Christian Aggression « The Great Indian Mutiny

February 10, 2007

Christian Aggression

Posted by chacko under A Mutineer speaks, India, Nation, Religion

There isn’t much you can do to help those who think their penis is smaller. They will always be insecure. They won’t come out and say it but you can make out they have a ‘problem’ by their behaviour in other issues.

My friends at ChristianAggression.org seems to have the same problem. They spend their after work hours and weekends telling the world how they Christians are taking over India. Through Aggression. Oh! and I almost forgot, our friends do this from their homes in the United States of America.

Think of the irony, these losers left India for the US, gave up their Indian nationality and now is involved in a crusade to save India from the Christians. Just so that they don’t upset their host country, they have the following disclaimer on their website,

“Note: The views expressed on this site are those of the respective authors and not necessarily those of this website. This website holds the Christian faith in high regard and is in no way anti-Christian. Rather this website is opposed to the aggression practiced under in the name of Christianity.“

Right. You name your site christianaggression.org and you claim that you are “in no way anti-christian”.

What exactly are you losers worried about? That 2.3 per cent of Indian’s Christian community will take over the Red Fort in Delhi? Is that why you left India and took up citizenship of the US?

So to my American friend with a small problem, sitting somewhere in Scottsdale, Arizona, all I want to say is: India is my country, if we have a problem, we will solve it. Please don’t waste your bandwidth and web-design skills on creating hate. Take down your website by the end of this month. If you don’t, I will be reporting this matter to the Government of India and the US authorities. I will not let losers like you create divisions in my country.

1,681 Responses to “Christian Aggression”

Nita Says:
February 10, 2007 at 8:24 pm
I always wonder what these people (who hate) did before the internet arrived. How did they get vent their hate? Nowadays the internet has become the favorite way of doing it. Anyone can start a blog…and start the bashing. I think you should complain to the host of the site too.
Apollo Says:
February 10, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Well, i think everyone has a right to freedom of expression. One man’s hate speech is another man’s truth.
chacko Says:
February 11, 2007 at 12:44 am
Nita, I intend to take on these guys through the court. I have asked my lawyer to file a case.

@Apollo, everyone has a freedom of expression. Not hate talk. In the US these guys might get away with it but I can assure you that the material on the site is enough for me get a non bailable warrant against them.
Apollo Says:
February 11, 2007 at 8:23 am
chacko,

I don’t agree. there is a lot of stuff in the bible that could be represented as hate speech against unbelievers. so do we call for the ban on the bible too?

I believe there is no such thing as good and bad free speech. if we go down this line then within no time we will find the scope for freedom of expression reducing till we end up with a 1984 style regime obsessed with every little thing u say or do.

Ofcourse there are sensible limits to free speech. for example one cannot shout “Fire” in a crowded place and one cannot directly incite someone to violence against any individual or group. Short of that we have no choice but to tolerate all forms of opinion.
Ashish Says:
February 11, 2007 at 9:26 am
I wonder if you are blind to irony in your post? You start your sentence with a nice quote and then go on criticizing someone else’s belief. What is that with Indians in India that they consider Indians outside India less Indian? Or that Indians in India have exclusive right to think about India, and noone else can do so? Something about short penis, is it?
Woke Says:
February 11, 2007 at 10:45 am
I think it is only a website spreading anti-Christian propaganda using various sources. There are far more objectionable websites in India itself abusing different communities. So why single out this?

Rather than telling them that India is your country and they have no business here, tell them with reason why they are wrong. By writing this ‘they hate christians, so I dont like them’ post you have only given them a few more hits.
chacko Says:
February 11, 2007 at 11:16 am
Woke, I wouldn’t have cared if the site was anti-Christian, there is a lot of that around. But if you put together a site that is aiming to create problems between communities in my country, then I do have a problem with it.

Ashish,
I’m an Indian who is based outside India.
Jo Says:
February 11, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Chacko,

There are too much of these kind of websites. Against Christians, Muslims, Communists and so on… But I don’t think its a good idea to ban them unless they’re calling their readers for a violent action on any of these groups. And the best way to resist them is to prove their findings wrong (if that’s the case) and if they are preaching false propaganda, reveal them in public through a blog post. That’s the best thing.

But I agree with you when you said you don’t understand how these guys think 2.3% of Christians are going to take over India on the religious basis. It is their insecurity feeling. If a religion could survive for more than 1000s of years, it will still survive if it has anything good in it. I don’t understand their insecurity ill feeling.
Woke Says:
February 11, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Pretty much agree to what Joe said.
Venkat Says:
February 13, 2007 at 8:03 pm
The site essentially exposes the covert deception of the the missionaries and evangelists to convert Hindus. The website only compiles and posts the articles. That is all.

If you have a problem you should go to the original articles …. which essentially are Christian churches which openly speak of their hatred for Hinduism and plans to convert them.
pairamblr Says:
February 13, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Dear Chacko,

While you are free to take any action you deem fit, if you are able to go to a court and if Hindu groups are able to gather the info to present to the court, you then will know what is happening.

Kindly understand that a web is not going to create hate in my or any other person’s mind hate since every one of us - that include you and me - think that we are mature. At least that is what we think. So no one accept such news blindly. When we read something, we relate it and then think over that. We discuss and check and cross check. Only then we go to the next stage of thinking that there could be some truth in that. So no news is bad news and no news is good news. An info is only info until one studies that and work on that. And i believe even u are not one to blindly accept what ever you read blindly.

However I can point out very idiotic stories presented by several Christian conversion organisations that are floating in the web. But i am not interested in that since i am one to think that what we can do is only to talk to people and discuss with people and any ignorant one who thinks that by conversion he can go to heaven, better let him since Like Christ said ” God, he does not know what he is doing, pardon him for his ignorance ”
But that does not leave me to keep quite and so we do discuss and we see how people could be told of what is happening. Also we are not ones - like VHP etc who are in for fights.

In my humble opinion, it will be nice for you to please try a little bit understand what is happening by reading the posts of people who do not belong to christianity and who feel bad about the way govt is acting as far as Hinduism is concerned.

Are you aware that in India, the temples are controlled by govt while christianity and muslims have freedom to control their relgious institutions?

Have you noticed how christianity work on development of their community while we Hindus feel orphaned as the govt has no interest in development of hindu religious institutions ? The people who work in temples get peanuts and they have no chance of growth - growth by way of learning further the scriptures, go for research on the subjects they have learned etc? what can the community do in such a situation?

I am one to think that God if there is one introduced DIVERSITY for the benefit of the creation - or the order. But now human beings think that they are more intelligent that GOD - if there is one and they want to unify. they want to convert people to their thinking. Not by educating them, but by offering incentives - monetary benefits - etc. some times one wonder what difference is there between a religion like this and political party - except that in politics one can change the party as and when one feels where as religion one can not change too many times.

I suggest you kindly get into a discussion mode with people who are interested and see what is their thinking instead of all these court etc..In India, we have any number of instances where in people get a warrant even against president of India - but because it was a sting operation by a media to show the pathetic condition how our people act, probably the person who issued might have lost his job or may be in suspension getting half the salary until his case is decided - which may take another 20 years .

There is no disease worse than poverty
there is no poverty worse than ignorance.

so learn, teach, grow to maturity
Prakash Says:
February 13, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Chacko,
Your argument is illogical in multitude. Having gone through the website you mentioned i.e., christianaggression.com, which I visited for the first time, I don’t think any court would even entertain this case. The reason is that site is a subject specific blog posting articles found on various news sources. They are neither spreading hate or writing inflammatory articles. If you read a news item on LATimes against Christian fundamentalism and forward it to a couple of your friends. Is it called spreading hate? If a news paper publishes it is not hate whereas if it is distributed because somebody likes the article, do you call it hate?

