christians called CHRIST.
Suzy Martin says:
“Thats because the aliens won’t stand a chance with Christian power and genius to combat and beat the invading aliens. Now assume a world dominated by hindus or muslims. Alien battleships will come , study and decide that invading such backward under evolved beings would be a piece of cake ! End result : Invasion of Hindunised Earth and the end of mankind’s history !”.
Sorry dear a small correction in your poor comments, “Thats because the aliens won’t stand a chance with Hindu power and genius to combat and beat the invading aliens. Now assume a world dominated by Christians or muslims. Alien battleships will come , study and decide that invading such backward under evolved beings would be a piece of cake ! End result : Invasion of Christianized Earth and the end of mankind’s history !”
Hahahahahahaha !!!!!
April 27, 2007 at 10:25 pm
Dear Friends,
See the big comedy, from Comment No: 360 – 364, These two humans again and again proving themselves that they are mentally affect, out of memory, cheap Christians.
These Christians became mental and repeating same sentence all the times like a parrot.
This again proves they are jealous on Hindus and Hindu Fundamentals. These Mentally Handicaps cant bear that many Christians are thinking to convert to Hinduism.
So they are spreading a fault information on Hindus in this debate. If we Hindus starting digging the misery mentally lost people of Christians Christianity, then they have no proof to prove there religion as a true religion.
I think these need a doctor, any body their please send these mentals to a mental hospital.
April 28, 2007 at 2:01 am
So far, the xtians have posted nonsense describing fat asses, and fat cocks, etc. while trying to belittle Hindu Gods. This has absolutely no effect at all on us Hindus, except making you xtains look like sex addicts. Hinduism does not depend on a central figure unlike xtianity. Take jesus away, you got nothing. Take the Nazi Pope away, the entire catholic church goes nuts.
But what is really telling is the xtains on this site, keep citing human organs of sex. This shows they are sex-crazy. Look at Europe, everyone is more pre-occupied with watching porno movies on TV (that is all they show all day long). No wonder the Muslims in Europe are going crazy- they can’t have the sex freely as their xtiain counterpart due to the unholy quronic prohibitions.
All talk- look at the mighty British army- their army people were taken prisoners by Iranian goondas easily last month. Tony Blair had to beg the xtain scum co-brothers, the Muslims to release them.
All talk- Where is Dr. Vikas Dias, the cardiologist? He has not answered a single question, that is meant for a 1st year MD student. Is Vikas hidind behind his endocrinologist wife? Is she farming potatoes in Ireland? After all, Irish came to USA due to potato famine.
Shalom (for the acidic jew part of Vikas).
April 28, 2007 at 8:37 am
Dear Christain friends
Read the following article
The Dreadful Dracula Houses of Kerala
The Catholic Christian Convents of Central Kerala
By Dr. C.I.IssacProfessor-CMS college Kottayam
The Central Kerala, particularly, the Kottayam district is the highest Christian populated [8, 95,000 or 45.83%] area and is the Vatican of India. It is the bastion of Christian vested interests also.A sizable number of priests and nuns works all over India are haling from this particular area. So it is the nuclei of India’s Christian conversion programme [India for Christ Programme]. Above all, the contemporary European Church is facing spiritual crisis due to its youths reluctance to ordain as priests and nuns and the Churches of Central Kerala solves that through the export of the same. Through this thumbnail sketch of the present-day Kerala Church, this article is intended to draw the attention of the esteemed readers on the malady of those Christian girls who destined to be as nuns or ‘bride of the Jesus’, within the four walls of the convents.
For the last two decades the disastrous end of young girls who embraced the nun-hood turned to be a news item in the column of the vernacular newspapers of Kerala. So far a dozen such news catches the headings of the press. Of the first is the pathetic end of 19 year old student cum nun Sr. [Sister] Abhaya of Pius X Convent in the heart of the town, Kottayam. She belongs to a lower middle class Catholic family of Kottayam district. On 1992 March 27th, her body was found in the well of the said convent. Her father Thomas Areekkara and mother Leelamma raised serious doubts about the death of their daughter Beena [changed her name in to Sr. Abhaya after taking the veil]. They categorically say that her daughter has any raison d’être to commit suicide.
The dawn of 27th March was a sad day to the students and teachers of BCM college of Kottayam, where Sr. Abhaya was a student, who met disastrous end in the Pius X convent. The Christian police officer who rushed to the spot was given priority to destroy the evidences, instead of collecting evidences related to her suspicious death. No doubt it was with the political blessings from above. Later ups and downs in the investigations are much evident to justify this doubt. The growing economic and political power of Christians [particularly the Church] in Kerala considerably influenced the course of its investigation. The parents of the deceased nun and the philanthropists of Kottayam continued their legal battle to book the culprit, miserably failed. The Christian CBI officer who was in charge of investigation resigned from the office while investigation was in progress. The suspected priest and the mother of the convent who ought to be the prime witness in the case were sent to Vatican by the Church authorities and subsequently they became the citizens of the Papal State. Even though the government of India has a healthy diplomatic relation with Vatican, the investigating agencies miserably failed to extradite them for interrogation.
The story of the disastrous deaths of nuns in the convents of Kerala not ends with the mysterious death of Sr. Abhaya. It was the beginning of a new turn in the history of church sponsored criminalism in Kerala. Subsequently, after two weeks, another nun called Sr. Mercy found dead in a waterless pond in the compound of the convent at Mukkootuthara in the Kottayam district. The all-powerful church hierarchy was able to manipulate the course of investigation from its bud and write-off the death as an accident of drowning. The story of the disastrous death coming out from the convents of Central Kerala is shrouded in mystery and equal or more than that in the 19th century detective novel Dracula of Bram Stocker.
Another scapegoat of the ‘convent-death’ is Sr. Paulcy of the Snehagiri [Hill of Love] Convent of Palai near Kottayam. It was on 17th May 2000. She died of the consumption of poisoned meet food. No other inmates of the convent is affected with food poison, is the paradox to be answered. But the convent authorities had given obituary advertisement in leading vernacular newspaper that Sr. Paulcy [35] died of heart attack. Even though she lost her life in the night of 17th May, the matter was informed to her parents who reside very near to the convent only after eight O’clock in the morning of the next day. Parents of the unfortunate nun raised doubts about the death and the police intervened. The post-mortem report negated the Convent hierarchy’s argument of the ‘heart attack’. The sister and mother of the deceased nun recollected the story which told her a few weeks back that, “a lot of foreign remittance is flowing to the Convent and she happened to see the details of the remittance caused the wrath of the Mother superior of the Convent and she scolded a lot her”. [2nd largest circulated daily of Kerala; Matrubhoomi Daily, Kottayam, 25th June 2000]. Any way the story of mysterious deaths of nuns clearly giving some clue that most of the convents in the Central Kerala are not only the abodes nuns but also the seat of mysterious transactions including the violation of the Commandments 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th. [For the details of the quoted Commandments, see Exodus, Chapter XIX, Aphorisms 2 – 17].
After a couple of months, Sr. Sofi, a 27 year old nun of Velliyappally Valakkattu Convent of Palai became the next victim of “Convent Tragedy”. Her body found in the well of the convent. As usual police has registered an FIR. But the investigation not yet reached any shore of conclusion. It is quite natural that a prominent leader of Kerala politics and his party is the product of the Catholic Church and he belongs to Palai. So in all the church/priest/nun related criminal offences are always shrouding in obscurity. Hence the unnatural death of Sr. Sofi also got the same destiny.
The story of the destiny of Sr. Anjo has yet another dimension. A 22 year old nun found solace in suicide on 29th December 2003. She was an intelligent and smart girl who opt the path of “Bride-ship of the Christ” owing to the compulsion of the family and parents. She was the inmate of SH Convent, Chanjodi near Kottaym. To the Anjo the life in the monotonous convent was boring and she thought about the deliverance. The parents and the Convent authorities insisted her to continue in veil. She lost all hopes of deliverance and finally she fond solace in hanging on the fan. [Feature from Keralasabdham Weekly,- a prominent Malayalam news weekly – 19th January 2003, pp 12, 13].
