The pleasant weather last evening, which Bangalore is famous for, compelled even a slothful person like me to take a stroll. Within few minutes my leisure walk quickened to a brisk pace and soon I had to hasten myself home. Reason? Stray dogs.
A popular forward mail claims that one of the things Bangalore is famous for is “stray dogs” and goes on to spout statistics: On an average 12 people are bitten by stray dogs per MINUTE somewhere in Bangalore. Though not sure about the number quoted, street dog menace is definitely a cause of worry to public safety.
People who commute in the night, especially those who ride two-wheelers, can vouch this for a fact. Getting terrified of chasing dog’s cause accidents that is even fatal at times. Parents are worried of letting their children play outside after dark.
Recent incidents like the one in Chandra Layout where a little girl was mauled to death by a pack of nine dogs brought this menace to the forefront. After the hue and cry raised by the public & when matters went up to the Assembly, Bangalore Mahanagara Palike (BMP) got into action. As was discovered this issue was not just limited to Bangalore alone, other districts in Karnataka soon did a reality check and found Hubli, Dharwad, Mysore and Belguam faced similar problems.
But as is the matter with most issues in this country, when public outcry fades so do the authorities. While CUPA and PETA are doing commendable work they are still a long way from making Bangalore free from street dogs.
Despite such grave issues there are many a dog lover who’s heart would bleed if euthanasia were even suggested. One such person filed a PIL a few years back and the court ordered the killing of street dogs to be stopped. And since then on stray dogs are being ‘sterilized’. But is this a viable solution? Is BMP realizing the mammoth task in hand of actually sterilizing the entire doggie population in Bangalore?
Meanwhile angry animal activists raise the shackles asking how arrogant can we humans can ever get, to try & change Nature’s balance? They state that the main causes for this is the dumping of meat waste that attracts stray dogs to the area, & secondly BMP is unable to check unauthorized meat shops.
While the debate surges, a solution to this issue is far from sight.
Cross Posted here
February 19, 2007 at 9:11 pm
it’s a common belief in India (possibly due to the high prevalence of stray, rabid dogs)that all dogs do is bite. People are afraid of dogs because they think dogs only do one thing, and that is to chase after and bite people. Dogs have better things to do than this; but the special case of stray dogs arises because they’re forced to scrounge up food whenever and however possible, and any smell of food is tantalizing to them. India certainly has the problem of stray dogs, and unfortunately they don’t have as many facilities in India such as an anti-cruelty or humane society (or the funding) to feed, take care of, and find homes for the dogs.
February 20, 2007 at 11:18 am
I would’nt agree to that blanket statement on the common beliefs in India. To think that the people here as a whole have some phobia towards dogs is naive.
>People are afraid of dogs because they think dogs only do one thing, and that is to chase after and bite people
Now, surely you don’t think an entire city subscribes to this idea and hence gang up to fight strays? Sruti, have u ever encountered a stray dog or probably seen one?
We are not talking of a spitz or a pug here. Take a walk in the streets in the night and you will know what it is to face a pack of wild dogs.
And its hardly a problem confined to India alone.
Athens slaughtered over 50,000 strays:
http://www.athensguide.com/straydogs/index.htm
http://www.idausa.org/athens/resources.html
Ireland has one of the worst records for killing dogs in Europe!
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March 2, 2007 at 1:37 pm
There are many dog lovers in India. And many organisations who get up in arms if the city tries to catch the dogs.
In fact in India there is a great love for strays and a disinclination to kill them…that is why we have a problem! In any slum you will find children playing with stray dogs. The security guards in our area feed stray dogs. My maid says they have adopted a stray dog. I myself have picked up a stray kitten from the street and have brought her home. In fact in an article the other day the police complained the stray dog menace is due to people feeding dogs! Even hotels and restaurents do it!
Unfortunately people here do not have large enough homes to keep the pets in the house. But ofcourse a solution needs to be found.
March 3, 2007 at 12:15 pm
Perhaps we have not given the WHO-recommended sterilisation programme a fair chance?
“in India there is a great love for strays and a disinclination to kill them”
Not exactly true, because we’d been killing dogs for decades before the ABC programme started recently. It seems quite clear that this mass culling thing will not work. Especially when you hear of cases like Surat, where a mass killing of dogs was followed by an outbreak of plague because of the uncontrollable number of rats!
March 5, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Good post giving different perspectives. I can understand the fear about the dogs.
There is no doubt that the dog attacks on children is a very serious tragedy of highest magnitude, must be investigated in depth to find what’s the reason. So far we’ve never known such cases for so many years – why is it happening now? City dogs are not hunters!
However I think the way we’re reacting is very inhumane and rash. This is so unfortunate that in the same page I see a drunken man kills 3, and the follow up on the kids death saying all dogs have to be killed. Why not completely eradicate alcohol when alcohol causes so many deaths? Because the alcohol companies won’t let that happen, money is involved you see. But animals cannot speak for themselves, atleast not in a way we understand.
“If we cut up beasts simply because they cannot prevent us and because we are backing our own side in the struggle for existence,
it is only logical to cut up imbeciles, criminals, enemies, or capitalists for the same reasons.” – C.S Lewis.
But killing all dogs is like saying if there was another species on the planet higher than humans, then they’d exterminate all humans based on the likes of Osama Bin Laden.
The height of it was a half page full of photographs by Deccan Herald showing 3 dogs “attacking a cow” and in none of those photographs the dogs had any physical contact with the cow, they were just barking at it, but the article made them look like some ferocious wolves in the forest which were going to kill the cow and eat it which was totally ridiculous.
The killing of all dogs isn’t without other repercussions. These other repercussions are highlighted in William Blake’s poem… Auguries of Innocence:
A horse misused upon the road
Calls to heaven for human blood.
Each outcry of the hunted hare
A fibre from the brain does tear.
Similarly the cries of any indiscriminate mass killing of innocent dogs will not go unheard, and unfortunately repercussions will be borne by all of us for the ignorance of a few.
March 7, 2007 at 5:17 am
To begin, there is a LIMIT to everything in this world. Maneka Gandhi & her Animal Welfare Activists (AWAs) have crossed ALL limits of reason, common sense, & civilized behavior & are testing people’s tolerance.
Let us note the following points:-
1. The first point which our AWAs or Animal RIGHTS activists (ARAs) put up is that we must not destroy dogs, in the name of high-flown & high-sounding spiritual values of “Compassion” & “Ahimsa”, and they are here to promote a “harmonious relationship between man & animals”.
First, look at the PETA law that if a person is found stoning a stray dog, he can be imprisoned for one day. BY WHAT RIGHT? And, TO WHAT END? Is this “Ahimsa”? Is this “compassion”? I think it is a threat, an instilling of fear in people, a decided approach toward being judgmental & punishing a human being. This is ANTI-AHIMSA, ANTI-COMPASSION.
Note the contradiction in their doctrine – neither Buddha nor Christ, neither Gandhi nor Tolstoy – all who are the greatest exponents of universal love, boundless benevolence, & compassion, would ever throw ANYONE into jail, harass people, or even use abusive language. Their “ahimsa”& “compassion” extended to one & all – including human beings.
Second, look at their law that if a person is caught running his car over a stray dog “intentionally” (how would they prove that?) he can be sentenced to FIVE years of imprisonment. Again, BY WHAT RIGHT? And, TO WHAT END?
To take away FIVE years in ANY man’s life is almost as good as destroying his life completely – and not just his, but of his family, friends, relatives, all people who are intimately associated with him. It has very serious financial, emotional, psychological & professional consequences.
And our “ahimsa”-loving, compassionate AWAs are hell-bent upon DESTROYING the life of not just one man, but a family, & adversely influencing the lives of all those who are tied up with his. TO WHAT END? By what right?
Is the life of ONE stray dog – or even 5,000 stray dogs – MORE valuable than so many human lives?
In any rational, compassionate, life-affirming society, not even 1 million stray dogs can compare to the life of ONE human being.
At least not in PRINCIPLE.
The very principle of AWAs & Maneka Gandhi, is steeped in decided animosity, a desire to punish, a hatefulness, VENGEANCE, and above all – a total indifference to the lives, joys & sorrows of HUMAN BEINGS.
This is not only anti-Ahimsa & anti-compassion, but anti-Buddha, anti-Jesus, anti-Gandhi, anti-reason, anti-life & anti-human altogether.