I am also a Christian like you, hurt by the news articles they post but we have to accept that many people are misusing the message of Jesus.
Phoenix Says:
February 13, 2007 at 9:54 pm
This is not to take sides. But you have to
admit that Christians of India do not have
their hands clean either. How missionaries
converted the Hindus forcibly can be explored at the links below. And there
are hundreds of Christian websites which
defame Hindu faith. You already know that!

http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/christian-india-terrorism.html

http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/christian-missionary-atrocities.html#India-Missionaries
gayatri Says:
February 13, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Conversions in India are not only highly unethical — that is, using unethical means of conversion — but also that they threaten a whole way of life, erasing centuries of tradition, customs, wisdom, teaching people to despise their own religion and look Westwards to a culture which is alien to them, with disastrous results. Francois Gautier
For once Hindus are waking up and protecting their culture. We Hindus never convert and you must also respect our dharma and stop conversion. Converted Hindus live with complex and conflict within, so why snatch anyone’s faith? Try doing that in a catholic country and you will end up in behind bars. The said website is only protecting our dharma and they must carry on the task.
Tilak Says:
February 13, 2007 at 10:41 pm
I am interested to hear that American evangelists and missionaries consider themselves to be Christians. I was under the impression that they were merely surrogates of Uncle Sam’s many imperialist ventures to enslave as many people as possible, especially all us darkies. Well, you got a right kicking in Vietnam, a handful of Iraqis have your pants down to your knees and you know want to mess with one billion Hindus.
Once a slave owner, always a slave owner. Stop hiding behind Jesus Christ, a perfectly harmless disciple of god we Hindus revere. But Yankee slave-owners go home or we will have to make you, just like the Iraqis are doing right now.
shoba Says:
February 13, 2007 at 11:11 pm
This chako from kerala who claims to be a christian , were your forfathers christians too?
Puneet Goel Says:
February 13, 2007 at 11:22 pm
Hello chako, How about filing a case against the following website??

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0070/0070_01.asp
paul Says:
February 14, 2007 at 12:46 am
dear chacko,
you seem to be a nice fellow.
But the things you said about the fellows
who run christian aggression site are not so nice.
you see hindus are very tolerant people. secularism is in their genes.Through out history India welcomed and gave shelter for people who were persecuted around the world. Be it syrian christians, Jews, parsis, and even sufi muslims.
In return , they are getting
paid of destroying their civilization.pope
comes to India and says 1st millenium Europe, 2nd millenium Americas, 3rd millenium Asia. There are a billion souls to be saved in India. Let us harvest those souls.Did all your ancestors go to hell because they were not christians. How would
you like some other religious head comes and says , you need to be saved otherwise
you are going to hell.
There are tremondous things
happening against majority interest, by an ignorant alien woman. For example in state of
andhra pradesh, non hindus are in control of hindu temples, and destroying hindu institutions systematically.How would you like the next pope to be a muslim for example.
N.Q. Ayoob Says:
February 14, 2007 at 12:53 am
Dear Chacko: I must commend you for taking the time out from saving these heathain souls, to write articles. It struck me that St. Paul Dinakaran’s private Boeing 747 is very much like the Holy Cross, but the arms are a bit bent. Very holy indeed. Are the Mercedes Benz fleets of the Holy See doing well, now that the Vatican is having to spend all those trillions covering up the baby-buggering lawsuits??? Talk about “men” with micro-penises - what do you think of all your Rear Reverends?

I note that you call yourself a Crusader. Ah! A true sample of the love and non-violence that Jesus Christ preached, no doubt?
“Love thy neighbor’s goat as thine own”???
Vijay Says:
February 14, 2007 at 1:16 am
Mr. Chacko, if you, as you claim, are possessed of a larger penis (what a crude way to describe your macho manhood!)than most complaining Hindus who contribute to Christianaggression website, then go take your campaign to any Muslim country like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc., all of whom vie with each other in suppressing Christians as infidels with great gusto. Your Jesus will be much more proud and grateful to you for saving him from all the humiliations that he and his loyal disciples have to suffer every day in any of these countries. Don’t abuse the privileges you are given as a minority by the meek Hindus, or you may have a place reseseved in ‘eternal’ Hell! After all, it was your Jesus who said “It is the meek who shall inherit the earth and reach Heaven”. Learn something from the Muslims of Indonesia who still respect the culture of their Hindu ancestors despite the dictates of their imposed religion of Islam.
Atul Jain Says:
February 14, 2007 at 1:46 am
Hi Guys,

Don’t blame Chacko. He represents the typical Indian Christian mentality and following Church’s cental message “Evil is anything which opposes the Church; Christians should destroy evil”. Due to this fascist mentality Christian denominations fight among themselves and steal other’s sheep.

Chacko was brought up in that environment so he cannot tolerate any questioning or oppostion.

There wasn’t much awareness among Jains and Hindus regarding Christian conversion activities but an average man has more knowledge about the sinster campaigns going on.

Earlier I wanted to donate some money to christianaggression.org who politely refused, which no Church ever does. If the people behind that site get into legal trouble Jain community will stand by them.

Does anybody know the people running that site? I want to talk to them.
Jawahar Says:
February 14, 2007 at 3:12 am
That was a nice joke by Chakko..By the by y this attention seeking immature guy is threatening over here instead of filing a suit..if filing a suit plz let us know as well and also on which court u have filed it..Hope u will leave your address also while filing..awaiting your response chako..
Al Farooq Says:
February 14, 2007 at 3:22 am
Hi Mate..R u the very same Joseph working in Dubai??

Nice to know that you will be flying soon to US to file this case.

Convey my regards to Bush Uncle as well can you plz file a case against faithfreedom.org as well, I will pay u some Dinar..there are many other jewish sites as well who spits venom against us..Plz find out the procedure there in US and let me know..

When are you flying to US? U got your Visa cleared?

Any how happy Journey..u crusader..

Farooq
Girish Says:
February 14, 2007 at 3:33 am
Abetting the missionaries and encouraging evangelism in India should be declared as an act of treason and people indulging in that should be stamped traitors.
The spreading of Christainity in India is diluting the very concept of India.She is a unique nation in this planet and she should be left alone.Please spread this concept.
Suresh Says:
February 14, 2007 at 5:56 am
Hi Chacko,

I have come across many like you who were hindus copule of generations back and converted to christianity for money. In fact I still remember a class mate of mine who used to preach during day condemning other religions and do all immoral activities at night. I feel it is the your guilty conscious of converting to another religion which makes you shout at other religions. Before speaking about others try to clean your own backyard.
Rajeev Says:
February 14, 2007 at 6:12 am
Hi Chacko,
Are you saying that your pallil achans(fathers or preachers) can say lies about other religions but others are not allowed to expose you people. Do you know how many churches (Business houses) were closed in US last year as people started suing them for mollesting children. Every week you see christian preachers being arrested for illegal activities(i.e, money laundering , mollesting children ). The biggest real estate mafia in Kerala is run by one Yohanan. I know people who have been conned by him. MANY LIKE YOU GOT CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY FOR MONEY. For People likelike you christians)nothing comes before money not even your parents or brothers.
Datta, R. Says:
February 14, 2007 at 8:47 am
All one needs to know about Christianity is right here — the terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send peace, but a sword.

“For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

“And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

- Matthew 10:34-36.
swamijyoti Says:
February 14, 2007 at 8:50 am
All one needs to know about Christian aggression is right here — the terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian Bible:

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. — Matthew 10:34-36.

So to this Christian Crusader can Hindus say: India is a Hindu country, if we have a problem, we will solve it. Please don’t create hate through your Jesus/Bible. Take down your Jesus/Bible by the end of this month. If you don’t, we will be reporting this matter to the Government of India and the US authorities. We will not let losers like you create divisions in our country in the name of your Jesus/Bible.