The tragic death Sr. Ancy, 32, of Bethany Convent of Ranny-Perunnadu was the story of yet another unfortunate who found [it is said] her destiny in the well of the convent. She was a teacher of the school run by the church. Her dead body found in the well in the early morning. But the convent authorities informed the police only after 10’O clock in the morning. This response of the convent authorities was doubtful. The police investigation lost its momentum elsewhere in the deluge of time. Once again the name of one more nun, Sr. Ancy, was also written in the list of Christ’s Brides, which appears, on the walls of paradise.
Now the story of unnatural deaths in the convents is not at all news to an ordinary Malayalee. Even though, it is genuine to bring the news of the tragic end of the last but not least nun. On 23rd June 2006 Sr. Lisa of Saint Francis Clarist Convent of Iravuchira, a hamlet near Kottayam, who ends her life in the convent by consuming poison. The relatives and guardians of the deceased Sr. Lisa strongly believe that her decision of ending life is the outcome of the torture and humiliation that met by her from the convent authorities. [Janmabhoomi Daily – a prominent Hindu news paper – Kottayam, 26th June 2006].
The above mentioned are only some identical incidents from a dozen convent tragedies that took place in the recent past. Those politicians who cast their covetous eyes on the vote banks of the Church have no sufficient will to ensure justice to the souls of the ill-fated women who forced to take veil. The parents of the unfortunate Sr. Abhaya’s fight for justice not yet produced any fruits. The power seeking politician’s interference in the investigation turned down as the stumbling block behind the way to ensure justice to the soul of Sr. Abhaya.
The wretched girls who fettered in the convents are hailing from economically poor Christian families of Kerala. The wealth and religion are not travelling together in the practical experience/case of Christianity in the west. The contemporary European Christian experience substantiates this universal truth. The rich European region is now reluctant to contribute priests and nuns to cater the demands of the Church. Now this gap is filled from less prosperous countries of Asia and Africa. The Church in Kerala is booking profit out of the economic backwardness that still exists amongst the Christian families and thus recruits girls from such families as nuns. Usually girls are enrolled in to the bandwagon of nunnery at the tender ages. The compulsions of the parents who are allured by the Church are grazing its lass to the ‘heavenly prisons’ [convents]. One cannot deny the role of convents schools to motivate young and innocent girls to the ‘slaughter houses’ [convents].
The Syrian Christian community with immense wealth, celebrating their marriage ceremonies with the pomp of “Maha Kumba Melas”, is the real culprit behind the plight of poor girls behind the bars of convents. The seven-digit dowry and celebration turned as a nightmare to the poor Christian families. So the economically weak in the Christian community can’t imagine marriage of their daughters. Kottayam, a small town of 25 lakhs of people and five Cathedrals with Christian economic dominance, has one and a half dozen ‘five star jewelers’ shows the extent of the pompous of richness of Syrian Christians. Now money is a deciding factor in this community. So, economically weak Christians are gearing to compete with the rest through acquiring money. As a result they are compelling their lasses to opt either to nursing or to nunnery. The convent is dam cheap as compared to nursing. So the economically too poor parents are forced to herd their damsels to the convents. Therefore, the Kerala’s Syrian Christian Church is the chief contributor of the 95% of nuns required for the proselytism activities of the Churches in India.
The allegations both moral and material are the universal ghost haunting the Christendom all over the world. One Catholic Priest from India [Kerala] got four months jail term for sexually abusing a twelve year old laity girl in USA. The convicted Rev. Francis X Nelson [38] hailing from Kerala served as the Confidential Secretary Kottar [Tamilnadu] Bishop Leon Tharmaraj. [The New Indian Express, Kochi, 28 March 2003]. Broklyn [USA] Diocese Bishop has forced to transfer 42 files related to sexual abuses involved by twenty five Catholic priests to the authorities during the trial of the Rev. Nelson’s case. [Janmabhoomi Daily, Kochi, 28 March 2003]. The Vatican recently confessed that priests and nuns under the Roman Catholic Church in several countries including India and Italy involving in sexual relations. La Republica daily of Italy reports that priests and nuns involved rape, conception and abortion are frequently reported from various regions. [Janmabhoomi Daily, Kochi, 22 March 2001]. Priests involvements in murder and other subversive activate are increasing at a high rate.
It is believed that the Catholic Priests and Nuns are chronic bachelors and chronic spinsters respectively who practices Bramachariay/Sanyasaa Ashram/life of hermit are using high calorie fat food is one among several reasons of the increase of sexual appetite. This is the main reason for the sex related crimes also. If the church is interested to maintain the purity of the concept of hermit life amongst its soldiers of proselytism, it is better to follow Hindu practices of vegetarianism and yoga. Otherwise papal effort to maintain hermitage in the Church order will be a futile effort.
Let us return to Kerala scenario. In September 2001 St. Alphonsa Church at Kolayad near Kannur was ransacked by some [the discontented laity] people. Those who are lamenting of Sanga Parivar attack on churches in other states followed lukewarm attitude towards this attack. This was happened so, because of the frustration that brewing inside the church. Fr. Job Chittilappally, a 71 year old padre of St. Varaprasada Matha Church, near Chalakudi in Trichur district found dead with stab injuries in August 2004. The Church has shown no enthusiasm in booking the culprit, is noteworthy. Earlier for petty problems nuns and priests along with laity display their might in the street. But in this case there were no such road shows. All these are the signs of the ever-deteriorating morale space of the Church and Christianity all over.
So here comes the question of social justice. The ill-fated girls who destined to the hellish suffering within the four walls of convents have the right to live. The government and constitution has moral and legal right to ensure the right of life of them. So the practice of recruiting girls to the convents before the growth of ‘wisdom teeth’ must go. The recruitment to the profession of nunnery at the tender age is not different from girl-foeticide. So it must be treated as criminal act and those who involve, with out considering the social status of person, must brought before the law. If criminal laws are not sufficient to deal with, it should make further laws to book the culprits.
April 28, 2007 at 9:15 am
Dear christian freinds,
Read the following words of of former Kenayan president Jomo Kenyatta which truly exposes the Christian Cult.
“When the Europeans came, they had the Bible and we had the land. They said that this is the book of God and asked us to meditate. When we opened our eyes they had the land and we had the Bible
April 28, 2007 at 10:17 am
Here’s something the Hindutva Guru will chant when they decide to use their mythical comic book hero ” Lethal Ganesha and his little rat-o-mobile to invade the ahh..emmm “Evil” Judeo Christian world !
Lethal Ganesha ( song lyrics, sung to the tune and rhyme of “Spidermanhree” )
Ganesha oh lethal Ganesha,
dwarf superfat bum Ganesha,
elephant face with a fat boy base,
rides a rat-o-mobile to lead the race,
Oh boy, heres the Lethal Ganeshaaa !
Ganesha oh lethal Ganesha,
Son of Dr Parvati,head amputee surgeon of the Veda !
Such a gluttonacious appetite for a greedy kid !
got a fat round belly, bloated over the lid !
Oh no, how do we feed fat boy Ganeshaaaa !
Ganesha, son of the sicko homo shiva,
sucks dad’s cock, & cries out jai maata !
hopes are sunk, so our “fatboy” measures his trunk,
compares it to shiva linga & tells dad, |I’M THE HUNK !
So shame stricken is our “homo nam hain shivaa !” ( in rhyme with om namas shiva)
Ganesha oh lethal Ganesha,
Belly so fat sized & all so round,
Spiced curry ladoos he hogs like a hound,
these are the WMD’s that he struts around,
Warns the Christian world that he’ll invade their ground !
Unleashes the power of his lethal “fart carpet bombs” abound !
Shakes the western world by “curry power fart bombs” with astound !
Oh hell, don’t mess with lethal stink bomb Ganeshaa!
so ssave us Hindus, oh lethal Ganeshaaa
yeah, we love ya oh fat lethal Ganeshaaaaaaa….!