And for a last straw, Mahatma Gandhi himself emphatically ENCOURAGED the ritual elimination of stray dogs.
So much for their blatant self-contradiction.
2. According to AWAs & ARAs, we should not decide as to whether dogs must be allowed to proliferate (like mosquitoes) on the basis of their UTILITY. Are MAD PEOPLE & mentally challenged people of any use to us, they ask, and do we kill the, for being “useless”?
Apart from the fact that the AWAs fail to see the ABSOLUTE gap between human life & beastly life, let us point out that mad & mentally challenged people are taken care of, restrained, restricted & kept under TOTAL control & supervision by family, relatives or special institutions set up for this purpose. As for CRIMINALS, whom we usually don’t execute, they too are kept under total control whenever possible. At least in principle & policy.
Apart from THEIR unintentionally equating stray dogs to demented & “useless” people & dangerous, harmful criminals, let us consider the point of utility.
It is true that man must not see the universe & seek to preserve only those values which are of some “utility” to him.
A rose in my garden, a squirrel on a tree, a scorpion under a stone, a cat dozing in the backyard – are of no “utility” to us, but we do not kill them, or hate them, or despise them.
We DO NOT kill crows, owls, bats, monkeys etc etc though they are NOT useful to us in any important way. We neither have the time nor the interest.
We are asked to ACCEPT stray dogs on the premise that we should not be utilitarian, and should develop a universal benevolence.
All that is fine, and we are ready to do so in cases where such an attitude is not going to become DEFINITELY DESTRUCTIVE.
While we need not bother too much about a creature’s utility, we CANNOT DISREGARD our own welfare. It cannot, & should not be allowed to go AGAINST our utility.
Note how AWAs and Maneka Gandhi believe in non-utilitarianism IRRESPECTIVE of its adverse effects on human beings.
For them, the welfare, health, safety & peace of human beings is IRRELEVANT. Their sole interest is the stray dog, OVER & ABOVE Man.
3. We are challenged: what RIGHT do we have to kill stray dogs?
To that we ask: WHAT RIGHT do the ARAs have, to FORCE these unthinking brutes upon US? Who gave THEM the right to decide? Whom have they consulted? By what right do they transfer the burden of this misery on OUR shoulders?
Secondly, the concept of “Rights” CANNOT be divorced from the concepts of responsibility & accountability. If an owned dog bites a child, its owner is responsible & accountable – & will pay for the medical expenses.
Who is responsible for the bites of stray dogs? By WHAT RIGHT do AWAs create an ARTIFICIAL situation in which a child – or any man – is more likely to get bitten by a dog? By WHAT RIGHT do they create such an insecure environment for pedestrians, children & aged people?
By what “Right” do the AWAs make US pay for the bite of a stray dog?
Nobody is accountable. Nobody is responsible. But I must nevertheless suffer, and pay for it too!!
Thirdly, the concept of “Rights” cannot be divorced from the concept of “Mind” and a concept the ARAs forget: the concept of human life.
Stray dogs cannot be controlled, trained, “educated”, tamed, fed, cleaned, medicated. They cannot be made to “see sense”, to think, to reason.
Then, is their life more precious, the harm they cause tolerable, and THEY CAN BE ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO – PRECISELY BECAUSE THEY ARE UNTHINKING, MINDLESS BRUTES DRIVEN BY A RAW SURVIVAL INSTINCT & BLIND PASSION?
And are we to change OUR lives for them, adjust to their whims & fancies, suffer their menacing omnipresence, PRECISELY BECAUSE WE CAN THINK, CHOOSE, REASON, & FEEL?
A man cannot defecate on my neighbor’s doorstep. But a stray dog can, and if my neighbor stones it, HE will be punished.
For what? For keeping his property clean, sanitary & hygienic.
But if “I” do the same, “I” shall be punished for creating filth, uncivilized behavior, indecent exposure etc etc.
Why this added privilege to the stray dog?
PRECISELY BECAUSE IT IS ***NOT*** HUMAN!!!
Can you see the appalling antagonism, of the AWAs & ARAs, to the very concept of Man? We are to suffer, we lose our rights to a safe & clean environment PRECISELY BECAUSE WE ARE HUMAN.
And, by constantly comparing HUMAN life to ANIMAL life, our animal welfare activists commit the cardinal SIN of denigrating human nature itself.
They fail to realize that FOR MAN, MAN comes first, not the dog.
They are not only CALLOUSLY INDIFFERENT to human life, they are in fact militating against it through their basic principles.
Fourthly, the “logic” of Rights is a very dangerous one. What right does an Animal Welfare Activist have to STOP me from killing a stray dog that has bitten my child? What right do they have to sterilize the dogs? What right do they have to decide what are my rights?
Who has given them the right to decide what we must accept & do, AGAINST our own interests & welfare?
So let not AWAs & ARAs talk about rights – for those who DESECRATE the right to live, pursued happiness & liberty (dogs are a threat to ALL of these) – for those who desecrate the concept & value of Man – the very concept of rights cannot exist.
4. Browse through the Net & observe carefully the PETA & pro-PETA sites. See how they capture impressionable, young teens to serve as their advocates. See the PARANOIA of these brainwashed children & youngsters. Note THEIR HATRED FOR HUMAN LIFE.
Note the repeated threats to plant bombs in buildings, set fire to non-veg serving restaurants, and their constant disruptive behavior. All for hens & rats & dogs & so on. Note the common method used by pro-PETA activists against ANTI-PETA websites: they send mails & messages which would introduce virus, and destroy the website. “Ahimsa”? “Compassion”?
April 13, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Such a well written essay of my thoughts, i could not have expressed my thoughts so explicitly and vividly.
dog lovers like menaka gandhi can afford to feed strays three four times a day which causes so much of environment hazards and filth attracting rats cocroaches. the feeders leave food on papers and walk away,so that the paper flies into the residences and compounds of people, while these dog lovers stay on upper levels and move around in cars with no conscience of how other people are effected by the menance. the loud barking at nights, the mating on streets for children to view. Disgusting. Environment Minister needs to be more vocal and loud so that normal people can live without fear of these so called do lovers aand abusers of humans. Rally up correspnding groups to over shadow the peta and other animal activist groups. Paste hoarding like no feeding strays in public areas creat awareness and make laws work for the ordinary citizen. Ama admi who has to walk and not drive to avoid the dirt.
March 7, 2007 at 5:17 pm
I agree that Maneka Gandhi need not be followed in letter and spirit.
But then….
WHO gives humans the right to kill ANYTHING that comes in their way.
This is a universal savagery committed by humans…
WHO gives you the right to interfere in anything & everything that exists on this earth…
A Criminal is also given certain minimum standards… EVEN though HE is the REAL BRUTE with INTENTIONAL disruption of peaceful life on his mind…. BUT a cow??? What exactly CAN it do TO degrade your life, rights, etc. etc…
And now we come to street dogs… For centuries we have coexisted… If they bite a child… its because he has acted like a brute TO THE DOG… After all… A civil (!) person like you will definitely get in to a brawl with a person who throws a brick at you… Scale down the size of the projectile as well as that of the creature… Thats what happens on the streets of Bangalore…
After all its WE who open meat shops which have not a care in this world… No responsibility … nothing… But ppl like u sit and the blame the BAD BRUTAL SAVAGE street dog… which after all that can show more compassion than you… If some nutcase of a imbalanced parent teache a child that a dog is a monster…
i) When he is powerless, he’ll run away needlessly
ii) (more important) When he is powerful… he will kill it…
Face it… Cakefare is right… India is largely uneducated (not illiterate)…
I dont see why we should make innocent street dogs suffer because of some “innocent” human…
Most of the time the dog doesnt bite… It may merely bark… The “innocent” “victim” frames the rest of it…
Probably we humans like bossing over… at the lowest level… we turn to other beings to satisfy our cruel lust…
We are interfering brutes… The least morons like u can do is to help the world to be a humane place.
March 9, 2007 at 12:42 pm
No Son of a Bitch has the right to kill another living entity on this planet.
Who the hell has given human beings the right to eliminate
everything that coexists with him.
God has created the world for everybody and every living being has the right to thrive.
Human beings have occupied every nook and corner of this world and there is no space for other living entities to exist, we have taken every right of their’s.
This merciless culling is nothing but barbarical mass slaughter of those poor dumb and helpless animals for which we have to pay some day.