WHAT AGGRESSION? http://www.christianaggression.org/about_need.php
shiv ram Says:
February 14, 2007 at 9:33 am
Hi Chacko,

I am from India. I have seen with my own eyes how blatantly conversions take place in my country. Well not so much in the north at the moment though the efforts are on. It is in the southern states, where you come from. It is openly done. Even in places like Tirupati, our holy place, it is rampant. There is perhaps no Hindu religious place in southern India which does not have a huge church, a large cross or other symbol of Christianity very close to the Hindu religious place. It all seems deliberate and a forceful way to establish your presence. And since in the south there is absolutely no resisitance to these things, christian fundamentalists are emboldend. I am not lying. Please visit the outskirts of Chennai to see what’s going on, not to speak of the interior regions of AP, Tamil Nadu, Kerala. Coming to northern India, that’s now the prime target. Even our Kumbh Mela is not spared by the missionaries. They just hate other religions. They want to follow the worse of what is their in the bible, i.e. spread Christianity, whichever way you can. Fraud, money, deceit it doesn’t matter. But sweep the world with christianity. It is these missionaries who are dividing families, spreading religious hatred and should be condemned.
Vikas Says:
February 14, 2007 at 9:43 am
Shameless article….
Churches in india are ighly active in converting poor hindus and if there is a website to expose their reality.. such article prop up!
Satish Says:
February 14, 2007 at 10:20 am
Hate is more in this particular article and un-civilized language used by the author. Author better argue with the facts than claiming who wrote it or from where.
S Gupta Says:
February 14, 2007 at 10:34 am
I don’t think I need to say more than just pasting the text from http://www.christianaggression.com/about_need.php itself:

You are probably wondering what is the aggression caused by Christians in India. You may wonder how can a minority religion that is only 3% of the population cause aggression in a nation of over 1,000,000,000 people. In the press, the aggresion and “persecution” of Christians is often publicized. However it is never publicized how Christian Fundamentalists often incite this cycle of violence and aggression.

The root cause of Christian aggression in India is caused by the fact that Christianity believes that Jesus Christ is the only son of god. He is supposed to have been sent to earth to wash away the sins of the people, and so redeem them. Of course, this happens only to those who accept him as the only son of god. All the others do not get the benefit who do not have this shared belief will be burnt in hell for all eternity.

Christianity says that it has a unique path to salvation, and all the other paths are false. While there is supposed to be some modification in these views, the acceptance is that all the other paths may at most be second best. Therefore, it is better if people accept Christianity and not take a chance.

Christians believe that they have been commanded by Christ to go and “save” (convert) the people of this world. This is also supposed to give them special merit when it comes to the day of final judgment.

While there are many Christians who today do not believe in this exclusivity, there are a still large number of misguided Christians who still believe that in the exclusivity of Christianity and the concept of saving souls.

It is this misguided belief that causes breeds a hatred and intolerance for other religions. and from this hatred, these Christian Fundamentalists begin their aggression to convert. And often they will go to any means to convert even if it means violence.

This website seeks to educate the world about the atrocities that conversions bring and to bring this aggressive nature of Christianity to an end.
Suviraj Says:
February 14, 2007 at 10:35 am
Chacko,

All the best in your case, BTW way you seems to have disappeared.

RGDS

Suviraj
Woke Says:
February 14, 2007 at 11:09 am
Guys,
Personal attacks, quotes from the Bible and sweeping generalisations aside, I do not think the author ever justified in terms of religion. His only concern seems to be that the website is creating rifts in the community - which may or may not be true. You are free to disagree.

Please realise that all forms of generalisation is dangerous and non-sensical. Whether it is “Christians has a fascist mentality”, “Muslims are terrorists” or “Hindus are evil-worshippers”.

So if you feel any Christian groups are guilty of doing forcible conversions, please be specific.
Nita Says:
February 14, 2007 at 11:23 am
Forcible conversions or induced conversions are wrong and nowhere has Chacko said that he supports it.
Venkat Says:
February 14, 2007 at 11:51 am
Nita

Chacko has not gone into the site which collects all the hatred heaped by Christian websites and essentially exposes them. So Chacko is unhappy that the missionary hatred is exposed.

Missionary activities are generally covert and deceptive and done by inducements and taking advantage of poverty and sufferings of people - exploitative and unethical in nature.

The original articles are from Christian websites — take note of that

Here are some links from christianaggression - click on source

From Times of India
Tension in Tripura hills over mass conversion
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/India/Tension_in_Tripura_hills_over_mass_conversion/articleshow/1014905.cms

From Zee news
Himachal Pradesh passes anti-conversion legislation
http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=345082&sid=REG&ssid=

Hindustan Times (This link does not work but you can access the moscow news
Russian Archbishop calls Lord Krishna ‘Satan’

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/12/08/krishnasatan.shtml

Robertson Says All Other Religions Worship “Demonic Powers”
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/2006/11/robertson_says.html

Who is spreading hate — go figure! Don’t blame the messengers, blame the intolerance of the Christian religion and their preachers who believes only their god is one and the only true on and all others are destined to eternal hell.
pairamblr Says:
February 14, 2007 at 12:15 pm
hello all,

while we all agree that no personal attack or rift with our Dear Chacko, while - as Nita says - no where has Chacko said that he support conversion - forced or induced - the point also is no where he has stated anything against that also. It would have been nice if he had taken pains to present a case in a better way instead of just complaining and threatening.

We have no problems with DIVERSITY. We all enjoy Diversity as that is one most important factor that makes this life as beautiful inspite of the problems and suffering etc that we have around us.

Who stops any one if one wish to help others who are in distress? But who is interested in helping people in distress -for free? they want a pie for providing the ” help “.

This is the problem and the sooner it is understood better for the whole world.
Harish Says:
February 14, 2007 at 12:33 pm
I think this Chacko chap would have done himself (and all of us spending time responding to his BS) a world of good to check if reports of aggressive proselytization India are true. Reports emerging from almost every part of India suggest that they are. Prospective converts are promised food, clothes, books, and even money to convert. What’s wrong if someone decides to expose this racket?
Manoj Says:
February 14, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Friends,
I really don’t understand why these stupid people staying miles away from India have to do with country?
Why Vatican is funding Christian missionaries in India?
Why they are setting alliance to hang Darasinh who killed priest in India?

This is Darasinhs country, what these pope, and bishops with small belongings, have to do with this?

This is our country, our problems, we will solve these internally.

AM I RIGHT CHACKO?
Vijay Says:
February 14, 2007 at 2:34 pm
The two arrogant and holier-than-thou monotheistic religions–viz, Christianity and Islam–have over the last two millenia, and will always remain a source of conflict and warfare in the world until they realize the basic Truth that God the Creator of the universe is, like the Sun and the Moon, one in every part of the world and bestows His beneficence and Compassion impartially to every one of His creation regardless of race, skin color, geography, national origin or religious beliefs, precsely because all of them are His children and are designed to carry the imprints of Hs prowess. As a Sanskrit verse narrates so beautifully: ” It is only the petty-minded who constantly dwell in creating divisions saying ‘this is mine, and that is not mine’. But the large-hearted persons know and live in the wisdom that the whole earth is but one harmonious famly”.
chacko Says:
February 14, 2007 at 2:38 pm
I would like to thank all of you for your responses. I would like to especially thank Puneet Goel for providing a link to Chick publication’s cartoons. It thought it was really funny.

At the onset, I would like to state some facts about me. This is because a lot of you seem to be coming to your own conclusions about who I am, where I am, when my family converted and what’s the size of my penis.