April 28, 2007 at 12:32 pm
See another Ba..rd (Roshan mendosa)born to a portugese mercenary.We should wipe out these creed from our mother land
April 28, 2007 at 12:36 pm
See these ba..rds names ,Roshan, vikas etc These traitors neither have VIKAS nor Roshni.Why do they borrow all Hindu names?
April 28, 2007 at 8:34 pm
achu Says:
April 28th, 2007 at 12:32 pm e
See another Ba..rd (Roshan mendosa)born to a portugese mercenary.We should wipe out these creed from our mother land
…Exposed. My dear so called “peace loving tolerant” Hindus, check out such wonderful thoughts of genocide and extermination.
Oh and please read post number 158. With ample evidence it gives you the “introspection” of why Hinduism today is the most f-ked up, scrappy assed cult in the world. Also gives you the real answer why India was always invaded, defeated and enslaved by just about every non-hindu conqueror(s) who came to India, from the Kushnas, Alexander, Central Asians, Mughals and finally the Christian British. The answer is very simple & straight : Upper Caste Brahmin tyrants who selfishly dis united and sold out their nation & its fellowmen !
Also to Pillai : stop plagiarizing stuff from the posts of other Christians like Suzi. Be creative, unless thats impossible with your weak Hindu intelligence ! I’m sick of Christians being the torch bearers of all the world. Why is always our duty to civilise and enlighten the devolved sublimately civilized tribes like Islam or Hinduism. Why can’t you lower intelligent hindu life forms use your own brains. As usual you ungreatful wretches always need Christian help for everything. If not that, then you will gladly copy stuff from them. You idiots should get your act together and maybe then, we could have atleast a shred of respect for you assholes.
As for “Lethal Ganesha with his rat-o-mobile” and his “curry fart power engine” with his side kick “Supaah Ape – Hanuman”, wish them best of luck for their mission to “wipe out Christianity” ! Muhahahahahaha !
April 28, 2007 at 8:42 pm
We need’nt be tolerant. We will take you head on . That is what our bhagavat Geetha teach us.
Vande Mtharam
April 28, 2007 at 8:44 pm
achu Says:
April 28th, 2007 at 12:36 pm e
See these ba..rds names ,Roshan, vikas etc These traitors neither have VIKAS nor Roshni.Why do they borrow all Hindu names?
My dear Achuappa ,
At worst we ( a few Christians) may simply “borrow” a few “hindu” names. As for the majority of you upper caste Hindu worms. you fully use high quality Christian schools, aid, hospitals, charity, people, and worst struggle to live and settle in Christian countries like the USA and Europe etc. Not to mention wank of Christian white girls during your college days in India, whether its through the internet or foreign channels in India like Star Movies, HBO, AXN, MTv, Ftv etc. I’ve seen numerous hindu Brahmin girls in college who try and dupe wealthy Christian familes abroad to support their education, they lie and make up bullshit stories about their life. You Hindus are the worst form of Parasites , you should be praying and thanking all of us for the thousands of contributions we’ve done. I can always change my first name and set the record straight, but can you pay of all the debt and things, ideas, education, money etc you owe the Western Christian world ! No way, not a chance. You worms are not worth shit , thats the truth. No one bother about such stinky ugly fairy tale cultured morons like you. Hence to attract attention on your countless failures, you jealous brats simply walk with a chip on your shoulders ( much worse than even the blacks ) and blame the very same people who feed you. As other Christian poster have said : if you don’t like it here, Get out of the west. No one likes your kind anyway !
April 28, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Another brilliant post by Roashan A-hole:
” other Christian poster have said : if you don’t like it here, Get out of the west. No one likes your kind anyway ! ”
How you xtains going to do this? Don’t you know the US constitutional dictates? USA is a securalcountry, not xtain country. Right now may be xtains are in majority, but not for long.
By the way, same applies to you xtain scum- get out of India, you do not belong there. Give back all the treasures you looted, give back our lands (most of Kerala) you are now occupying, give back Goa (get rid of Portuguese scumbags), then , we will go back to India. Give us back all these things man, or shut up.
April 28, 2007 at 10:36 pm
Hey Hey , I thought this was unmoderated.Only for xians i suppose? What hypocrisy?(in everything).I dont have anything against Xianity as long as these missionaries and converts stop their show of dementia in India. I mean look at hypocrisy.The scientologists converged on VA campus after the killings for whatever reason.Hey may be recruiting to their faith.But the case in point is isn’t tha what the mossionaries do?So why this hypocritical behavior?Tsunami,Nithari, i mean these scavengers were there the very next day to “harvest heathen souls”.Hey that is the nazi pope speak.Another case of chronic dementia i should say.
April 29, 2007 at 4:22 am
Hindy brother, you are right. Our posts get moderated by the people managing this web site, while the xtain scum can post all kinds of vulgar things on Hindus, Hindu Gods. Am I surprised? NO. Look at our Hindu plight in Bharat- Hussain can paint our Gods as naked, Xtains can ban DaVinci code, etc, and we can’t even respond to xtain vulgarity here. This is xtain justice.
I want to take the quotation from an African further:
When applied to Native Americans:
“When the Europeans came, they had the booze and we had the land. They said that this is the blood of Jesus and asked us to drink. When we opened our eyes they had the land and we had the Booze”
When aplied to central andsouther Americans
“When the Europeans came, they had all the diseases and the Bible and we had the prestine land. They said that this is the book of God and asked us to meditate. When we opened our eyes they had our prestine lands and we had the Bible and the diseases (espcially small pox that decimated our ancestors)”
April 29, 2007 at 8:42 am
To Roshan Ba…Rd( You only deseve this address)
…Exposed. My dear so called “peace loving tolerant” Hindus, check out such wonderful thoughts of genocide and extermination’
What do you mean by tolerance ,tolerating all your Sh..t? That is not the tolerance we have been taught.It is essentially peaceful co existence. But you bas rd have crossed the limits . we know how to handle it.We are fighting conversion not because we are loosing numbers,but each convert is an enemy to the nation.All these Vikass and Roshans have amply proved that through their posts.
Your boasting of Christian colleges , and schools, only have past glories.Now compare educational Institution run by DAV and Bharathiya Vidya bahvan, Chinmaya misiion ,Amruthananda mayi trusts etc.They have far outshined your Christian institutions both in acedemic excellence and in instilling national pride.
Hindu resurgence is palpable everywhere and we know how to deal with you creeds when you ‘cross’ the limits.
April 29, 2007 at 9:33 am
I refer to the post no 348 by ‘François Gautier’Some one has played a mischief here mostly Vikas.This article was published months back by gautier. He has not posted this article for sure.He has embraced Hinduism and a freind of India .Given below is his web page.A must see
http://www.francoisgautier.com/
April 29, 2007 at 9:35 am
I refer to the post no 348 by ‘François Gautier’Some one has played a mischief here mostly Vikas(Thinking that it is pro christian).This article was published months back by gautier. He has not posted this article for sure.He has embraced Hinduism and a freind of India .Given below is his web page.A must see
http://www.francoisgautier.com/
April 29, 2007 at 10:30 am
See what francois Gautier has to say about Indian Spiritualism
INDIA’S ETERNAL SPIRITUALITY GOING GLOBAL
The West has lost the truth. We have lost the Great Sense, the meaning of our evolution, of why so much suffering, why dying, why getting born, why this earth, who are we, what is the soul, what is reincarnation, where is the ultimate truth about the universe… But India has kept this truth. India has preserved it through seven millennium of pitfalls, of genocides and attempts at throttling her santanam dharma.