You have problems with something take a way that is mutually beneficial for both the species
and not simply boss over the weaker section of the species because they are helpless.
Why cant the govt make an alternate arrangement like a kennel where all these animals can be atleast allowed to live.
You cry when the WTC was demolished and A LOT OF PEOPLE MERCILESSLY FINISHED THEN people spoke on humanity and all shit..
And to add to all of it those dog catchers act as if they have been posessed by some demonic spirit and treat those dogs as if is a part of their fathers property.
Some day I wish that those bastards are also given a similar treatment and hanged to death
so that they get a taste of their own medecine.
NOW WHERE ARE THOSE NOBLE THOUGHTS …?
March 9, 2007 at 1:01 pm
Suhas, I understand your need to convey your thoughts, but the use of profanity *will not* emphasise what you want to say. And anymore use of profanity will not be tolerated here.
Coming to your point, its simply not feasible for ‘any’ government to provide shelter to stray dogs. And it does’nt stop at that – there are issues related to treating the sick, neutering, feeding & other maintenance related issues which requires large resource pool. Something our government cannot afford to provide. Heck, there are thousands of people who require the same resources.
If the culling of these dogs affect you so badly why hasn’t that of a young child that was mauled to death. What kind of warped noble thought is this then?
March 9, 2007 at 2:52 pm
No one has the right to kill another living entity on this planet? Where will carnivorous go? Most of the snakes do not bite humans because they are hungry or they are man eaters. They do so because they find themselves vulnerable or preyed. If we see in a bigger picture every animal or living thing protects its offspring from any possible danger. It’s an animal instinct, man being no different. A sense extra does not change the law of nature.
March 9, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Hey All,
Of late in this city, innocent, healthy and friendly dogs are being culled for no fault of theirs. Its a easy option for the Government to just kill these innocent, homelees, speechlees stray dogs for thier own interests-appease some members of the public, siphon off the money meant for taking care of these stray dogs, other obvious political reasons. They would never spend a single penny to put them in a shelter, dirty Indian politics come into play even in the lives of stray dogs. I do agree killing of other animals like goats, sheeps, chicken, fish does happen for meat, as argued by many vegetarians and other dog haters. Well then do all veggies -stop wearing leather goods like ur shoes, chappals, belts they are made of cow, buffalo, snakes, crocodoile skin-kill all living animals, birds etc, and then start killing homeless people after that(or stray people). What a sad way people adopt and have stooped to just to vent their anger and frustration on the Government and its authorities and politicians. Its easy to just take a lazy and inhumane, sick look at this stray dog issue and say -kill all stray dogs. Sadly we may all end up paying heavily for this adharma soon-killing our own BEST FRIEND – THE DOG…….God save us and help dharma prevail immediately in this land of dharma.
March 9, 2007 at 11:20 pm
@Sandeep: Fine! suppose we agree to whatever you say, give us a feasible solution where neither the strays are hurt nor humans have to pay the price.
We are asking only for the stray dogs to be culled, which anyway lead a very poor life on the streets & suffer. Most of the strays litter about 5-6 puppies and there is no way we can expect the govt to control these.
And as for adharma, Lord Krishna himself advised Arjuna to fight against his own brethren.
As a suggestion, we can ask the govt to advertise for volunteer dog lovers like you who can adopt 1 or 2 stray dogs.
March 9, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Where were these people when there was bird-flu and many birds were killed? When it was a serious threat to their health they had nothing to protest against the killings of those birds. Now why the concern shown towards these dogs alone?
March 10, 2007 at 12:38 am
Dave,
Answers for you.
1)The one way i can suggest is spend a decent amount of money to open up a few decent stray shelters, the government has to drive this along with animal organisations and animal(dog)lovers. But then we all know what the politicians will do (as they have already)-blame the NGO’s, threaten them with baseless, false allegations and call them criminals( hey u dog hating/killing politicians/officials may u all burn in hell in this life and after for doing this, i may sound like i m exagerrating but believe me i m not alone, i really wish they do burn in HELL-right here, right now so we all can see it in this life itself )
2)The NGO’s were doing a commendable job in controlling the strays and diseases-but now even their hands are tied up. Where are all the rich, filthy, globe trotting Indian philanthropists-no one is helping or may be few are/want to but the Government wont let them-the politicians want all their money too)
3)The litter of strays can be controlled but as i said earlier there is not enogh help from the government to do this-monetary and otherwise, the NGO s were doing it from the money donated by various organisations and public). The government pays them peanuts, which they will never admit to.
Today its stray dogs, tomorrow something else-Dave, we ll only write comments and speak out on a website like this- while in reality -this just does not count. Does it?
3)Adharma-Come on Dave. These are speechless, inncoent, harmless, homeless animals-Loyal dogs. Dont even compare what happened then during the Mahabharath to this now. You just cant, ok. Well if you wanna follow dharma you know what- Just go cull those handful politicians, officials reponsible for this dog culling-NOW THATS DHARMA/KARMA DEFINED FOR YOU.
4)I did adopt 4 dogs -STRAY dogs not 1 or 2. Well many-almost all people like children. So does it mean all of them need to adopt orphans and underpreviliged children.( This logic does not work). Not all dog/animal lovers are well off, majority are just normal, average people.
March 12, 2007 at 3:08 pm
For all your suggestions you have added up red mark against. You feel politicians don’t do there jobs and don’t prefer funding for projects like this, because they are corrupt. So what could be a possible solution for the problem? You mean to say… If politicians are corrupt and no one is ready to figure out an answer, we let our children bitten by strays? A young boy’s life has no value?
Why blame politicians day and night out for every single problem? Politicians are no different breeds. They are people like me and you. When we talk politicians are corrupt, we indirectly mean we are corrupt: which is absolutely true. If you want to make an impact on society you need to take the initiation. Suggest a better solution to the Animal lovers, govt., NGO’s, I am sure they will make it an act. Sacrificing human life is not a solution.
Your last statement really took me by surprise. If you like children and have adoption as an option, of course adoption would be a logical and mutual solution. Anyway let’s not divert the topic.
Speechless, innocent, harmless, homeless strays can bite a young boy to death, is that dharma?? Mahabarath is not just a story to be shelved in the library for show casing. It has essence that teaches us how to live our lives and fight for the cause.
You adopted 4 strays… Good for those dogs. But what happens with those who are still unattended, let loose and are dangerous? Can you guarantee on there behalf that they won’t bite? Will they spare a child’s life, thinking its adharma?
March 13, 2007 at 12:10 am
Givernment must ensure that if its killing stray dogs then that killing must be painless by an injection . If they aare slaughtering the dogs then they are commiting a huge crime.
Infact for any animal who is killed there must be a mercy killing. And ifpeople are found killing animals mercilessly they must be put behind bars with non bailable offence for at least 5 years.
March 13, 2007 at 12:15 am
We all know how much politicians change(Azim Premji, Narayan Murthy, other biggie big names of Corporate India) could not change those Corrupt low cheap, god forsaken, low stinking sinners. So for a comman man to change those barbaric sinners will may be take a few deacdes if not a century or 2(at the rate by which things are hapening now).
I m not saying let all strays loose on the road. They need to be adopted, taken to shelters, used for canine therapy programmes(with children, in prisons, etc etc). The NGO ‘s and public can do this quickly and efectively only if the Government is supportive enough(whih is not the case). But they had to kill those 229 dogs(or more i m sure-giving lame excuses such as they killed only rabied and ferocious dogs-we all know how true that is) to appease and satisfy a part of the public and safeguard their vote banks for future elections(they ll pay for it -sooner or later THEY WILL). They along with the dog haters must have been very happy to see the pictures of those dead dogs-killed in the most inhumane, barbaric way last week. God willing, those killers PAY FOR IT REAL SOON. What goes around-COMES AROUND(YES, correct aint it- you must know this with ALL your Mahabharatha gyaan).
I too love children so it does not mean one has to immediately cull all strays to safeguard children. It will take sometime to shift and move all strays safely. There is no need to panic and rush by killing them all using the excuse of children not being safe. Strays need to be sheltered for the safety of children OK good-do it, do it in a humane way, do it fast. But would you kill them for it. NO, not at all, NEVER.
Stray dogs are animals-cant think like us(we cant be like them), we cant kill all of them(or majority of them) just becasue they killed 2 children. No one knows and nor will we ever know what was the real cause for that act by those strays that killed those 2 kids. We have to work constructively to protect our children and the strays at the same time. In case you didnt know children are taught to fear strays and stone them(in many places in out country, they are told strays dogs are evilish)so children in their innocence may try to mess with these strays at times. Sometimes, it is bound the strays react.