1. I’m an Indian first. Religion to me is a personal matter.
2. I’m totally against forced or enticed conversions. It does more harm than good, particularly to the Christian community in India. I strongly support an Indian citizen’s right to choose the religion of his choice. It should be a personal choice.
3. My uncle was the only Christian (other than George Fernandez) to be a minister in the BJP led NDA union government. [This information is just to hint to you that my political ideology is not Left of centre]
4. When did my family become Christian? Frankly I don’t know. I have had access to records as far as the 1600 but Syro Malabar records before that were either lost or destroyed by the Portuguese - (The Syrian Christians fought the Portuguese because they wanted to impose their form of Christianity on us)

My post was against an American website spreading hate about the Christian community in India. The website does not give details about who is running the site nor about the authors who are sending them the reports. I did a google on the authors and they don’t seem to exist.

If there is a problem with missionaries in India, there is a mechanism within India to solve it. We don’t need people who have given up their Indian citizenships and taken an oath to protect and serve another constitution how to run our country. We don’t need these people/websites spreading false information about minorities in our country.

Why doesn’t Christianaggression.org site contactable sources? Why does Christianaggression.org register itself as an organization? Why is there no contact detail for Christainaggression.com other a Yahoo id? Why are most of the contact details for christainaggression.org domain left blank?

Manoj, Darasingh led a mob who burned three people, including two children alive. He was convicted by an Indian court. Let the law take its own course. I don’t think Vatican pays for Churches in India. Infact, we pay the Vatican for social missions around the world. There was a recent article in Indian Today about how Indian catholic priests are running Churches around the world. For example, the Vatican ambassador to Iraq is an Indian.

It’s a bit ironic that it took all of you so long to respond to my post and none of you have bothered to leave a real name or email address. Scared? Insecure?
Manoj Says:
February 14, 2007 at 3:39 pm
Chacko
I think you got your answer. When Christianity suffered in India whole Christian religion united to hang Darasinh. I appreciate.
When Hinduism is getting suffered in India because of alien religion, why NRI should not strike back?
Vatican is funding conversions across the world is truth, everyone is aware of it. In fact they are interfering in Tirumalla issue.
And buddy you will need to set new chain of courts in India to sue such people. Hindus are awakening.
And about nationality:
Hinduism teaches everyone to love their motherland. Matrubhumi.
chacko Says:
February 14, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Manoj is that the best come back you could manage?

->When Christianity suffered in India whole Christian religion united to hang Darasinh.

It’s Darasingh. The whole country was united to make sure that this murderer of children is punished. Regardless of anybody’s religion. He was tried in court and sentenced.

->When Hinduism is getting suffered in India because of alien religion, why NRI should not strike back?

Strike back at what? Fellow Indians? What is an Alien religion? India is a secular republic just in case you hadn’t noticed.

->Vatican is funding conversions across the world is truth, everyone is aware of it. In fact they are interfering in Tirumalla issue.

I don’t know what is the Tirumalla issue. I also don’t know where you get your edition of the truth from. But you can now check with the Vatican itself if they are funding anything in India.

->And buddy you will need to set new chain of courts in India to sue such people. Hindus are awakening.

Good morning. Frankly I don’t care who is awake or sleep. If you spread misinformation about my country, I will sue you ass.

->Hinduism teaches everyone to love their motherland. Matrubhumi.

Since when did Arizona become Matubhumi of Hindus?

Have a red bull, think a bit more before you pollute the Internet.
Manoj Says:
February 14, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Well,
A cheap reply but up to expectations.

Strike back at what? (Aggression of dirty intension)

What is an Alien religion? (Religion which is being practiced in India, just because enforcement)

>>If you spread misinformation about my country, I will sue you ass.
It was pretty pleasant reply. Love India by heart.

>>Since when did Arizona become Matubhumi of Hindus?

Try to remember Madanlal Dhingra, Gadar, Abhinav Bharat Sanstha…..

Remembered????
chacko Says:
February 14, 2007 at 4:33 pm
->A cheap reply but up to expectations.
Thank you.

->Strike back at what? (Aggression of dirty intension)
What is ‘Aggression of dirty intension’? You mean porn? Please don’t take that away.

->What is an Alien religion? (Religion which is being practiced in India, just because enforcement)
You mean all religions practiced in India are alien? ‘just because enforcement’ - I didn’t get that bit.

->>>If you spread misinformation about my country, I will sue your ass.
It was pretty pleasant reply. Love India by heart.

Ekdum dil se. Is your and those of you Arizona based buddies loving the same country ‘by heart’ as their passports?

>>Since when did Arizona become Matubhumi of Hindus? Try to remember Madanlal Dhingra, Gadar, Abhinav Bharat Sanstha…..Remembered????

Who are they? Your cousins? I know Gadar is movie starring Sunny Deol.

Come on Manoj, try harder, go beyond my expectations. Stop naming cousins.
Manoj Says:
February 14, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Huh

Madanlal Dhingra, Gadar, Abhinav Bharat Sanstha…..Remembered????

Who are they? You cousins?

Not my cousins. Dhingra was GOD. Everything for me. And all true Indians.

Now everyone can suggest you
Dont pollute internet with your craps.
CS Says:
February 14, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Dear Mr.Chacko,

Just writing in to thank you for suppling those vital parts (of information) in the 1st para of your complaint.It may be a small issue for some, but it helped me to find out whether the site in question is grrrrrreat or ’small(er)”.

My investigation shows that site is actually great ,so now ,you need not be insecure about it (since all of us know that ’smaller’ only causes insecurity ).

I am in awe of you.You are a great underwear– i mean undercover agent almost in the same league as James Bond ….that bit(small thing) about nri’s(please note that i have used small letters for them) operating from their homes is another vital part (of information)which helps to accurately pinpoint(again small)the size of their crusade.I’m glad you did’nt forget that information.

But you did withhold another vital part(of information)– the fact that the kind of people that make up this loser category comprises of doctors/ scientists /engineers etc etc .You are indeed so right they must be scum to have risen to the top of society and that is why from those heights they think size of christains =2.3 millimetre– i mean million which is considerably small can penetrate into red fort area…Ghosh! i’m getting confused –is christain size big or small(of population)……anyway who cares about these hindus who try to enforce no discrimination=one size for all ,in India……..

But you and I can fix them we have government of India(= Sonia christain Auntie) on our side…and by the God of small things we will.Till then take care……be happy ……i pray let even the small things in life bring you pleasure.

_CS
Venkat Says:
February 14, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Chacko

You have mentioned you are against “an American website spreading hate about the Christian community in India. ”

Now let us break that into two.

1. American Based: Does is really matter where a site is based in this internet age.
There are many reasons people prefer an American base.
The servers/host may be cheaper, more reliable, of course we have more IT personnel there. One very important consideration is censorship fears which is more in India and less in the United States.

So this question is a moot point.

2.Now mention spreading hatred about Christian community

This is the crux of your complaint. All else like you being an Indian blah, blah is irrelevant.

Now kindly let us know where and how does the website spread hatred about Hinduism.

Where is your proof. So far you have been repeatedly asserting that the site spread hatred, without an iota of proof.

I have given my proof that the site shows the hatred spread by Christian websites on Hinduism and other religions. Your goodself is blaming the messenger, I am sorry to say.

Methinkgs your goodself have not even gone thru the articles in the site. Please spend a few hours browsin and reading. And then come back to us.

I feel you are either no aware of feigning pretense over Christian evangelistic activities goin on India which have been creating a lot of problems. Such that even tiny Himachal Pradesh led by a Congress state government just recently made laws against forcible and fraudulent conversion practices.

Your effort will be better spent by confronting hatred spread by the missionaries intent on converting all non Christians to their religion.
chacko Says:
February 14, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Mr.CS,

Your attempt at humour is… how shall I put it?…pretty lame.