And this will be India’s gift to this planet during the next century: to restore to the world its true sense. to recharge humanity with the real meaning and spirit of life. India will become the spiritual leader of the world, as India’s Great Sage, Sri Aurobindo, had predicted nearly a century ago :
“It is this religion that I am raising-up before the world, it is this that I have perfected and developed through the Rishis, saints, and Avatars, and now it is going forth to do my work among the nations. I am raising forth this nation to send forth my word…When therefore it is said that India shall rise, it is the Santana Dharma that shall rise, it is the Santana Dharma that shall be great. When it is said that India shall expand and extend herself, it is the Santana Dharma that shall expand and extend itself over the world. It is for the Dharma and by the Dharma that India exists”. (India’s Rebirth. p. 46 -Uttara speech)
And one is tempted to shout in the ears of all those westernised Indians of today, the eternal mantra: “Rise up, O India of the Vedic ages. Thou livest in the hearts of all thy people. Rise up O Westernised “secular” India, because thou art also the true India. Realise in your hearts the genius of the country which is yours. Stop comparing it to a civilisation, which is crumbling and cease equating it with parameters that are not hers. Wake up to the greatness of thy country. Not only the past greatness, which thou seekest to repossess in its music or in its temples, but the greatness that IS, there, waiting to be grasped again, waiting to be brought down concretely. Rise up O India, to the greatness that IS in you. Rise up O true India”.
Ah, we are coming back again full circle to the wonder that WAS India, the India of the Vedas and the Upanishad, which A.L. Basham, the best-selling author of “The Wonder That Was India”, criticised as being militant and politically disunited. But the truth was that they were united in their diversity, that it was much more democratic and allowed much more freeplay and freedom, individually and collectively, than the India of today allows. Let us again reread history, let us look at India, not through the Western prism, but with the ancient wisdom that She has bestowed upon us.
For indeed, this is one of the most amazing paradoxes of today’s world: here you have a country, India, which rates today as one of the poorest on this planet, which is disregarded by most Western nations (and many of its own people), as irrelevant, backward, too bureaucratic – and lately, as a hotbed of Hindu fundamentalism. Yet, India holds the key to the world’s future. For India is the only nation which still preserves in the darkness of Her Himalayan caves, on the luminous ghats of Benares, in the hearts of her countless yogis, or even in the minds of her ordinary folk, the key to the planetary evolution, its future and its hope. This knowledge which once roamed the shores of the world from Egypt to China, is today lost everywhere. Europe has now entered a turbulent Age; it will take a long time before it unites in spite of the near uniformity of its races and religions. The West, in its thirst for materialism, does not know anymore where it stands and has lost this precious knowledge, which India still holds, alone in the world.
The 21st century then, will be the era of the East; this is where the sun is going to rise again, after centuries of decadence and submission to Western colonialism; this is where the focus of the world is going to shift. And as when India used to shine and send forth Her Dharma all over the Orient: Japan, Thailand, China, Burma, or Cambodia and influence their civilisations and religions for centuries to come, once more She will emit Her light and radiate, Queen among nations: “India of the ages is not dead nor has She spoken Her last creative word; She lives and has still something to do for Herself and the human peoples. And that which She must seek now to awake, is not an anglicised oriental people, docile pupil of the West and doomed to repeat the cycle of the Occident’s success and failure, but still the ancient immemorial Shakti recovering Her deepest self, lifting Her head higher towards the supreme source of light and strength and turning to discover the complete meaning and vaster form of Her Dharma. (Sri Aurobindo).
But for that India has to succeed in her attempt to liberalise her economy, it has to learn to decentralise the heavy hand of its Government in Delhi, it has to rewrite its Constitution, which it adapted blindly from the British, it has to re-indianise her education methods, reform her political system, which has made a mockery of democracy… In one word, She has to become a superpower on par with any western nation. Then, when She will have the respect and the attention of the West, can Her message of spirituality and the ancient wisdom of santanam dharma, once again shine forth and bring down a New World to this beleaguered planet, which is on the brink of self-destruction.
FRANCOIS GAUTIER
* The author is the editor in Chief of La Revue de l’Inde, Paris-based magazine devoted to India and the correspondent in South Asia for Marianne, the largest selling French political magazine.
April 29, 2007 at 10:39 am
Pillai and all hindu brothers, We should refrain from using language which goes against our very nature. However this Roshan buffoon just pushed it to the edge. I would again say every religion has it’s own pain points. There is no religion that is devoid of it. Religion should show adaptibility to times. Hinduism has always shown this remarkable quality. While people like Roshan,Vikas,the jew character and Whacko Chacko “the big dick” think that hindus are “shit worshipping ugly black ass worms residing in some ‘god forsaken’ hellhole”, they are conveniently ignoring the achievements of hindus in these 60 plus years of true independance. They choose to belittle these achievements and highlight only those by converts like Cherian who thrive just because of backing from these demongelicals. If these converts and demongelicals think that the price of service is conversion then i would say “close shop and scoot”. We dont need you and have never needed you. If you think that serving dalits and down trodden people was your selfless act then i would say “baloney”. You know the truth and we know the truth. I mean can these people justify their need to resort to such immoral ways to gain recruits? And non hindu guys if you do want to kick me in the butt(denotedly speaking), please feel free to do so without resorting to your very frustrating habit of quoting from your bible. I find it extremely amusing when people make claims about some “facts” and then quote the source “Lo Behind” what else “bible”. Those are the times when i think ‘gawd’ it is better to be a hamster on wheel(hey why do i feel that some one somewhere is just getting ready to say that’s what i am if i am not a xian.yeah right but i prefer it that way) than to be a hindu’s ass spinning on this cyclic christian( and i should say missionary as i have a lot of really really good xian friends)rationale.
A note to all Christians.Hindus viewed Christians as peace loving, good human beings.”Unethical” conversion activities in India is just masking a massive assualt by Church to decimate our hindu religious fabric. Hindus are wary of it now.Anyways i am out of here.I was taken aback at the muck written about hindus by people who dont even qualify to talk a sentence about hinduism.
Peace to all.
April 29, 2007 at 10:47 am
Oh boy ! Now where do I begin. Well, I’m back home and am on to the comp. You see unlike you I don’t have the pleasure of sitting all day infront of a PC chatting with morons like you trying and start a religious “hindu jihad” ! Besides, as a doctor and a husband, I’ve better things to do for the most part. I’m on vacation, and my wife and I went out for a few days to spend some quality time at our real estate properties at the fertile and scenic Sacremento valley, CA. Oh and one of which happens to be a resort within a big farm which sports two swimming pools, a club, bars and other luxuries. And yes, her Irish father and her sisters n brothers do come here quite often. By the way not only do we grow “potatoes”, but also grape vines, tomatos, oranges and green apples. We’re trying strawberries this year, if we’re lucky with the humus ( top soil) etc we’d get it done !
And talkin about the ha ha “potato famine”, did’nt every ethnic community in the USA from the Anglo Saxons, Irish, Germans , Italians, Jews etc come here because things were tough in Europe at some point ? Believe in cases of India and China etc it was and still is much much worse. Besides, the Irish today are the most successful and wealthiest community in par with American jewry ! From the high powered influential Kennedies ( nicknamed as the first family of America) to the Fords, Hancock, Crosby’s, etc. Irish are someone to reckon with in the States ! It’s a brand and a symbol of pride ! Do you know that in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s there were actually many millionaires ( those days billionaires did’nt exactly exist) and now even billionaires who support the IRA and the boys at Dublin, Ire. ! I could go on with popular culture icons of Catholic Ireland who have become household names in the west from U2, Cranberries, Boyzone, Pierce Brosnan, Enya, Micheal Moore ( pop American activist and award winning movie maker), Aidan Quinn, Colin Farrell, Sharon Stone, Grace Kelly, Hulk Hogan, Drew Barrymore ( voted as most beautiful star in the world 2007), etc.
Honestly, before criticizing someone as high as the Irish, compare how many Americans or anyone for that matter even know about duh..ha ha Hindoo Americans ? Yeah, they see the cow everyday before they butcher it for meat and food….which later become ( as Newton so well put it) SHIT ! But apart from your Ghai matha ( Holy Hindoo Cow) what else can be said ! When the yanks or Euros actually think of Rama or krishna , they think of some cartoon character retard high on grass , charas, or crystal Meth ( narcotic drugs !)…but apart from that my dear “ hindoo” ( as you’ve called yourself in the previous post).nothin’ much.