All i m saying is that the Government needs to support(monetary help is needed-they can afford it , but will they??) the NGO s and public too has to support in helping these strays have a better life.I m only hoping things get better for these strays and NO more HUMAN suffering takes place due to these strays.
The problem here is you that dont seem to be a stray dog sympathiser, so you will never be on the same page as i am. Its not your fault, not mine either. I just hope you are not a dog hater(or a stary dog hater like many nowadays. SO i say again, one last time hopefully-i hope things get better for children and strays with no losses on either side. Amen.
March 13, 2007 at 5:06 am
i belive that we humans are behaving wose than brutes. people should be attacked by dogs just to reduce the population of mad brutish uncivilised people. i hope they attack more.
March 13, 2007 at 11:07 am
Dats not a nice thing to say Andrea. While saying that just picturize someone close to you being attacked by a pack of wild dogs. Am sure you will change your mind.
March 13, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Just because they killed 2 children? Two lives do not mean anything? How many should it take to push the red alert? ‘No one knows and nor will we ever know what was the real cause for that act by those strays that killed those 2 kids’ A young kid obviously can’t go around throwing stones and pick on bunch of strays to invite wrath. The Kids can’t venture out because there life isn’t worth that of the beasts? Are we playing politics or should we blame again the politicians?
I agree I have no sympathies for strays. It’s not because I hate dogs, Dogs are nice when they are trained and domesticated. As said earlier, the whole stray population can’t be adopted or domesticated due to the high littering rate. What I am trying to suggest here is culling strays with mercy like Mr. Anand said is the best logical solution that we have right now.
@ Sandeep I am against killing of any sort. But I do believe in self defense. “What goes around-COMES AROUND” You are right, a bite can be lethal.
Hare Krishna
March 13, 2007 at 3:43 pm
If tommorow few people are killed in road accidents due to thousands of abandoned cows who roam are streets and roads, would we resport to mass cow killings! Killings of dogs is a short sighted and emotional reaction. Real problems of inadequate garbage management by Municiapl coporation are overlooked. Street dogs subsist on grabge dumps which are common sights in our cities and towns.
Dog’s life
March 13, 2007 at 4:06 pm
Dave-”Here we go again.
I quote you, what you said earlier was:
“I agree I have no sympathies for strays. It’s not because I hate dogs, Dogs are nice when they are trained and domesticated. As said earlier, the whole stray population can’t be adopted or domesticated due to the high littering rate. What I am trying to suggest here is culling strays with mercy like Mr. Anand said is the best logical solution that we have right now. ”
COME on…of couse the Government can take care of all strays-they have the funds. They are not even spending the funds allocated for these starys correctly. They are using it- we all know for what, like all other funds. If they had used the funds honestly….we would not be having this froum today.
Hmm. I personally am ready to give anything in my possesion and control for the life of a stray dog(1 or 100000000000000000). Now that you ve told u want them killed, i dont even wanna refer to you anymore(do take a cut out of the picture of those killed dogs from a newspaper of last week and look at it daily and be happy OK), so its a GOOD BYE TO you from ME. May be you should join the current ruling Government, take a print out of this page and give it to a politician from the ruling party- i m pretty sure they ll be impressed with you(if they can read and write i.e-those GOONS and THUGS WILL SOON PAY).I sugggest you READ THE MAHABHARATHA AGAIN AND AGAIN as YOU are CONTRADICTING WAY TOO MUCH. ANYWAYS MAY GOD ENLIGHTEN YOU. Bye Dave(rest of wat i m writing is not addressed to you, just wanna make things clear).”
Unfortunately, i m not a powerful person nor am i filthy rich to intervene and save the life of each and every stary at least in this city( practically speaking money and power play a big role in saving these strays). I only hope and pray that strays are not killed, that they should all be sheltered. May be only the rabied ones are to be mercy killed in a humane way if thers is no other alternative.
I urge all dog and animal lovers to make a difference in any , any small or minute way possible to save these strays. We should never give up on this. WE have to HELP THESE LOVELY creatures survive and have a better life. We need to educate people that stary dogs are like any other pet or breeded dogs, they would unconditionally love us and be loyal to us if we are nice to them. They should be given the right to live their lives without being harmed by people. If people do not like strays fine dont like them no one can force someone to like something. But at the same time these people should not harm these strays either-directly or indirectly, just let them live. LIVE AND LET LIVE.
March 13, 2007 at 5:56 pm
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
March 13, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Hehheheehh sandeep can you give a better solution other than the shelter homes for strays? Even if govt. allocates shelter homes, don’t you think that the way they multiply it would be soon filled up? Now if they are neutered that would be a crime again according to the animal rights. We can’t control our own population let be alone the strays. It’s easy to point govt. for not funding, even if they do fund do you think the funds will reach the right hands. We have root level corruption; the strays will have more miserable life than they have on the street.
A child has equal rights to play and grow in the same arena. If strays or any animal for that matter pose a threat we need to find a solution to protect our loved ones.
When there was a mass slaughtering of birds in the time of bird flu, why did any one raise this issue?
March 13, 2007 at 9:32 pm
I urge all dog and animal lovers to make a difference in any , any small or minute way possible to save these strays. We should NEVER give up on this. WE have to HELP THESE LOVELY creatures survive and have a better life. We need to educate people that stary dogs are like any other pet or breeded dogs, they would unconditionally love us and be loyal to us if we are nice to them. They should be given the right to live their lives without being harmed by people. If people do not like strays fine dont like them no one can force someone to like something. But at the same time these people should not harm these strays either-directly or indirectly, just let them live. LIVE AND LET LIVE.
March 14, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Hi …sandeep man…u r one heck of a guy n i agree with u 100% with the barbaric treatment meeted to these cutest and and most faithful creatures on earth….i just dont get it….these bloody bastards yap a lot about just 2 cases of dog attacks…why is that bloody fucking asshole pheodphile in UP still under trial inspite of killing so many kids inspite of starkling evidence of that he is the one behind the mass killings..nobody is bound to do anything for that bastard isnt it…???Shockingly, there was a instance right near my locality where a 3 year old child was inhumanely treating the poor puppies with a string tied around its neck and dragging it everywhere possible….is that okay???obviously these puppies r gong to lose their patience once day and in the act of self defence may attack the child…again we still dunno what exactly happened in the case of the ill-fated manjunath….i hope that guys’ parents must be happy after killing of many innocent dogs….gosh!!!i swear i hope any person who is against animals and their happiness should be punished mercilessly by god ( if he really exists– really cant believe he really does exists after all these unfortuante incidents!!!!)….m just too sad n depressed at the situation the bangalore street dogs r currently in…i hope the ones which were killed at least rest in peace in the doggy heaven….:-(
March 14, 2007 at 8:24 pm
@ Archana: if you are so depressed you should be visiting a shrink and not vent your frustration on a public platform. It is totally unbecoming for a lady (If at all you are one genuinely).
March 14, 2007 at 8:24 pm
Hey
Thanks Archana. I do understand your anger and frustration, i m so thankful that you do support my views. Just a request from me-avoid the profanity at least for others’ sake. WE need to work for the welfare of the ones alive. Do stop doubting abt GOD(just a suggestion-ur faith is urs, right) n start praying for the welfare of these strays(dogs and all animals for that matter).
Incidents of stary dog and animal abuse has been happening since ages now. Thank god, at least in cities like Blore, Bombay n a few more we have the animal welfare people(who do as much or as little as they can). I dont even wanna start talking about the rural places and even this city of late, it pains me real bad.
I just cant imagine how low human minds can stoop to and sick we can get. If man starts killing strays(dogs especially) that too here in our country-thats the groosiest/barbaric/immoral/unethical thing that we can ever do.
We have to work constructively, realistically-no matter how small it may be, we need to do our part(all animal lovers i.e) for these stray dogs. Many people from all over the globe are cursing/hate us for killing these innocent strays.
We need to tell one and all to treat these dogs well and not panic due to some incident that too something that was not clear too(the 2 unfortunate child deaths).
No one is forcing people to start adopting or loving strays. But, yes DO NOT HARM THEM either. We will only make dogs more insecure and get them aggressive by trying to harm them and by trying to negatively interfere in their lives. They dont ask people for food or shelter or medicine or nothing. They just live thier lives and die(their bodies are dumped on roads, garbage bins since ages now).