->>the fact that the kind of people that make up this loser category comprises of doctors/ scientists /engineers etc etc .You are indeed so right they must be scum to have risen to the top of society and that is why from those heights they think size of christains….

Your point being?

->>But you and I can fix them we have government of India(= Sonia christain Auntie) on our side…and by the God of small things we will.

I’m not a Congress party supporter but Sonia Gandhi is an Indian Citizen, an elected MP and chairperson of the UPA.

Please don’t be concerned about my pleasure. I’m glad people like you are responding to this post. A collection of your IPs will help my FIR. Yes, that’s you in Delhi Mr. CS, Manoj in Mumbai and all our friends in Malaysia, UK and North America.

Maybe Sonia “Aunties” people might have a few words to say when you apply for your India visas, PIO cards.

Happy hating!
Venkat Says:
February 14, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Chacko

Please ignore my earlier message where I wrote Hinduism instead of Christianity. Below is the edited one.

You have mentioned you are against “an American website spreading hate about the Christian community in India. ”

Now let us break that into two.

1. American Based: Does is really matter where a site is based in this internet age.
There are many reasons people prefer an American base.
The servers/host may be cheaper, more reliable, of course we have more IT personnel there. One very important consideration is censorship fears which is more in India and less in the United States.

So this question is a moot point.

2.Now mention spreading hatred about Christian community

This is the crux of your complaint. All else like you being an Indian blah, blah is irrelevant.

Now kindly let us know where and how does the website spread hatred about Christianity

Where is your proof. So far you have been repeatedly asserting that the site spread hatred, without an iota of proof.

I have given my proof that the site shows the hatred spread by Christian websites on Hinduism and other religions. Your goodself is blaming the messenger, I am sorry to say.

Methinkgs your goodself have not even gone thru the articles in the site. Please spend a few hours browsin and reading. And then come back to us.

I feel you are either no aware of feigning pretense over Christian evangelistic activities goin on India which have been creating a lot of problems. Such that even tiny Himachal Pradesh led by a Congress state government just recently made laws against forcible and fraudulent conversion practices.

Your effort will be better spent by confronting hatred spread by the missionaries intent on converting all non Christians to their religion.
Manoj Says:
February 14, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Hey chako
CS is right
….undercover agent almost in the same league as James Bond

I am Pune not in Mumbai u ass.

Dont try to be smart dude. Get some life.

Lolz
chacko Says:
February 14, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Dear Venkat in Malaysia.

It doesn’t matter where you are based. As long as you are an Indian citizen and don’t attack any particular religion in India.

You are worried about censorship ‘fears’ in India? So you prefer an American host? Hmm.. that’s pretty ironic.

->>All else like you being an Indian blah, blah is irrelevant.

You guys really don’t get it do you? Being an Indian citizen is my number one identity. It’s not blah-blah Venkat.

->>What is your proof?
You will soon find out. My lawyers are putting together the required documents. Why spoil all the fun in advance? We are going to have so much fun!

->>Your effort will be better spent by confronting hatred spread by the missionaries intent on converting all non Christians to their religion.

Have you considered why there are so many people converting to Buddhism? Why haven’t you launched a site called Buddhistaggression? What will that get you? Where is it going to stop?
chacko Says:
February 14, 2007 at 5:30 pm
Manoj, thank you once again.
Manoj Says:
February 14, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Chacko 007

Oh you must be high profile ass, arent u?

You must be having fleet of security guards, Bullet proof cars, ambulances, LAWYERS, techno savvy computer engineers…..

Lolz
chacko Says:
February 14, 2007 at 5:35 pm
…and loads of bare naked women
Woke Says:
February 14, 2007 at 5:42 pm
Guys, please keep the discussion to the subject and avoid making personal remarks - and that is applicable to the author as well.

Comments will be disabled if this is going to end up an an immature shouting match.
Venkat Says:
February 14, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Chacko

So far you have not proved the hatred part. You have mentioned about being Indian, something about your uncle
about Arizona, about all kinds of stuff not related to your to your central assertion.

I will be very pleased if you bring a lawsuit since it will
give a lot of publicity to the website and deceptive missionary practises. Do keep us updated.
Manoj Says:
February 14, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Yeah Chocko The 007
Waiting for your invitation……….
K Sivaraman Says:
February 14, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Dear Chacko,

Are you troubled that the natives of India (read Hindus) are at last becoming conscious of the wrongdoings against them? If so, dear Chacko, naive are you to have not anticipated it. Life is a cycle. and you shall get what you throw at others. You sowed the seeds of hatred since independece (from even before) and now are reaping the fruits. If you will not learn now, when else will you?

Any country has to live by its rules, dear sir. Rules of our country are about tolerance - yes, but it should be two sided. When the meek is angry - the world cannot stand it. Right now hindus are meek. You (the church included) do not want us (0.8 Billion hindus) angry, especially in our own country.

Om. Peace. Peace. Peace.
reg,
k
Sunil Says:
February 14, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Dear Chaco,
You are saying you are indian first. Any Indian’s first act in case of criticism is introspection… have you done it. Have you tried to verify whatever is mentioned in the web site you wanted to ban. Let me put you the own example of mine how the christians behaved in my own village… Once they gain the critical mass(of course all of them were almost lured into christianity… If you want I can provide you the details of my own friends how they got into christianity) they resisted the traditional vinayaka chavithi celebrations thru that street. At the same time there was a converted christian family in my neighbourhood who was putting the ‘Keertans on Jesus Christ’ every morniing. I am telling this for you to understand who is hating who… Few families in one area could stop a tradition and one family in another area could freely follow what they like even it disturbs the majority.

Uncoverinng the truth doesn’t come under the hatred… You always had a choice of uncovering any false messages in the mentioned website… but you have taken the route of force… Anyway as our ideal is ‘Truth only Triumphs’ .. Satyameva Jayate

And the thing I most wondered are your comments on our patriotic fighters for freedom… that makes you less of an Indian.. You are talking one side for the country and other side making degradable comments on our freedom fighters (Madan Lal Dhingra etc)
Halla Says:
February 15, 2007 at 12:04 am
Dear chacko,
I have seen the website. always truth wins. ’satyameva jayate’. So, why bother about these things. I do not think one should waste energy in checking who runs what website and what response we should give. Jesus asked us to give love to people. Gandhiji also told the same. We rather go do some better business, serve the needy. Nothing will drown, if someone writes some thing in a website. If it is true people will be careful about missionaries. Missionaries have to be ashamed, if they are doing that. Else, they laugh at these website owners. However, now a days, even I am reading some mews about missionaries giving money to people who get converted. I feel, that is wrong, in any case. One should get converted to other faith, if they understand the same. They should not be converted for money or some other benefits. That is wrong. Not sure if Jesus had asked us to do this. I believe that there is only one God. All ways lead to same destiny. If I believe in Jesus, I can continue to do so. If some one else believes in Rama/Krishna, they can do so. Religion is personal. One need not publicize it through a missionary. My servant was telling that she started going to church and they asked her to remove the photos of hindu gods at her house and so on…Why should one say that. i strongly feel that it is wrong. These things create tension in the society. What is the problem, if everyone continue in their religion. That way, hindus are beetter. they are not asking muslims and christians to convert to Hinduism. even though they are majority here in india. Actually, christianity is getting bad name because of these missionaries, i feel. Share your opinion about it.
Lisa Mathew Says:
February 15, 2007 at 12:42 am
Christianity is not a theory or speculation, but a life; not a philosophy of life, but a life and a living process. The moral and religious system which Jesus Christ transmitted to us is the best the world has ever seen, or can see. I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. Christianity simply does not make sense until you have faced the sort of facts I have been describing. Christianity tells people to repent and promises them forgiveness. It therefore has nothing (as far as I know) to say to people who do not know they have done anything to repent of and who do not feel that they need forgiveness. And finally … I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag and to the Savior, for whose Kingdom it stands, one Savior, crucified, risen, and coming again, with life and liberty for all who believe.
Venkat Says:
February 15, 2007 at 5:12 am
Lisa, let us not get sidetracked here. I am keen to find out about the hatred that Christian Aggression purpotedly thrives on.