By the way in ur previous posts, u actually surrender and accept that you’ve LOST the debate. But in some of ur recent posts, you go back to your mindless attack mode again ! Are you having Amnesia. And who the hell are you to test me, I have a real job and am not like you Hindu retards, holdin on to some fiction, non historical belief system which is downright ridiculous and futile. Hindu India has always been a loser, admit it or not. Historically , never have they been No. 1. Always invaded by an outside force. Always lost in battle to outsider, seriously, except for the Mughals ( muslims) who could keep the huns and mongol Il tuth mush hordes out and the effective portuguese who held their own against muslim Aurangzeb..and the most effective Christian Brits who ruled India for more than 200 yrs and Voluntarily left it. Unlike America where they actually FOUGHT and WON their independence ! Hindu India used the guise of non violence on one ened and RSS style resistance mode on the other. Trouble is both were crushed with great effect by the Brits. The truth is the British were NEVER defeated. They CHOSE to leave India. Even today, with the help of ally USA , Britian can still easily re invade and rule Hindu India for another millenia if need be ! So your Hindoo might is as fictitious as your Rama, Krishna or some other Asshole mythical universe. And NO, we don’t want and need your kind and esp. you Pillai to convert into X’ianity. We’re better off without inferiors like you to pollute and rot our superior culture.
You have a patient with anisoscoriasis. You suspect Horner’s syndrome. The patient also complains of acute facial pain. What is the cause:
1. a. Patient is a Hindu, hence cursed by baby jesus to suffer
b. Patient has trigeminal neuralgia
c. Patient suffered a recent thoraco-lumbar spinal cord compression
d. Patient has a pheochromocytoma
WELL PILLAI : The presence, absence, and/or location of anhydrosis ( which you missed to mention) is a vital sign that may be elicited from the history itself. Nevertheless, based on the very flimsy and poorly written info. That you’ve given ( note I’m handicapped without a proper subjective and objective examination, tests etc). An educated answer would be option B. Trigeminal neuralgia : simply because it sounds like a third order neuron lesion with acute facial pain aka pain and numbness ( probably, can’t confirm unless I personally take a subjective assessment with the patient myself) along the distribution of the 5 th cranial nerve.
I am floored Vikas- can you substantiate your diagnosis with why the patient has Horner’s? Please use this space below to provide me your insoghtful answer, since you are the MD guy with an endocrinologist wife, especially Iris, as I hear they are next only to Portuguese in their wisdom, beauty and baby jesus blessings:
GOOD GRIEF PILLAI :
“iris” ? Correction, its Irish ! Just so that you know, the Irish are a Celtic ethnic tribe settled and native of Ireland, wheras the “Iris” is a part of the human eye !
2. MDs are also helpful in research situations, since they are next only to jesus in their knowledge and power. A chemist was running HPLC analysis of primary adrenal medullary cell culture exudate. The chemist was floored, because all he could get on the HPLC was a big dopamine peak, and absolutely no epinephrine. ‘What the f..K’ he muttered (pardon him Vikas, he should not be using bad language in front of angel-like Portueguess Indian cross-bred christians like you. Like jesus said, lord, forgive him, he knows not what he is saying…). Now Vikas, the MD, cardiologist, could you please help explain to this chemist why only dopamine is being secreted by the cells?
Correction, its not “Portueguess”..its Portuguese ! You have some audacity testing me on such basic medical knowledge. Here’s some nice sensible Christian advise : before testing others, test yourself. From what I’ve read. I think you need to either go back to primary school and learn the basic foundation of the English language and spelling ( or) you’re better off suing your school and demanding a refund , therby saving your parents hard earned tax money !
“Space for your educated answer” : Hmm. Talking about the PC 12 cells from rat pheocromocytoma ! They’ve even patented it better : United States Patent 5158881, just so that you know my “poor slimy curry smelling hindoo ” friend ( as you’ve called yourself in the previous posts) !
3. Finally, Vikas- my friend has episodic high blood pressure, and has no familial history of hypertension. My physiology colleague, Larry mentions perhaps the person should check for pheochromocytoma. The MD has absolutely no idea what the heck is that, and why it happens, and how to diagnose the condition. The MD is educated in USA, with a dumbed down medical curriculum. Could you help Vikas, as you are the great cardiologist with the full power of baby jesus behind you? How would you diagnose and help this person?
Please, “hindoo” don’t mock me with such trivial silly questions. Ok ! I’ll put this in layman terms to you :
Pheochromocytomas are tumors of the adrenal gland which produce excess adrenaline arising from the adrenal medulla !
A simple lab testing includes that of, 24 hour urinary catacholamines and metanephrines , Serum catacholamines, Adrenal tumors can be determined by X rays.
As for treatment : I don’t know much about your buddie, I’ve never met him, examined him personally myself. But generally a new technique of minimally invasive Laparoscopic Adrenalectomy is performed in a good no. of patients.
Vikas Dias.
April 29, 2007 at 10:53 am
Hindu brothers shun all missionary institutions in India.They cannot survive on 2.5% of population(and 2.5 % is another lie perpetrated by Church to hang on to the benefits of reservation and what not…i dont know where deception ends).Hindus dont need this information doctoring by such kind of institutions.Lets go back to our vedantic roots and show to people like Big Dick and Vikas what wre can achieve when we stand up “United”
April 29, 2007 at 10:53 am
Your boasting of Christian colleges , and schools, only have past glories.Now compare educational Institution run by DAV and Bharathiya Vidya bahvan, Chinmaya misiion ,Amruthananda mayi trusts etc.They have far outshined your Christian institutions both in acedemic excellence and in instilling national pride.
Dias says :
Achu , wake up and smell the coffee. Those Hindoo Mission don’t compare with the standard and quality of Christian run unis. Do your homework. Besides, you should tell your Hindoo brethren why they still prefer and make a beeline to X’ian run educational orgs..be it schools or colleges !
Now, either accept the superiority of X’ianity or shut up, because you look desperate and stupid. Stop comparing a Superior Mercedes Benz with that of an Ambassador ( great Vedic technology)!
April 29, 2007 at 10:58 am
As for achuappa and his Hindu sidekicks :
“Hinduism will take over the world and Christianity will die down” ?
Hahaha, surely in your dreams my hallucinating friends ! I’m sure your comic book imaginations of “Lethal Ganesha & rat-o-mobile and his atomic disaster like curry fart bomb potentials” along with his “supaah ape-Hanuman” sidekick will eventually try and invade America, EU, etc.
April 29, 2007 at 11:01 am
Hey Vikas, That beeline would end pretty soon.Time for you to wake and smell coffee in fact.Talking about superiority i would refrain from entering into this juvenile topic.May be it does look to you that i shut up,right?
Bingo ! Got to get the army ready for the hindu jihad
April 29, 2007 at 11:04 am
Roshan, I must give you this, you are pretty funny at times.That thing about fart bombs had be splitting at my sides.
Good one!Despicable but funny nevertheless.
April 29, 2007 at 11:11 am
Roshan, I agree Xianity would never die and i wish it it doesn’t.Only when there is evil can the good can be accentuated.My concern is that your well planned and superior xian orgs may run over my religion. Hey but you know what we would give you guys a run for your money.A spiritual resistance that you have never seen.Sorry forgot in your fantasy world spiritualism only belongs in some moth ridden,faggot infested hellhole called India.
April 29, 2007 at 11:14 am
Oops, did i say faggot, i meant maggot.Sorry bud,hurt your religious sentiments for a brief moment there.
Cheers. You see we hindus have a light side to us too
April 29, 2007 at 11:22 am
Hey Vikas slow down bud. I dont know about Pillai but to me you “the MD” and i am not being sarcastic one bit(in fact i have deep respect for people who can comprehend that ass backwards medical lingo).Let me ask your advice. What medication would you advise for a itch that doesn’t go away?
April 29, 2007 at 11:41 am
And before you correct my grammar Vikas, it is “an itch”.Phew…just saved my ass at the last minute there that superior christian scrutiny.Am i happy or what?