Lets all try to be nice to these strays, at least we can try not wanting them culled. A state in our country killed thousands of strays in the early-mid 1990′s and NATURE PAID BACK in the form of PLAGUE. We sure DO NOT want any PAY BACK from GOD/NATURE in that way. DO we?.
March 14, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Watch your mouth lady, This isn’t your homeground. Your words show your inhuman behaviour and you call yourself an animal lover? First you learn to be a human and get civilized before talking about animals. Please don’t post anymore of your dirty comments here… we animal lovers don’t need such kind of ideology that isn’t appropriate.
March 16, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Hi all..
M really sorry…those comments were due to my frustration after watching a footage shown by NDTV regarding killing of a lactating mother in Mandya….poor baby..for no fault of her they killed her barbarically by poking a syringe rite into her chest in an inhumane way….n thrown in a garbage van….n her puppies were so badly handled n thrown in the same van ….this wud be the reaction reactiong from u guys also if u ppl had seen that footage…sorry for losing control over my words when i typed those comments….really did not intend to ….n yeah dave…just buzz off..u better watch ur words man before calling me like that…a not so animal lover like u wil never understand a word of wot really those poor babies go thru….n yeah dont bother to reply to my mail either…this is nothing concern to u…that was a mail replied to Sandeep..Girish….hallelujah that ur so called “ideaology” is better than mine…thumbs up to u…just dont reply to this either..Hi Sandeep….that was a bad part from me to hav used such words….but that was uncontrollable anger i vented ….I too hope we dont hav to pay back for we hav been doing to these poor dumb innocent sweethearts…will leave this chat at this point….again sorry for the inconvenience by my comments to u guys…but still dave n girish dont hav any rights to call my comments as “dirty” comments or sayings which really did offend me….just dont reply u goons….u both will never probably understand what is happening with those strays….Bye sandeep….my emotional support is always there…bye take care…
March 16, 2007 at 2:56 pm
N yeah wot rights did u guys (dave n girish)hav to post ur comments about me i just dont get it (it was very clearly replied and addressed to sandeep) n it was not posted particularly to anyone else…..morons…they want to poke their nose in just about anything n everything..grrrrr
March 16, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Hey Archana. I too saw that video on Tv, was really sick, makes me feel sick even now. Thanks again for your support. Hope you would continue to do the good work. We are doing the right thing NO MATTER WHO SAYS WHAT. All know that we are doing the right thing by standing up for these lovely strays. So please continue to do so and NEVER EVER GIVE UP.
March 16, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Hi Sandeep..
That was really so shocking rite…even the NDTV correspondent was so shaken by the footage…sure ..i will always try my best to stand up to them…tx a lot for ur support too…nice to knw someone’s thinking is of my wavelength at least…never had this much support…:-)..u made my day…
March 16, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Yeah, I know. Really sad -(. Thanks 2 u 2 Archana. I too am happy to know that many of us out there do care for these dogs. We all should really make a difference even though we have our busy lives to take care of- still we just have to do this and help em all.
March 16, 2007 at 7:32 pm
March 16, 2007 at 7:46 pm
March 16, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Hey Sandeep,is that safe giving ur personal mail id? …anyways sure will b in touch…take care…pls keep doing ur bit for the strays…
March 17, 2007 at 4:27 am
for all those who are against stray dogs…you all are selfish people who can just think of yourself and no one else…arey what has that small pup done to you whome you ant to get rid of…what has the street dogs who is sleeping near a road has done to you…you know what you all are cowards who are just scared to death…you people just dont have a heart…when you have so much compassion then why not adopt all the roadside kids with you otherwise they might become gundas and snathc your chains on the way and then you would like to order kiling of all the road side people.
March 29, 2007 at 1:37 pm
i always thought stray dog lovers were DEMENTED people… archana and sandeep prove it further… lol.. if nothing else you two are simply hilarious
We Are a group of proud stray dog haters
they spread disease, they are dangerous, they kill kids, they are a filthy sight, they chase people returning from night shifts and are a MENACE to society
we have taken matters in our own hands as the municipality does nothing and they are multuplying before out eyes.. and getting more and more aggressive
THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THEM (cringe stray dog lovers as you read this, and frustrate yourselves further you hilarious people, abuse me, threaten me slander me after you read this…. but do u think that i actually care even a rats ass?)
These are extreme steps but we are seriously left with no option-
1) We run them down with under cars regularly.. maim them for life so that they are not capable of running and chasing kids
2) in our locality we have instructed the security gaurds to POISON them and their population in our locality has dwindled..
ah the blissfull sight of seeing three- four dead stray dogs early in the morning after our security gaurds have secretly POISONED them at nite
stray dogs lovers can bark and carp and fret and frustrate themselves till they live… but WE DO THIS AND WE ARE PROUD OF IT
Stray dog lovers, come and bite me.. for this
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
March 30, 2007 at 6:20 am
Bloody sadist….does not even hav the guts to type in the name….pls do pay a visit to psychiatrist…urgently…n also clearly it shows u hav no life at all whatsoever no… wonder u spend so much time in coming with stinking plans to kill those poor little things…hav a nice time in hell…u knw wot u will b very sooooooon
March 30, 2007 at 8:28 am
yeah yeah baby crib crib …. thats all you can do… we still kill them… Come come BITE ME BITE ME baby!!!
April 1, 2007 at 10:51 am
Crack pot
April 1, 2007 at 10:51 am
Crackpot
April 3, 2007 at 6:52 pm
india is the only country which hasn’t cared for dogs. the indian goverment should take a act towards this cruelty. india should develop in these certain ways. even children should be a part of peta. the cruel men should be put behind the bars and fined.
April 3, 2007 at 6:57 pm
the goverment of india is sleeping all the time. what happens to you cruel people if a dog sleeps quitely on the road? you can take carethat any child does not get hurt on the road but cannot give a pup safety. instead of finding homes for the stray animals, you are killing them. such insensible act can be done by just demons. these people should be put behind the bars and i wish they live a dreadful life.
it is no small thing, the indian goverment should do something.
more then elders, children are more cared about nature.
April 6, 2007 at 11:27 am
God-dog
It is reported that the following addition to the Book of Genesis was discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls. If authentic, it would shed light on the question, “Where did pets come from?”
And Adam said: “Lord, when I was in the garden, you walked with me every day. Now I do not see you anymore. I am lonesome here, and it is difficult for me to remember how much you love me.”
And God said, “No problem! I will create a companion for you that will be with you forever and who will be a reflection of my love for you, so that you will know I love you, even when you cannot see me.
Regardless of how selfish and childish and unlovable you may be, this new companion will accept you as you are and will love you as I do, in spite of yourself.”
And God created a new animal to be a companion for Adam. And it was a good animal. And God was pleased.
And the new animal was pleased to be with Adam and he wagged his tail. And Adam said, “But Lord, I have already named all the animals in the Kingdom and all the good names are taken and I cannot think of a name for this new animal.”
And God said, “No problem! Because I have created this new animal to be a reflection of my love for you, his name will be a reflection of my own name, and you shall call him DOG.”
And Dog lived with Adam and was a companion to him and Eve and loved them.
And Adam was comforted.
And God was pleased.
And Dog was content and wagged his tail
Frankly, v r getting tired of hearing every dog attack heralded about by the media as if it were a daily occurance in every community. I’m sorry for the victims of dog attacks but how about more reporting of the stories like this one from NewIndPress.com? Let’s get real. Dogs saving humans is MUCH MORE common than the occasional dog attack.
TUMKUR: Even as stray dogs mauled two children to death in Bangalore recently, three dogs saved the life of a deserted new-born baby in Devarayanadurga reserve forests three days ago.
An unmarried girl of Aregujjanahalli village conceived following an affair with a daily wage worker attached to the forests department. As he rejected her requests to marry her, she decided to conceal it fearing social stigma and deliver in the forest.
Three dogs from the village followed her and another caretaker to the forests on Tuesday. She delivered a baby boy by evening.
Both she and her caretaker later left the scene, deserting the baby.
Interestingly, the dogs stayed back and guarded the baby overnight from possible attack of animals. Next morning, the dogs barked and caught the attention of a man who had been to the forests to pick tamarind fruits.