With respect to your exposition on your religion, Hey, Lisa — let us be straightforward here. What you are trying to say is that Christianity is the only one and true religion and Jesus is the god, all the rest of beliefs including Hinduism are wrongs and our Gods are demons and devils.

That leaves no space for tolerance, and pluralism for other beliefs from a Christian viewpoint.

So who spreads hatred messages about other religions then. I rest my case.
sri Says:
February 15, 2007 at 6:25 am
Chaco,
Reading hate material online does raise the hatred levels, but not to the extent that we get incited to hit/hurt someone. Eventually those levels reduce and we are back to business giving the hatred material its due place as yet another post.
The people who are bent on creating the divide or someone else. They do it whether there is hatred ,aterial online or not. We should be tackling the foot soldiers not the online pumpers. It is easy to find the foot soldiers. The government knows the wherabouts of these people and yet it shows ignorance.

We all know the Modi government has turned a blind eye to gujarath carnage.
We all know, it was BJP/RSS/VHP combine which brought down babri masjid. We all know that it was local congress unit in Delhi which started anti-sikh riots in 1984.
We all know, it is Pakistan which is sustaining the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
We all know, it is America which is creating troubles around the world.

But, are we able to handle these people and punish them?
Leaving all these direct pointers, going after online punkers is not going to fetch anything for us.
They write, write & write and one day disappear. Because, they don’t make any difference in this world.
Nita Says:
February 15, 2007 at 6:32 am
I am proud to be a Hindu and Hindusim is not just ‘a philosophy of life’ but a religion.
But I will never ever try to persuade anyone to become a Hindu. And I will never imply that another religion is just a ‘philosphy’ or whatever. All religions are religions. If I believe that Hinduism is the best way to reach God, it does not mean that I do not respect another’s right to reach God in another way.
Venkat Says:
February 15, 2007 at 7:04 am
Nita

Your comments are good. Hindus could not care less what the other person believes or not believes. That is why we are the most pluralistic and tolerant countries in the world.

However tolerance also has its limits. We cannot tolerant the intolerant. Otherwise the intolerant will take over. The saying goes
Dharmo Rakshati Rakshitah meaning Dharma protects only if you protect dharma.

So exposing the hatred of christian websites as christian aggression is doing is dharma and not hatred.

See below — a long and absorbing article on Nagaland which is the only Christian majority state and they are fighting for A christian country — no democracy, no secularism. Go figure who is spreading hate.

Daily Herald : Passage from IndiaA. The slogan, Nagalim for Christ, arose out of the conviction of the Nagas, … “Nagalim for Christ” is the manifestation that Nagas can never part with …
http://www.dailyherald.com/special/passagefromindia/nagaland_qa.asp -

Naga: Message to the Naga People on Nagalim Republic DayGOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF NAGALIM … That the Naga Nation shall be ‘a People’s Republic’ and march on under the banner, ‘Nagalim for Christ’. …
http://www.unpo.org/article.php?id=4086
vashistvishal Says:
February 15, 2007 at 10:51 am
@Nita - Just to make you aware there is no religion as such _Hindu_. The religion we (so called Hindus) follow is _SNANATAN DHARMA_. Hindu world got associated with us after Indus Valley Civilization. Don’t know the exact date, but people on the other side of Sindhu River use to call us Sindhu (we on other side of sindhu river) and when they pronounced it sounded Hindu to others. If i remember it was after Alexander the Great, but if you want i can tell you the dates after referring the books.
This is just an enlightenment on this so called Hindu and Hinduism. Its all rubbish, Only thing is Santana Daharam - which is a way of life to be practiced.

@Venkat - I’m not sure what you are trying to say Here. What is yr point in response to chackos post

And to rest of the readers, please do not indulge in personal comments and lets discuss this in a matured way and come to a conclusion which
can be passed onto others and help them in making their opinion on this issue
Manoj Says:
February 15, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Vishal
You are right,
But I think no religion is wrong. And all teaches the way of living. Some faiths and beliefs might differ.
You may call Jesus, Yeshu, Isa is the same.
Allah, Khuda is same.
Sanatan Dharma, Hindu Dharma is same.

And about Hindu / Sanatan Dharma:
Why Hindus are different?
Because every religion on earth were started by Prophets, their commands became final words for that religion.
Hindus never had prophets. No god created religion. Our gods were follower of our religion.

Our religion always been accepted by others, without any force.
Venkat Says:
February 15, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Vashist Vishal

1. I am still waiting for Chacko to show me hatred in the christianaggression.org site

2. Manoj : You say
******** But I thin no religion is wrong. And all teaches the way of living. Some faiths and beliefs might differ.
You may call Jesus, Yeshu, Isa is the same.
Allah, Khuda is same. ************

Show me where does it say in Quran or in Bible that Jesus, Khuda, Allah are same. What you are saying is from the vedas which proclaim … truth is one, sages call it different names. So we Hindus or Sanathana Dharmas are able to accept Gods with all types of names and forms and all religions as well.

Where are the verses in the bible and quran to support your claim, Manoj?

In Christianity, Jesus is the only true God, all our Hindu gods are false. And Muslims believe — Islam is the only true religion and all is the only true prophet.

Please get your facts correct. And do not mislead people. Hindus are kafirs and infidels according to these religions. They do not accept our religion or gods.

Christian description of Hindu gods
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=KANCHAN7.txt&writer=KANCHAN&validit=yes

Treatment Of Kafirs In Islam
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/kafir.html
S D'souza Says:
February 15, 2007 at 3:41 pm
After actually visiting the site, I can’t imagine what sort of lawyer would dare to touch ChristianAggression.org with a legal barge pole, let alone a full-on lawsuit. Methinks you bluff, Chacko.

As for the name, it pretty much speaks for itself: Christian Aggression. Which is exactly what the site is about … documenting information on Christian religious aggression. If you can point out where it engages in actually promoting violence against Christians, maybe I would look at it differently.

By the way, nice choice of words: “involved in a CRUSADE to save India from the Christians”
n.krishna Says:
February 15, 2007 at 4:05 pm
India is now 6% Christian.due to aggressive conversion

The 2005 edition of the World Christian Database says that India is now 6% Christian. The government of India last conducted a census on the Indian population in 2001 said that Hindus were 81.4% of the population followed by Muslims at 12.4% and Christians at 2.3%. However, the more recent data from the World Christian Database states that Hindus are now 74% of the population and Christians are 6% of the population. The recent data suggests that the rampant and aggressive conversion by Christian missionaries is much more widespread than previously acknowledged. Religious breakdown in India according the World Christian Database:

Hindu: 74%
Muslim: 12%
Christian: 6%
Sikh: 2%
All other: 5%
Not religious: 1%

http://www.worldchristiandatabase.org/
Manoj Says:
February 15, 2007 at 4:45 pm
@ Venkat
>>You may call Jesus, Yeshu, Isa is the same.
Allah, Khuda is same.
Sanatan Dharma, Hindu Dharma is same.

* My comparison only between names
Name of Jesus: isa, yeshu etc
Name of allah: Khuda, parvardigar etc
Name of Hindu religion: Sanatan Dharma

Actually Vishal had some objection with name Hindu. I wanted to explain him Whats in name?

In India you can find Christians having Hindu names. In Indonasia 90% Muslims having Hindu names like Vishnu, Rama, Laxmi etc.