April 29, 2007 at 2:23 pm
From the posts it is clear that all the christians who have written are converts. I am sure each of them have taken money to get converted to christianity. Only bribes work in this religion of insane and stupid idiots.
April 29, 2007 at 6:10 pm
VikasDias is back- and took time to look up answers on the internet to the questions I posted , that are of of the standard of 1st year medical students.
Q1- OK
Q2-You screwed up- I mentioned ‘primary’ adrenal medullary cells, not PC 12 cells. You got it totally wrong. Go back on the internet and check on this? No way, you won’t find an answer to this on the internet, and that is why you could not get it. I doubt your potato farmer Irish endocrinologist would either.
Q3- OK- Answer to this one can be found on the internet.
OK Vikas, you pass with a 66% (2/3), I would not recommend my friend to go to you, unless you have a millions of dollars that covers malpractice. You have a long way to go before you are a qualified cardiologist. Go hit he books man, none of us here are convinced about anything your jesus said or the bible says as the supreme truth, whatever that may be.
Better spend your time reading medical books. I don’t care for peoplel ike you,hence I do not care about my spelling of ‘Portuegues’ or any other words. You people just do not merit that type of meticulous attention to spelling. I am convinced, after interacting with people of Portueguese origin, they are the worst lot in India. We should have kicked out all xtains out of Goa. Stupid congress govt.
I agree with Hindu brothers, I should not have used bad language. I could not help it because the stupid moderators of this place let all obscene language on Hindu Gods be printed here. I will not be using bad language anymore.
April 29, 2007 at 8:31 pm
To Achuappa,
You want call me ” Roshan Bard ” ? I say unto you, pls go ahead dear ! After all, Bard is the title of reverence in the west. In 17th and 18 th century classical Victorian era, the title Bard was given to great men like William Shakesphere – Bard of Avon ! Thanks achuappa malabari choothya !
As for Vikas Dias, Dude you rock man ! You kicked Pillai’s ass. Don’t worry, the loser is to much of a rockbottom shit for you. You are much better. High five brother !
And…coming back to our story :
How will Hinduism take over the world :
OK, like the comic book fiction scripts. Here’s a synopsis of what will happen when the “hindu brothers” get together like a fellowship to take over the Superior Christian world !
All the main Hindu Gods will have a conference to chart out a plan , a “modus operandi” to invade the west. This will have the Hindutva President : Homo Nam hain Shiva, next in command will be first lady Dr. Parvati ( Vedic Head amputee surgeon and holy mother of our hero LETHAL GANESHAAAaaah), next will be our very own comical your’s truly Lethal Ganesha and Rat-o-mobile, followed by his sidekick “Supaah ape- hanuman” ( the male virgin , who believe it or not has never F-ked a chick & much worse has’nt wanked for a long time !)…the other supremes include arch rival of the Pres. Shiva ( our Hindu version of a short fat cocked “Ron Jeremy” for gays) , that is Rama – the brainless asshole who is totally gay, and so he pretended to look the other side when the cool dude Ravana eloped and f-ked his wife ( Seeta), he deliberatly or rather foolishly believed his old fart pop Dasaratha and exiled his “biatch” Seeta, so that he could stay back and assf-k and suck all the dicks of Ayodhya, including that of his pops and three brothers ! Seetha will accompany Rama- the fag in this mission. And last but not least we have our very own “blue skinned butter milk addicted asshole who STEALS and plays a flute badly- Hare Krishna !
Now, as they meet and decide to take over the world…..Shiva ( pres) will preside. This serious meet is interrupted by naughtly late comer playboy Krihna ( who Shiva secretly envies as a sexual rival). Shiva gets pissed. Now When playboy Krishna enters with his flute, he winks at Dr parvati and rudely back anwers shiva…our Desi Ron Jeremy can’t take it any more. Pres Shiva snatches the flute from Krishna and shoves it straight up his ass. Brutally cutting Krishna’s entrils and killing the little blue skinned asshole on the spot. With Krriiiissssh outta the way. Ram – the faggot shows his bow and arrow at Shiva. Shiva and Ram have a fight, sadly the arrows miss and Shiva pierces his duh..mighty “trishul” through “Rama’s” testicles sayin ” Hare om, take that you fag !”…Seeing this Seeta and co biatch Dr Parvati have a catfight in the mud of Benares, they strip each other and have a mud fight …..OOOh , how playboy, Krishna woulda missed that ! Well Seeta is no match for the lady Dr. Dr. Parvati takes a surgical knife and cuts out seetas boobs creating a big hole through her Thorax. She then takes “fatboy, lethal Ganeha’s” trunk and vaccums all her internal organs killing seeta on the sopt so she can join her fag stupid ass hubby Ram in hell !
Now with only the “first family” of hindutva remaining ! Shiva orders his wife to get some food ready as it had been a long day. He’s famished after the fights. Dr Parvati is in no mood for “ron jeremy’s” bullcrap. She takes her sword ( which she took on loan from Kalimaatha ( durga) during the last month’s Hindu feminist meeting and then cuts out Shiva’s linga ( his greatest asset !)..she declares hence forth Shiva- you will be a dancing Eunuch ! No more Natraj Dance, it will be “hijada nach”. Shiva is banished from the Hindu heaven and is thrown down the streets of Mumbai where he continues his existence s a leader of the Eunuchs ( no wonder, Hindus always pay and respect Eunuchs as holy and Godsend !)
As for Dr. Parvati, she summons our “Lethal Fatboy” and blesses him for his mission of vengenance against the “evil” duh…Christians of the west who hahaha lack any “culture” !
She prepares “Lethal Ganesha’s” magic potion. The Spiciest curry ladoos, she then calls earth and assembles an army of all the curry hindu IT super cheap programmers to aid Lethal Ganesha. She promises the IT HIndu earthlings, that if they do well..she’ll gift each of them with the spiciest curry and a bowl of rice. The Hindu computer slaves rejoice and celebrate their Diwali with glee ! Yummy they say…we’ll get our bowl of curry from paradise !
Lethal Ganesha then hogs his bowl of curry ladoos , smacks his lips, says OOOOOOOoaaaammm, yummmy Amma, blurrrp !
Dr Parvati blesses him and says, go raja, destroy the west ! Okkkkkaaaieee Ammmmaaaa !
Of he goes with his rat-o-mobile and “supaah ape” !
….as they approach Europe, Supaah ape tells “fatboy” or rather ” fartboy”, now that he’s loaded up his intestines ready to use his super atomic power fart bombs against the “evil” Christians ! “supaah ape” tells Lethal G..look lets part ways, I’ll head for America and be your spotboy, you destroy Europe !
They part ways :
Supaah ape reaches the coast of USA. Well the American Christians and Jews are not fools. They’ve a fantastic plan. They place giant posters of Christian beauties like Drew Barrymore, Liv Tyler, Monica Bellucci, Rose McGowan…and on the other side are giant posters of Jewish chicks like Scarlett Johansson, Alicia Silverstone, Natalie Portman. Hanuman-Supaah ape freezies. He gawks at the ladies, after so long…such fine quality celestial hotties he was deprived that too living amongst the butt ugly hindu ammas of the mahabharats and Ramayana. Oh bajrang bali….says hanuman…what the F-K ! Without thinking, he reaches for his dhoti and masturbates himself to death !
Now, Lethal Ganesha rides on his rat-o-mobile. He decides to take Vatican i.e. Rome as his first casualty. The Italians have a great plan too….they prepare the largest bowl of “cheese”….Fartboy’s rat smells it and it drives the rat insane. The rat thinks why the f-k should I give two damns about this fat asshole “Lethal ganesha”, after all how long should I serve this fat piece of shit. Suddenly, Lethal Ganesha’s rat-o-mobile turns upside down, throwing “lethal Ganesha” to his death on the grounds of the Vatican, where the “Nazi pope” is waiting. The Nazi Pope then places his foot over Lethal Gnesha’s chest and places the Celtic cross as a triumph of Christiandom defeating Hinduism ! The rat digs the cheese ( actually filled with poison and dies too). The Nazi pope than takes our comic book hero “Lethal ganesha and his rat-o-mobile” to a concentration camp not far away…he then places the bodies in a gas chamber..and our mythical Hindu Gods turn into ash meant for manure !