He was surprised to see the three dogs guarding the baby like soldiers. He picked up the baby and brought it to the village. He got another woman to feed the baby for a day and successfully found out his real mother.
The sobbing mother was happy to receive her baby. She explained that she had to desert the baby fearing social stigma and the wrath of the villagers.
The villagers had promised to get her married to the man who impregnated her and are on the lookout for him. Meanwhile, they patted the dogs profusely for saving a human life.
PLEASE DO NOT HATE/HARM DOG -THEY REFLECT GOD.
April 6, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Fantastic!..Perfect fodder for some of those inane hilarious movies like – “Teri Meherbaniyan” where the dog cries, acts and even mouths a few dialogues! heheheh
Get real guys. I am sure most of you wouldn’t even have coem close to seeing a ferocious dog let alone know what it is to being attached by a few.
Come away from those corny (sic) Teri Meherbaniyan flicks and mushy Pedigree commercials and check the real ones on the streets of Bangalore.
April 7, 2007 at 10:35 am
Ahhhhhh pls somebody stop this Dave from sending his comments….just bugs me to the core…
April 7, 2007 at 10:54 am
I just dont get it. Dave is not even consistent with his comments. First he says he is mediocore with the dogs…n later claims that he hates ‘em….hey wassup with you…??let the dogs be to themselves..u hav a life just move on with it instead of lashing out at them so much…stop medling with them…pah!!!!wot an irritating person
April 9, 2007 at 11:14 am
Marrisa or whoever, what a lame excuse of an argument. And I am not sure how you can dictate who posts and who does’nt on this forum..after all this isn’t your province,..so learn to bear me and my opinions (which I am more than entitled too) else you can find your way out I am sure.
April 9, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Yawn!!!!
April 9, 2007 at 5:40 pm
DOG HATERS CHANGE CHANGE BEFORE YOU ALL ARE CURSED MORE N MORE…CHANGE CHANGE BEFORE DOOMS DAY TAKE YOU TO HELL……WAGIN WARS AGAINST MUTE ANIMALS, IF YOU DOG HATERS HAVE THE GUTS THAN GO FIGHT THEM DIRECTLY AND WIN…DONT BACK STAB KILL INNOCENT , MUTE LIVES.. YOU COWARDS…..GOD SAVE YOU ALL FROM HIS OWN WRATH….
April 12, 2007 at 10:10 am
KILL THEM
CLUB THEM TO DEATH..ITS VERY EASY MY FELLOW STRAY DOG HATERS.
TAKE A HARD WOODEN CLUB, AND SMASH THE MONGRELS HEAD WITH IT. HIT IT REPEATEDLY ON THE HEAD 5-6 TIMES
TAKE MATTERS IN YOUR OWN HANDS
KILL THEM
ITS ABOUT TIME WE STOP GETTING INCONVENIENCED BY THESE VILE DESPICABLE DISEASE CAUSING FEROCIOUS MONGRELS
LET THOSE SISSY PRISSY STRAY DOG LOVERS HARP TILL THE COWS COME HOME
OUR JOB IS TO KILL THEM
RUN THEM DOWN UNDER YOUR CARS, TO KILL OR AT LEAST, MAIM THEM OR CRIPPLE THEM (A MAIMED, CRIPPLED STRAY WILL NOT MAKE MORE PUPPIES)
POISON THEM – SCATTER APMLE AMOUNT OF POISON IN YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD GARBAGE DUMP..THE WEAKER DOGS DIE IMMEDIATELY, THE HEALTHIER ONES DIE IN 2-3 DAYS
KILL THEM ALL
ITS VERY EASY
WE ARE A GROUP OF STRAY DOG HATERS WHO DO IT IN OUR LOCALITY TO KEEP OUR LOCALITY SAFE AND STRAY DOG FREE.. SO CAN ALL OF YOU
April 12, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Dave is this “Kill Them” related to u???looks like that thing is speaking ur words
April 12, 2007 at 10:58 pm
Its scary to know that your mentally so ill and so screwed up “KILL EM”. Do visit a pyschiatrist asap, your mind and soul is poisoned. Your a sick man, mentally ill. Even the #1 dog hater would feel pity for your mental state than those of the strays. Please help yourself asap. You are only venting your mental and other frustrations and failures of your life on the strays and god knows who else(wont be surprised if you were a murderer of humans too, yes thats right HUMAN KILLER).
There are real good doctors in Blore city, please see one soon.
April 13, 2007 at 9:51 am
continue to amuse me stray dog lovers….
unlike you i find a difference between dogs and humans
kill dogs to let humans live in peace
April 13, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Godd….sick…sounds like a real psycho…!!!!!dont even call urself a human…sick disgusting n hideous fellow
April 13, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Phew!!!!!wot is wrong with this moron…i hope somebody kills him first before he posts another another opinion of his on this blog
April 13, 2007 at 3:15 pm
Looks like KILL THEM and Dave are ond and the same. Hmm…what are the moderators doing…encouraging criminals, violence and pyschopaths on this forum…..?????
April 13, 2007 at 3:30 pm
THAYEE GINTHA DEVARILLA, NAYEE GINTHAA PRANI ELLA
NAYEE YANU KOLLUVAVANU NARAKA SERUVAVANU
BEDA MANAVA BEDA, NAYEE ANTHA DEVA PRANNEANU KOLLA BEDA
( no HOLIER god than mother u c in ur life , no animal holier than a DOG u c in the same life,
Do not sin o Human do not SIN BY KILLING THE ANIMAL of GOD-DOG
NO GOD shAll forgive HIM WHO HARMS GODS OWN DOG)
April 16, 2007 at 6:01 pm
1. BMP files show dog bites for 2006 only from Jan to mid November only at 20993 bites ( ONLY IN BMP CLINICS HEALTH CENTERS . PRIVATE/ GOVT HOSPITALS ARE NOT MENTIONED) . KIMS report ( which is the referral institute for Rabies and Dog bites) estimates over 6000 bites per month in 2001 if private clinics are to be taken into account . However since it is not notifyable disease there are no accurate statistics available
2. Rs 1.7 crores being spent annually by BMP ( municipality)to animal welfare organizations on Animal Birth control (ABC) apart from vans and drivers provided. This programme is a waste of money because anti rabies vaccine and serum treatment to humans is compulsory after bite from stray or even a so called vaccinated stray dog .
3. Additionally from 16 April 2005 to March 2006 Rs 1.66 crores was spent on anti rabies vaccines in BMP clinics and there is a shortage of vaccines reported.
4. Kempegowda Institute of Medical Sciences . Report 2001 states 2 lakh stray dogs and 80,000 pet dogs and that dog bites has become a “public health” problem leave alone a nuisance because more than 2 % of the population gets bitten in the city .
5. Rate of growth of stray dogs is so fast, that a single pair can multiply 60,000 dogs in a lifetime of about 7 years. Since urban dogs have no predators man has to cull their population humanely.
6. Section 11(3) of Cruelty to animals Act 1960 . states “ nothing in this section shall apply to the destruction of stray dogs in lethal chambers or by such other methods as may be prescribed .”
7. Karnataka Municipal act 1976 chapter V (58) states the obligatory functions of the corporation to “destruction of birds and animals causing nuisance or vermin and confinement and destruction of stray and ownerless dogs.
8. LOK AYUKTA Bangalore has passed an order that dog rules are ultra virus of the parent Act and do not have any validity . The BMP has to destroy the stray dogs.
9. chapter viii of the Karnataka Police Act 1963 states under section (k) offences and punishment of persons “negligently lets loose any horse or other animal so as to cause danger , injury, alarm or annoyance to the public or suffers a ferocious dog to be at large without a muzzle or sets on or urges a dog or other animal to attack , worry or put in fear any person or animal.”
10. The ABC Programme was made law Animal (Dog) Birth Control Rules, 2001) by the Ministry of Culture under Maneka Gandhi in 2001, despite the fact that the Ministry has nothing to do with disease control, public health / nuisance and animals. Apart from the AWBI, the Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment and the Ministry of Programming and Statistics funded the ABC Programme when she was heading them. Both Ministries till fund the ABC Programme.
11. Death of 2 children Jan and March 07 due to attacks because when dogs are allowed to roam freely , they will form into packs that will turn feral and go back to their wild ways of “hunting in packs” This has been informed by SDFB at several BMP meetings in 2000 itself. SDFB is conveniently not invited to the BMP dog control meetings now for reasons best known.