Even Christians in my town (got converted for money) still praying lord Ganesha at their home. Muslim women refused to abandon Mangalsutra.

And Friends Vatican funding missionaries in India:
http://www.missionindia.org/

Where is my friend??????
Must be busy with bare…..
Woke Says:
February 15, 2007 at 4:47 pm
n.Krishna,

We love to hear your views - please try to make it short and sweet like the one above. Not copy paste tons of text from other websites - 7 of your exceptionally long comments has been marked as spam.
Vas Says:
February 15, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Now that the truth about the devious, cruel and often barbaric deeds of the missionaries are exposed, Chacko and his/her lot, who no doubt profit enormously from selling Indian souls to the highest christian bidder, is livid with anger at the exposure. Many who have been mercilessly exploited by the christian missionaries because they were poor have always known about their two-faced, deviousness. But it is only with the advent of the internet that experiences can be told to wider audiences. So, before chacko condemns the web for their articles exposing christianity in India, maybe his/her approach should be to question the missionaries and christian fanatics in India on why they behave badly and exploit the masses all in the pretense of ’social work?’

Further, whether or not the web creators are based in the US is immaterial. The acts of these devious missionaries are universal. The truth therefore needs to be exposed! I fuly support the christianaggression website.
Manoj Says:
February 15, 2007 at 4:52 pm
@ Chacko the 007

EXTRACTS FROM http://www.missionindia.org
{Why India?
As Christians, we feel compelled to act…

Until the last generation, India was a forgotten nation on the far side of the world. Today it has leaped into the foreground as one of the most important players in world events.

India will soon surpass China as the world’s most populous nation. One of every six people on earth lives in India.
A nuclear standoff makes the border between India and Pakistan one of the most dangerous places in today’s world.
Poverty in India’s slums and rural villages is among the worst in the world. As Christians, we cannot ignore these needs.
India contains one fourth (412 million) of the 1.6 billion people on earth who never heard the Gospel.}

Wake up dude, be a true Indian, sue your cousins.
chacko Says:
February 15, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Manoj, The website you mentioned has nothing to do with the Vatican or any Indian Church. As its website says, “Mission India is a U.S. registered, tax-exempt 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.”
Manoj Says:
February 15, 2007 at 5:02 pm
yeah but the funding comes from vatican. Or though not from vatican, it comes from US. It means, foreign people interfering in our matters. We(Indians) are not resisting them. Why we (indians) should resist NRI?
Woke Says:
February 15, 2007 at 5:05 pm
I would like to make a point here. There is no denying that religious Christians and Muslims consider it one of their duties to bring non-believers to their religion.

So if some Hindus agree to convert their religion just by seeing money or other benefits - they are as guilty of having a petty mind as the people who offer it. I dont see why Hinduism as a religion should be proud of having them back just for the sake of numbers.

Any ideology which is true will have its set of followers no matter what propaganda happens. Because unlike the believers, an ideology cannot be killed.
Manoj Says:
February 15, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Woke
Its our duty to bring misleaded people on right track. These people are part of us.
I agree they remained in dark because of some pseudo-fundamentalists in Hindu. Now Hindus are getting back to ancient Vediac culture. We need thse people to be with us.
Venkat Says:
February 15, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Guys and Gals

I am sorry to say so far Chacko has not come up with shred of evidence that the website preaches hatred. It exposes hatred instead.

I hope Chacko like a true ‘Indian’ confronts his overenthusiastic preacher and threaten to sue them. They are the main cause of friction between Hindus and Christians and unfortunately normal Christians are caught in the tangle.

In Fabric is unique .. we are most the most diverse and pluralistic country, many shortcomings notwithstanding.

Let us enjoy this pluralism and secularism and try to to make a Christian nagaland or Muslim Kashmir our of the rest of the country.
Venkat Says:
February 15, 2007 at 5:27 pm
sorry. I forgot to add in the “not”

The last sentence should read

Let us enjoy this pluralism and secularism and try “not” to to make a Christian nagaland or Muslim Kashmir our of the rest of the country.
Woke Says:
February 15, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Manoj,
If you think they are misled, you should be helping to spread the values of Hinduism - not pointing out what is wrong with other religions. By doing so, you are only aping the people you are fighting against.
n.srinivasan Says:
February 15, 2007 at 6:36 pm
only foolish and self centered groups/ religions indulge in trying to interfere with religious beliefs of others.no one or no religion can claim patent on god or truth.
‘Sarva deva namaskaraha kesavam (or god by any other name ) prathigatchathi.all prayers addressed to gods by different names reach the ONE and the SAME GOD. to learn this truth all heads of all religious beliefs should visit india or at least try to read good religious books from india or from westerners who have studied vedanta.i was onced amused to hear from a protestant or pentecostal preacher that he had converted a catholic praying in the velankanni chuch in besant nagar chennai to his brand of christianity. possibly one day he will try to convert the pope too!
chacko Says:
February 15, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Venkat, Let’s wait a few more days and find out what happens and who is bluffing. How US authorities would react, how my FIR is taken up and what the US hosting company will do.

And Venkat don’t forget Lakshadeep Islands, they are 100% Muslims. And Sikkim, they are Buddist. And Kerala, more than 50% non-Hindus.

What does any of this got to do with my post?

Manoj,

->>Or though not from vatican, it comes from US. It means, foreign people interfering in our matters. We(Indians) are not resisting them. Why we (indians) should resist NRI?

The Vatican and the US are not the same. Christianagression.org is an American website. If you hadn’t noticed, this whole post was about THAT very point. Nothing else. Nobody is resiting NRI, I’m an NRI too. But if you give up your Indian passport, you are no longer a NRI.

And finally Mr S D’souza in Singapore. Unlike the US, Singapore has extreme measures against hate speech.
Woke Says:
February 15, 2007 at 8:01 pm
chacko,
whats with Singapore and D’souza?

He has a valid point - in that the site is only a compilation of articles and do not seem explicitly incite any hatred.
Manoj Says:
February 15, 2007 at 8:41 pm
@ Woke

You are right.

I am not pointing any other religion!

Neither m associated with christian aggression.

I am here just because I havent found any wrong thing on that website.

@ Chacko

I just wanted to show u Indian Missionaries getting fueled by non Indians. If you cant sue them, dont try to mess with Hindus in other countries.

Again @ Chacko the 007

Dont try to prove your computer knowledge, nobody is here to know who is who or who is where?

You cant detect anyone, even your knowledge(?) cant work here. I m from Pune not from Mumbai.

Waiting for your invitation.
dr.n.k.s.aravind Says:
February 15, 2007 at 9:21 pm
i think all those who see the world around them with open eyes can clearly make out how hindus are being converted. i dont find anything wrong if other hindus are worried about it. its natural, as natural as every one goes to toilet every morning. every race, community is and should be careful about its own existance. countries become stronger like that, look at israel. what if jews had same way of thinking as majority of hindus are having. they would have never got reunited.
my dear hindus, there is nothing wrong if you are worrried about conversions, its not a sin to protest against it, not a crime if you try to stop it.
but its definitely a crime if you support it.
in my own department there is a tecnician who tries to preach patients about christianity, he himself is a converted christian….
my dear secularists, dont be hypocratic, dont be so proud of your big penis, one day it will also get converted.
Raja Babu Says:
February 15, 2007 at 11:42 pm
hey Chakke Chacko, its high time u n ur likes STFU.
Venkat Says:
February 16, 2007 at 5:47 am
Chaccko

True Lakshadweep Islands, Kerala etc have high percentage of minorities. But they are not located in a conducive area such as in the borders. Eg in the North East states the Church virtually rules and actives encourages terrorism.