Dr Parvati gets the bad news..she’s enraged and sends a lightening bolt to the giant assembly of curry super cheap hindu IT programmers, they all burn to death too. All alone, she takes the FLUTE left by the dead Krishna and uses it as a sex toy ( dildo) to wank with for the rest of her sad life !
Thats how Hinduism will end. My hindu friends, don’t believe the BS of your Mythical Gods..there won’t be any curry from paradise. So quit wasting your time on Hinduism, the lost cause.
April 30, 2007 at 7:12 pm
Check out this fool Pillai :
A. He frames his silly questions all wrong. Can’t even spell Anisocoria correct. He gives an incomplete info. in each question as if I’m supposed to guess work magically what the patient looks like. Is this guy an idiot or worse ? Too bad I came after my two day visit to Sacremento, CA and had no time to wait and look through your q’s….It took me a mere 5 minutes to write the silly basic level questions. Anyway, so what if |I accidentally mis read the 2nd question…its not an exam and you above all low IQ hindu inferior have NO RIGHT to question me ! You must be some illegal puss sucker who has so typically of his Hindu low IQ retard jerks come to the west on fake documents and false credentials. Thats why the H1B visa is being widely challenged by the leading politicians, Congress and most imp. mainstream Americans. Your Hindu low IQ scam is being exposed ! Unlike you brainless beggars, I had to work hard and rightfully earned my degree. Besides, if you actually think I’m gonna waste all day like you looking through the net for answers then your quite wrong. You see, as I said before, unlike you I ain’t got the time to waste all day on the computer and net chatting with losers like you. For all you know, you jobless welfare dependent freak maybe spending ur quality time masturbating on white Christian women on the internet sites. Thats all you crapheads are worth. I have a beautiful lifestyle and even more beautiful wife and nice friends to spend time with.
B. The second question was badly written, trust me, I showed your crap to my wife and some of my colleagues, one of ’em was a Hindu Brahmin ! They all laughed looking at the question, and asked : ” dude, who is this retard, Pillai ?” I’m serious. In all your q’s you’ve missed out vital points , any examiner is supposed to ask..check my above reply post. I’ve pointed them out.
C. You have got to be the biggest liar and fraud. You claim that 1st year med students would know how to diagnose neurological conditions etc. Well thats bullcrap. Be it India, Scotland, America or even France ( which has the highest standard of education for Medical degrees), in the first year students typically are introduced to Anatomy, Physiology, Biochem, Histology. They don’t learn how to diagnose and use differential diagnosis..who are you kidding, Pillai – Mr Liar ! Heck, that part comes much later. Infact they start Pathology by 2nd year…the first question in your silly post ( actually all your q’s were cheap shit) was a typical diagnosis based one. Tell me where any and I mean any 1st year Med. can make a spot diagnosis on even the most simplest condition. If that was the case then maybe I would like to know which University has started such a break through ! Hahhahahaha, Maybe they would’nt need residencies and time wasting internships after all. Oh and my “potato Irish Endocrinologist” was having a blast reading your brainless deceptive crap. And she is far far more worth than you or your entire bottom barrel degenrate family OKay ! Next time, you try and ask a question, atleast have some sense in denoting what the subjective, objective and test results were. Its otherwise called as investigation !Your a loser, moron and a big time liar !
D. You call yourself “Pillai” right ? “pillai” is a non brahmin, OBC caste. Now in Tamil Nad, a state renowned for its anti Hindutva, anti Brahmin, and more sensible atheist, higher IQ, pro Christian, pro sense policies..how come you a south Indian Dravid Tamil chooses to go with the more Indo Aryan North Indian Hindutva mode of thought ? Very strange…you must be a liar. Using the HIndutva principle No. 3 ( Hypocrisy & deception) again, eh ?
Periyar, Annadurai down to DMK have always to the best of my knowledge been pro tamil, pro dravidian , intelligent etc. The Indo Aryan Sanskritization was forced centuries back on the distinct Dravidian culture. This is a fact. I know many Pro dravid party members and they hate being called a Hindoo ! Becoz they gave a more factual and historical explanation of how Indo Aryan Hindutva Bullshit was forced on ’em. And here, lies the OBC, Tamil, Dravidian hypocrite ostracizing “X’ians” for using “forced conversions” ?
Look , let me get one thing straight. Unlike Roshan ( I know he’s a great guy, funny and factual, but a tad too obscene) , I don’t want to waste my time degrading every religion to rock bottom. The only reason I exposed Hindutva BS ideology was that when Chacko..started this thread, he used very civilized and polite tones to express his displeasure of trouble making Upper caste jerks trying to rouse communal hate by spreading anti-X’ian stuff , which for the most part was wack and lies. What wrong did he do by that ? He has that right to express himself ( albeit in a civilized tone), he did just that ! Now, observe…suddenly many Hindoos start attacking him and the minority X’ian posters who are explaining everything in a non defence, non attack, but neutral tone. The Hindoo even go so far as to attack, defame and mock Christ and the religion which is followed by more than 2/3rds of humanity esp. the very advanced West , where you and I thrive. Look, I could’nt tale this shit, and so I gave those Hindoo monkeys just what they deserved – a taste of their own medicine.
Anyway, the argument and debate has been won by our side. We got some replies which were factual and some merry and funny like Roshan Mendonsa ! Its been great..see ya. And to pillai , you can either “THINK” something that you & ur kind may have rarely done ( unlike most JudeoX’ians) OR you can continue to wank at the white chicks on the internet, idly wasting your time having illusions of Hindooism or Vodooism taking over Christian worlds – which will never ever happen ( this fact was even admitted by another poster on ur side called “Hindu” ). So buckle up and start harnessing your grey cells for a change ! And before I go , some nice Christian advise :
“Don’t talk from your ass, talk from your head.”
Goodbye and Godbless !
April 30, 2007 at 10:21 pm
How dare you insult our Gods Roshan. Just because our Hindu customs look funny and we may never be as remarkable as the Christians on the whole. That will still not give you the right to make such vulgar comments. And my hindu friends, don’t acknowledge people like Francois Gautier. I know he is a big supporter for our Hindu cause, but his opinions don’t matter. Lets stop making such falicious beliefs as the whole truth. I agree to an extent with people like Vikas because he says we must enter a culture of reason and not blind belief. Pillai, I don’t see your point at all. Kindly refrain from using obscene language and please use some sense into your comments.
Peace to all.
May 1, 2007 at 12:54 am
Yeah Ramanujan, you really are hindu and we believe your post to it’s very bone. VCome on dude should have put a little more effort on deception.Hey that comes naturally to people of your demented cult. Gosh wish i could take time the to write in response to rabid Roshan and Stuck up Vikas. Anyways would keep checking.
Hey Ramanujan quit it bro
May 1, 2007 at 1:10 am
And Roshan, we could use the choicest of words for your Virgin and her son(man i almost want to denigrate..Son sounds so docile.May be something like pup would be more apt but then hey i would let it go).
Guess not all of us bathe in gutters. And Mendosa bro, language is an expression of thought and soul. You have through your expression provided a reflection of your soul.
Not impressed i must say.
May 1, 2007 at 9:38 am
Vikas the IDIOT,
Pillai will again ask you questions. Be prepared .,Next time try to improve your score
See the following news item.
Chalakudi: Kerala police registered cases against the Christian Mafia Centre in Muringoor as per the recommendation of the report submitted to High Court by I.G.Vincent Paul.Justice R. Basanth dismissed the petition filed by the Mafia centre and ruled that the court has the right to order inspections even if it is a place of worship or prayer.
Cases have been registered against the 10 people including the mafia head Father George Panakkal. Others are Chief Administrator Father Mathew Thadathil, Sister Theresa, Dr. Thankamma and few inmates.The charges slammed are all serious offences.