12. Dr B.N Dhanya Kumar. Joint Director Directorate of Health and Family welfare services( tel 9844401053). states that more than 14 % of the Karnataka budget (and still insufficient) for medical supplies goes towards anti rabies vaccines and is insufficient . this is alarming .
13. Over 90% of Rabies death occurs in India.
14. Rabies vaccine sales in India is a multi million dollar business in India, on the rise while all other countries have banned the use of such vaccines. It is not possible to get the figures of sales of these companies as it is a very closely guarded secret .
15. The only beneficiaries of stray dog maintenance are the animal Activists and the vaccine companies. IS IT ESSENTIAL TO SUPPORT THEM WITH TAX PAYERS MONEY?
16 The biggest story of it all is with 17.4 million bites (recorded by the Association of Prevention and control of Rabies in India) the amount of money that the vaccine companies have marketed is Rs 3,500 crores only for vaccination of post exposure bites . Rs 8,750 crores if human diploid serum is used half of these bites . No study is made on the loss of life stock , of man hours , loss due to accidents etc. which could be as much more .
The situation is Bangalore is so bad that we have at least a pack of dogs in every street of the city and people fear walking the streets . We must also respect the fact that not all humans love dogs . SDBF is demanding that the BMP implement strict dog ownership rules where no dog is allowed in public places without a owner, leash and every owner has responsibilities. When smocking in public places is banned this is far more dangerous and needs implementation.
April 16, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Hey do u have the stats for the money eaten away by our politicians/official in the government.
2). Money spent on preventing crime-so many criminal all over. Why cant a death sentence be given to any crime in the first or second trial itself. It will stop that person from ding it again, No fear for people abt the criminal.
3). If only the money for anti rabies and health was used proprely the the people in the Government can it be implemented.
4). Do we have good roads, power, quality amanities in the country-where is all the tax we pay going— TO DOGS OR TO POLITICIANS, GOVERNMENT BABUS.
DO NOT BLAME A SAMLL NUMBER OF DOGS FOR OUR THIRD WORLD STATE OF AFFAIRS…WAT A LOW LEVEL CAN ONE STOOP TO…WAT A SHAME ….SAD
April 21, 2007 at 12:24 am
THE STRAY DOG
Dear God please send me somebody who’ll care!
I’m tired of running, I’m sick with despair.
My body is aching, it’s so racked with pain
And dear God I pray as I run in the rain.
That someone will love me and give me a home
A warm cozy bed and a big juicy bone.
My last owner tied me all day in the yard
Sometimes with no water and God that was hard!
So I chewed my leash God and I ran away
To rummage in garbage and live as a stray.
But now God I’m tired and hungry and cold
And I’m so afraid that I’ll never grow old.
They’ve chased me with sticks hit me with stones
While I run the streets just looking for bones!
I’m not really bad God, please help if you can
For I have become just a “victim of man!”
I’m wormy dear God and I’m ridden with fleas
and all that I want is an owner to please!
If you find one for me God, I’ll try to be good
I won’t chew their shoes, and I’ll do as I should.
I will love them, protect them and try to obey
When they tell me to sit, to lie down or to stay!
I don’t think I’ll make it too long on my own
Cause I’m getting so weak and I’m Oh so alone.
Each night as I sleep in the bushes I cry
Cause I’m so afraid God, that I’m gonna die!
I’ve got so much love and devotion to give
That I should be given a new chance to live.
So dear God please, please answer my prayer
and send me somebody who will really care.
April 25, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Well written Shakeel…
While the stray population definitely needs control, let us try to ask ourselves a Basic question.
How does a stray survive…who feeds them ?
The answer would be us, our garbage.
So cant we get rid of garbage littered streets rather than kill the poor dogs.
Definitely killing dogs is never an option. My daughter is afraid of men with beards, can i recomend killing all men with beard ?
I think Birth control is the only best way forward.
August 31, 2007 at 11:49 am
Jack
you have a very nice blog and very informative article
December 24, 2007 at 2:57 pm
OHM NIVA SHIVA
Informative< educated and enlighted peoples<
May you find a peaceful, educated answer to such complexities of a daily life. After reading such emotional pleas and deep insights to such topics, it is that we need to search no further than ourselves for an answer.
Yet another sunrise has occurred, another sunset. We sleep and dream and awake to another day to “blog” and question ourselves. Until we devote actual “time” to the problem, whether as a peon (only have I heard that term while reading India’s political events) or as a political leader, the answers do not come easily. Each has it’s own “honesty”. The streets need to be cleaner. Does this responsibility fall on the government or each “man” himself? What is the “right” answer? How can we actually come to this conclusion without spending “time” on the streets where the problem exists? On the other hand, I do not need to “see” a starving child to want to HELP feed it and care for it. The answers are not so easy. The problem exists in coexistance. When the poor are too poor to improve their own surroundings, who is responsible then? Can they be held liable for their own fate? Is it Kharmic cycle? Where do each of our responsibilities end and start? I can not honestly give an opinion on what to do with so many stray dogs as I do not live on the streets that we reference in India. As a community an answer must be found and acted upon. Democratically and responsibly. Until then, it just continues and all the reasoning in the world still doesn’t change the reality of the situation.
February 28, 2008 at 12:54 pm
HI ,
I’m DOCTOR VANI,
mysvani@yahoo.com
my heart breaks thousand times into a million pieces!!’-Being In The Midst Of Dirt’
“>First let me tell you that I’m better speaker and (so so) writer in the accepted sense of term with no prior bloging experience to my credit.so,excuse me.
“>what i belive is ,shall this writing be the answer ,through your responses for all what my friends are facing without questioning.
well,now i shall go on explain what ,in my openion is the true meaning of the phrase ‘being in the midst of dirt’
Dirt here implies -to the so called people who encourage killing of -dumb sweet animals.
my interpretation in other words is-those rotton thoughts of selfish humans with that of faithfull animals like brutal killing of dogs for no mistake of them ..in and out that one is bound by!
i look upon it respectfully only when such people be as good as my thought.
Well,Heart of perfection is a God’s gift.If anyone has an heart for dumb animals…good.
Let us appriciate it by donating some funds if we wish.because not all can do the same service inspite of having an heart towards good of animals.BUT,some statement sounds strange…..that they like animals but not stray dogs!!how right is that…?can anybody say that they like children but hate orphans?!assuming that they may pose as beggers and bugging people on streets or become criminals and threaten society?!huh!!imagine if they were to run the govt,they would’ve wanted all orphans to be killed i guess?!afterall humans are no less than dogs tuckdtail!!How much ever the govt tries to lift them they strike back to their original….
all i want to say is,
“Dumb animals are no less than our own kids”
Infact they are stray, only because of people like those who pre assume that stray dogs cant learn good habits.
such people…..why dont you adopt a stray puppy or recommend it your friend and try, if you dont wish to…then atleast dont write such provoking statements against them….unless u come out with balanced rule for both dog lovers and dog fearers…its ur fear is what making ur mind look stray dogs as big proablem…if that fear is set aside and look at them then they surely look like one of sweetest creatures on earth.
SOLUTIONS ARE PLEANTY:
1)well adopting one stray puppy ….
(for dog lovers)
may not be an instant remeady but certainly by the time of your grand children stray dogs dont exist at all .
only dogs dont multiply in dozens and disturb our sleep.there are such thousand bunchs of people too… who cause nuisence.Do you think human population is less than that of dogs?!infact they are the ones who are poseing problems to dogs.i wont be wrong if i say
‘that dog which was killed was better than most of kids who torture them to death’.
The steps that now a days kids/adolescents take to have fun has become torture for stray dogs.I cannot put into words how distraught this act has made me feel.And dogs are clearly attempting to defend themselves….just like anyone of us do if we are hurt.So parents who let their children play out should choose parks or play grounds,and strictly warn your kids to not hurt dogs pelting stones at them unnecessarily.[for your information:serial killers have been linked to animal torture... so dont raise a criminal kid .]
2) sterlize
(for dog fearers who dont like to shulter a puppy)
If possible see that stray dogs in your area are sterlized and vaccinated and let them guard your home still, (if you cannot raise them at home.)
3)REGISTRATION
for dog raisers who are faceing BIG problems from mad people)
local law should permit owners of such dogs to make a formal complaint against any body who hurts their dogs .I feel if they are registerd by the owners like how newborn kids are registerd …then the muncipality corporation should release a belt for such dogs who are registerd that they dont become target of those inhuman creatures whose eye is on owners rather than dogs and they make dogs their target to attack on owners…for example my neighbour!!who are not in good terms with us…try to cause proablems by any means …and our adopted stray dog is easy prey for them.
once i had saved a young stray dog after it had been poisoned (for the reason that it is raised by us again)dirty minded my neighbours!!now after its recovery it got attached even more to us..and it was again the success story from our end for their evil attempt….for which many innocent othe dogs died!!
huh!!there their ego was snubed again and recently they made an even more wilder attempt…
as they tried to play safe ….hireing some people to make a complaint against our dog though we see to it that it is tied at our home 24×7.and encourage the road siders to knock our door and say that our dog tried to attack them….tell me all you people out there what to do with such people?are they not scary?are they nor dangerous are they to be killed?!mmm?
I should say that …we also own a little german sheperd that we see to its best that it moves almost allthe time with us.but wen it takes a walk in our passage (within our compound)….our neihbour(who seem to have passed MBBS in third class_by her acts …i’m forced to say this )
she throws outdated medicines !!and once our puppy had consumed it…and was trested.now say who to keep at distance and who near us?!
huh!!animals to that extant return the love what you show them..but such evil human creatures irrtate you for life time..though you you keep silent .
by the way people at this time again our dog was the target and rest of other dogs that took a peepout in front of corporation people were killed.again they were as kind dogs as that of ours!!but i alone what i could do when all others have joined their hands for such a crime?i was shame ful to have stood like helpless……………………………!
i could again make my dog live atleast ..there is were i played a role of proud parent to my dog “Tiger” that belives we are there for it silently.and my german sheperd “Remo” is growing dumb without knowledge of such criminals and pains faced by his brother tiger !!
so ,friends…if you consider my writing as genuine…then please help me and my kind of animal raisers…..to over come the cruilty of such neihbours by forcing the corporation to allow my suggestion of registration of dogs for their safety and also for their owners.
Have the same feeling of how would, if your kid is chased and beaten and poisoned to death ?!remember-’you reap what you sow.’
if you are kind for them they give their lifes for your safety.they dont hurt you unless they are hurt .they bite out of fear which was initiated by one culprit,and the victim could be innocent.if we avoid it…there ends the problem.killing is not the only solution.
so instead of exhibiting such level of pointless,cowardly and sadistic behaviour towards those dumb creatures…lets show some sympathy of letting their lives free,taking alternative measures.
mostly, because they are alert and pose to be ferocious at nights,you or your neighbour or your friend is saved from being robbed or looted or raped or kidnapped or killed!!my request to :BPO people /corporates and public is ,show your hiarchy of being humans by not avoiding their brutal killing .”Eye for an Eye” is not the way you should be dealing dumb animals!
June 26, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Dear Meneka Gandhi Ji,I am from Bhubaneswar(Orissa)I just want to know if there is any hospital from street animals in my city because everyday i see lots & lots of animals dying of various diseases and nobody is there to cure them I fell pity for them but what can i do alone i tried my level best but failed pls suggest me.i am enclosing my mail id with my phone no hope i get a positive response from your end
Thanking You
Yours Truely
Rajeev Hans
Ph:-9437965232
November 4, 2008 at 7:47 am
indian names of baby boy…
I usually agree with your article content, but in this case I am sorry to say that I do not share your views….
January 12, 2009 at 6:58 pm
I would just like to say that I have around 5 street dogs in my colony. I got them all sterilised and the colony children play with them without any fear. Not a single one shows aggresion to any of the kids and the kids literally sit on them, pull their ears and whiskers and all the dogs do is lie on its back for tummy rubs or try to play tag with them . I have tried to reason with the children that they shouldnt play too much with the street dogs as they are after all strays and are dirty but they just refuse to listen coz they love the dogs so much.
Its really illogical when one tragic incident of dog mauling constitutes to mass culling of a species. Shows how weak we humans are and how cruel as well to a species that cant fight back. If the process of mass culling is justified then considering the number of rapes taking place in NCR we should catch hold of all men and castrate them. Ya thats how logical your call for mass culling is, no more men with *organ* no more rapes , problem solved isnt it? *I am a man btw*
Does anyone stop to see or think the number of dead dogs and pups crushed under car tyres everyday because your children are getting late for their guitar class or your meeting has already started? What you are asking is unjustified in too many levels. Its like “just because I can do it , I will” So basically when the whites tried to rule over the weaker section of the planet that was justified too, just because they could they would!
January 12, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Also its surprising that all these people are complaining of HUGE stray dog population but none of them ever get off their fat bottoms to do a thing about it. If public funds were not embezzled or people actually cared to stop watching TV for their fill of SAANS and Bahu nonsense and got some strays strelised within 5 years stray dogs would be not a problem at all. If every colony took it up on them selves and got them operated ..the population will drastically decrease within 5 years but no kindly sit in ur warm rooms chuck stone at a passing by pup and complain of huge dog stray population!
July 20, 2009 at 7:53 pm
My thoughts:
1. Where could we relocate all these stray dogs when even people are homeless and living like dogs? Yes, Bangalore has its slums too. There are 3 or 4 of them near Yeswathpur, for instance. Many people who migrate to Bangalore from the North are surprised at reality.
2. I sometimes empathize with these dogs. Recently I have been seeing many dogs with skin infections, abcesses and cancerous growths. It’s a sure sign that the city is getting polluted by the minute and garbage is not getting its proper attention. Where are the animal rights groups?
3. Sitting in the comfort of your home it’s easy to say, “Let’s kill them all”. Try doing it yourself, in your own way – gas them, gun them, poison them or burn them. That’s the only way to realize the brutality of it all.
4. I hate stray dogs but killing them is not the way. In any political system, you can’t satisfy everyone. It’s no better in a democracy. Indian democracy lives on inaction and tolerance.
February 3, 2010 at 5:37 am
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March 27, 2010 at 8:43 pm
Today morning a pack of 7 stray dogs attacked a senior citizen who was taking her morning walk in the newly laid Iblur BBMP park without any provocation.They just chased her down and bit her and took also mouth ful of meat from two places while there are 11 wounds in total. The lady is in shock and my wife who takes morning walk is traumatised by the very sight of dogs attakcing a fallen lady. It seems the dogs are sterilised by ABT programme and then only they became violent.
why not export them to nagaland
September 4, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Wd like to make few suggestions for the comfort and convenience of stray dogs and their lovers:
1.Why single out dogs for preferential treatment. Peta rules should be made applicable to mosquitos also. After they are also living beings and cause much lesser problems (only little fever) than dogs. All other lives including deadly bacteria, viruses etc should also fall under the ambit of these rules. Scientists say that they are also living beings and the only reason that you cannot see them dying with naked eyes should not deprive them their legitimate right to live.
2.Govt. efforts to family planning must be scuttled. After all these lead to a reduced prey size of stray dogs.
3.Govt. programmes to control Infant mortality rates must also be countered with full force. Stray dogs are known to dug out the bodies of infants from graves. We have no right to starve them of the tender meat. That specifically may be the reason that even Hindu Dharma prescribes the burial (and not the burning)of infants.
4. The firms manufacturing insecticides, pesticides, antibiotics etc. must be banned and prosecuted for what they have been doing till now.( By the way , I will like to know as to how many of these animal lovers donot use mosquito repellents and get their houses treated for pests. I know at least one of them who gets such treatment every time he notices a cockroach, lizard or rat in his house.)
Have many more suggestions. Will any stray dog lover buy please. Free of cost to the one who will volunteer his infant relation ( preferably own child) to cross a pack of wild dogs with a history of devouring human flesh.
April 4, 2011 at 2:24 pm
All of you who are soooooo concerned about strays – why dont you just stop preaching, yelling, calling names to other people who comment, blame politicians, the system etc and simply adopt a few strays? rather than yell, why not act??? why quote the mahabharat when you dont even have a darned clue what it is all about…?
also, what would you do if you were chased by a pack of strays late at night when you are returning from work..? what will you do if your maid was bitten by a stray at night..? what will you do if your maintenance person in your building lost their 21/2 year old after she was mauled by a pack of 5 dogs? what would you do if this child were yours( wish it happens to some of you who talk and abuse soo much!!) think before yelling!
July 18, 2011 at 1:07 am
If you can even love Animals, how can you love human beings?