As per FIR,More than 1000 people have been killed from 1996 to 2006 in this Mafia centre. In the name of Christianity this centre was acting as the biggest fraudulent centre in Nation exploiting the naive people.Those who oppossed this frauds were threatened or intimidated and those who won’t succumbed to it are wiped out.
Cases are registered under sections IPC 328,202,120B for the frauds and illegal medications given to inmates without proper Medical advice without licence. The Team of police and Doctors raided the centre seized many drugs and medicines which are legally banned. Cases are also registered for conspiracy , for cremating bodies without post-mortem and against financial irregularities in foreign funds.
Many people were reportedly murdered and gone missing from this fraud centre for Christian Conversion.
May 1, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Test for all Chrisian fundamentalists(Courtesy scibd.com)
(Mr. Pillai, all these christian nuts will score 100%)
Top Ten Signs You’re a Fundamentalist Christian
1 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
2 – You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
3 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
4 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!
5 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
6 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
7 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”
8 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity
9 – You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
10 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.
May 1, 2007 at 9:08 pm
Dear hindu brothers,
Don’t mind the Christian aggressors. They don’t dare insult our gods. we are better position then them because our hindu religion is much greater than Christian, Islam and Jew religion. Jews are downcast people, like blood sucking rakshyas. Look what they do in palestine against inoocent muslim people. And islam is a big foolish religion of hate. Christians are the most dominant and is very powerful and people misuse it. Buddhism, Christianity, Islam and other Abrahamic cults are not worth. We should keep our heads high in pride. India is the great land of Sri Ram and Sri Krishna. Before christians in England & America, we already used air space technology. It is true. In Ramayana, it is clear that Sri Ram used chariots that could fly to ceylon & defeat that Rakhsyas Ravan. Also today, in every field Indians dominate. See NASA, more than 95% of Astronauts and engineers are of Hindu brahmin origin. I’m a proud Iyengar brahmin caste. Our Iyengar & Iyer caste produce the top doctors of India and Americca. We are also the future of computer iT industry. India, the IT superpower is next silicon valley. We created more than 90 % of concepts used in computer industry today. And as for you ingrate half breed Christaan Vikas. What you talk you ? What do you know of IQ ? We hindus especially our hindu brahmins possess the highest intelligence in the world. Most inventors also are hindus. Look at IBM & Microsoft. We dominate them. BillGates got his ideas from the hindu brains working for software. And your nonsense about this 5 principle of hindutva. See the caste system was great. Read george orwell’s Animal farm. He says, all people are equal, but some people are more equal than others. In same wayonly, brahmins served as priests and intelligent people. Zamindars & rulers were also high caste. The heart of hindu culture is only high caste people should rule & low caste dirty people should serve us. Therfore we can oppress them. It is our right. Who are you Christaan missionary goonda pigs to tell the tribals and poor shudras otherwise. Only we have right to education & higher jobs. Shudras are meant to serve our needs. Hinduism is soon spreading all over the world USA, England, Japan, Middle east, china. Hinduism wil be the most dominant religion. Your Christianity & Islam , other Abrahmic shit will be dead. Give us another 5 to 10 years more. India will be the Global IT superpower, we will be the richest and most powerful nation. Yes even more richer and powerful than America and russia and that communist bloody rascal China ! Brahmin & hindus will rule the world.
Jai Bharat Mahan !
May 1, 2007 at 9:23 pm
Pillai, achu and the other “heroes” of hinduism – here’s one big question for you all :
Q. If you can’t stand Christianity. Then what the hell are you morons doing in the Judeo Christian west ?
( And,please don’t gimme that Oh the west is secular buloney. I could use the same argument for the Secular Republic democratic nation of India. Since you wnat Christians and Christianity eliminated in India ( a secular nation), what makes you think that the same can’t apply in the Christian west. And most real Americans can’t stand Hinduism or other faiths. See the amount of new websites dedicated to a more right wing version of Christianity. We’re waking up. I’m one of them. C’mon lets see you blokes answer my question)
May 1, 2007 at 9:56 pm
DearSuzy Martin/All christian freinds,
Don’t get outraged. If your answer to all questions(post no 401) is NO, we don’t have any problem in accepting Christians.We are against agression.You answer is awaited.
May 1, 2007 at 10:50 pm
Dear christians,
I really pit on you guys, please by insulting the people to another religion non-christians your god will not be happy or he will not come alive to applause on ur stupid comments on non-christians.
We proving from comment No: 1 – 400, that each Hindus are patience, tolerance and much more.
We Hindus always proud that we borne in a spiritual religion. We are keep proving that we haven’t insulted any of religion members.
But compare the comments of Christians and Hindus. Such dirty language You christians have used to abuse, insult the poor Hindus.
You Western people conquered and ruled our nation more that 400 years, while giving the independence to india the British cleaned our wealthy resources, ritual scrolls and much more. Nothing was left in India, So India took 60 years for developing.
For proof please visit British museum and verify it contains all our wealthy resources.
In British museum their is a secret underground it contains all vedic, Medic scrolls and much more.
After Indian independence that period was much more worst. India – Pakistan partition took place.
and you cannot compare your western countries with india they looted our wealth and now they are well settled there, here we are struggling for our life. We are proud to say you westerns were wealthy because of the looted things from india.
Think how much wealth you western people looted from india and it clearly proofs we were much wealthy than you all looters.
May 1, 2007 at 10:57 pm
Poor Suzy is misinformed. Does she really believe that the West is Christian? May be in name only – Christian teachings are only practised there in the breach. Christianity is in terminal decline. Consumerism is the religion of choice.
Non-Christians live in the west because the west came to our countries uninvited – to colonise and steal our resources. Return the stolen goods and we return home. ha – ha
May 2, 2007 at 12:53 am
Suzy, You are not waking up. On the contrary, you are just closing your eyes and regressing into a faith dungeon from which (and mark my words) you would never emerge.
Hindu brothers,let’s not induldge in something which can never be proved on basis of any rationale talks. Talk like who is better or worse is juvenile at best. Who is going to survive and who would perish is presumptious. Hindu philosophy is all the world is one big family and hence adaptibility to and assimilation of foreign culture has always been our hallmark. Now if the degenarates try to decimate our culture then yes we have to adapt to that too. Religion is not cast in stone like some morons believe. It should be nimble and flexible to changing times. Hindus should stay united and focussed on the task at hand which is to beat these missionaries at their own game.
I go away with a lot of resentment and distrust towards the Indian xians in my heart. Hindus should realize that these converts have no allegiance to India anymore. For them it is just a hellhole. I am appalled at the venom and acerbity that these converts in Indian carry against the local culture. Makes me think how safe and prudent we are befriending them and welcoming them in our homes. I have good xian friends but i guess things are not going to be the same now.Guess that is sign of adaptibility also.
Hindus must accept the hard fact that not all religions are equal and that all world is not one family.
May 2, 2007 at 1:14 am
Suzy I am sure my brother Achu would come up with a good answer for you but here is my $.02
We are not against Christianity or any ideology for that matter. However i have problems with deception and scavenging which lately has been hallmark of your demongelical sect.This is what the converts in India aided by their western masters and under the aegis of “beautiful strong white xian lady”(***beauty sure does lie in the eyes of the beholder***) are resorting to.
I have no problems with the Christians who are born and bred here. I see a stark difference in their thinking and thinking of these converts from India. These converts from India are the biggest bigots that the world has ever seen.Spewing venom at their forefathers and seething with misplaced and unexplained hatred these parasitic dements are trying their level best to fit in into a religion which they see as property of white supremacists.I guess they think(and i am just a hindu moron with an IQ of 146 and i must point out that I found it extremely amusing at the “intellimeter” used by Vikas to back his acerbic arguments. Gawd that “intellimeter” for sure must have been the handiwork of some hindu moron)the only way to entry in the club is by action of setting fire to the house in which they once lived.
Vikas, you sure are a good husband and seem to be smitten by your wife. I am sure you two make a good oreo. I always liked black on the outside and white inside. However was never very fond of all black cookie.