Christian Conversions and Terrorism in North-East India …Most of the terrorist organizations in the entire region follow this pattern. The Church in the North-East is also known to be associated with smuggling …

http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?id=1141970933&type=articles

Chacko, this subject needs as much of publicity as possible. So I look forward to your suit. Your help is appreciated.
sangu Says:
February 16, 2007 at 9:00 am
Chacko,
Where is your place in kerala?I think you have no guts to reveal your address.
Jayakumar Rajagopal Says:
February 16, 2007 at 10:24 am
Dear Christians,
I swear when I was doing college back in ‘92, one converted christian was claiming his penis size became 2 inches longer after he became christian and he was trying to convert everyone by promising to make it longer. Yes, I am 100% truthful, it happened. I answered him : ‘to make it longer, it is enough for me to look sexy photo. I don’t need christ’. I think, irrespective of your gender, christians will always think about penis which is 2.5% of body like Christians in India.

At one point of time the same 2.5% was ruling entire India. Even after independence of India in 1955, christians killed Hindu’s in Goa ( read Goa’s history).

thanks for your time,
Jay
Manoj Says:
February 16, 2007 at 10:41 am
@ Jay

Jay from Planet moon
My lawyer is making FIR, My software engineers will spot you very soon, My cops will catch you
Be prepared I will sue you.

Lolz
Jayakumar Rajagopal Says:
February 16, 2007 at 10:52 am
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0070/0070_01.asp
http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/christian-india-terrorism.html

Dear christians,
Please read the above links provided by our friends. After all you all belong to those
Manoj Says:
February 16, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Dont worry Jay,
I will sue them all. I am true indian thogh I dont know Madanlal Dhingra, Though I cant think beyond bollywood movies, I am indian.

I will sue you Jay.
Lolz
Prasad Says:
February 16, 2007 at 2:24 pm
@ dr.n.k.s.aravind

You are right sir, I have seen these Christians trying various ways to convert Hindus. Need for doing this is money and power. All converted people themselves feel shy that some fools have converted them. They feel shy that they have been fooled by using some tricks, and to hide that they are trying to make as many persons fools as they can.
Instead of working to correct the mis beliefs and superstitions they ran away. And now after being a Christian they pretend to do this holy work under the name of conversion.
I would like to tell these converted brothers that our doors are still open for you. You can come back and be a Hindu again.
You can get benefited by yoga and ayurveda.
Even if you don’t want to be a Hindu again,
you can use these sciences.
Abhishek Upadhyay Says:
February 16, 2007 at 2:44 pm
If go back to history you will easily know that Christians have been using lot of money power to increase their numbers.
Take example of East Timor,first Priests came there and preached peace.They increased in number and started terrorism against the govt.Once sucessful they divided and formed a new nation.Exactly this is what they plan in North East India.
In the name of God they are just spreading Christian hegemony in world.
Manoj Says:
February 16, 2007 at 3:10 pm
@ Prasad
You are right. Even in Pune I saw several Brahmins converted by Portuguese are still practicing Hindusism, they worship Sun daily.
They are vegetarian. But they call themselves a christian. Just because they hated Hinduism of medieval age (which was cursed with full of impurities). They are Practicing Hinduism, have access to temples but having a tag of Christianity.
Strange!
Venkat Says:
February 16, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Look at people that were targetted and converted — by Christian missionaries — Native Americans, Hawaiians, Aborigines of Australia, Maoris of New Zealand — they culture got destroyed, they were decimated, impoversished and enslaved.

Why missionaries do not send money to Christian countries in Africa, South America, Filippines — they all are reeking in poverty.

Hindus have to be very careful …otherwise one day we will end up like these dispossesed, decimated natives.

Check this out - the love of Christian missionaries.

Hindu Holocaust-Goan Inquisition
Historian Alfredo DeMello describes the performers of Goan inquisition as … The Goan inquisition is regarded by all contemporary portrayals as the most …
http://www.geocities.com/hindoo_humanist/goa1.html
Venkat Says:
February 16, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Look at this:

Weapons & Wine: A Case Of Tahiti
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/deception.html

In 1795 the London Missionary Society was formed, its immediate attention focused upon the Pacific; two years later a convict ship bound for Australia put the first missionaries ashore on Tahiti. It was four years before any of them learned enough of the local language to be able to preach a sermon to a puzzled though sympathetic audience.

The Tahitians built houses for them, fed them, and provided them with servants galore, but after seven years not a single convert to Christianity had been gained. The missionaries opted for a more brutal tactic and gained the upper hand by helping to reduce the local chief called Pomare to an alcoholic and then offered him backing in a war against other islands chiefs by supplying firearms (the enemy having only wooden clubs to defend themselves).

But Pomare would be backed in a war against the other island chiefs on the understanding that:

his victory would be followed by enforced conversion. Since Pomare was supplied with firearms to be used against its opponents’ clubs, victory was certain. ‘The whole nation’, Orsmond wrote, ‘was converted in a day.’ [18]

With their power base firmly established in Tahiti, the missionaries moved swiftly to the outer islands. The methods they employed were as before. A local chieftain would be baptised, crowned king, introduced to large quantities of alcohol and left to the work of converting his own people. Chieftains who put up any form of opposition were quickly shown the might of the missionary forces.

Where no resistance was found, a native teacher supported by a half dozen missionary police would take over an island within a week. [19] What a way to love your neighbour!
Manoj Says:
February 16, 2007 at 3:34 pm
Venkat From Mauritius
wait
I will sue you
In fact I started blogging to sue all people.
You all are wrong.
I am the great soul.

I will sue you
Jo Says:
February 16, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Vishal,

Let me put my thoughts here.

You said Hinduism is not a religion and “Only thing is Santana Daharam - which is a way of life to be practiced”. But I think its not true although many people try to prove the same. It’s true that it doesn’t have a centered body like Christians have, but it doesn’t mean it is not a religion. Religion is a way of life for many, so Hinduism is a religion. If Hinduism is not a religion, then we will have to say Islam is also not a religion and its just a way of life because they also do not have a centered religious body like Vatican for Catholics.

Hinduism, Christianity and Islam are all religions and at the same time a “way-of-life” and all of them preaches or follows their own way of life.

As for Hinduism in the present days, it does have a governing religious body and the only difference is its not a centered one, but multiple bodies based on castes. Paandi Samooham (for Tamil Brahmins), SNDP (for Eezhavas), Pulaya Maha Sabha (for Pulaya caste), NSS (for Nairs), Ezhuthachan Samaajam (for Ezhuthachans) and many many more as such. They work almost the same way as the Christian church. Theirs is a close-knit community (although it is different, based on the caste system) like Christian churches like RC.

So I do not find much meaning in the debate about “organized religion” and such crap.

I do agree there are conversions that are forceful based on the monetary benefits. But at the same time, there are many who have converted without any of these benefits and that is primarily because of the caste based differences they had to undergo in Hindu religion. Those of people who have seen only the Christian conversions shall take a look at the mass Buddhist conversions from Hinduism. What is the sole reason of those mass conversions? Caste based atrocities. During the birth anniversary of Ambedkar, there were mass conversions organized (every year its happening), and they do not do it for caste based atrocities. But since it is about the caste, most of the fundamentalist Hindus try not to speak a word about that.

Also it is a common mis-conception that ALL Christians try to convert people of other faith. It is not true. Atleast not the case with people whom I have seen here in Kerala.

I repeat what I said in a previous comment here, if a religion (or way of living as you put it) could survive more than 1000s of years, it will still survive if it has anything good in it. Why this insecurity feeling?

Fundamentalists, be it in any religion, try to take an advantage over its members. What we forget during this “getting-uglier-discussion” is just that.
Jo Says:
February 16, 2007 at 4:59 pm
One correction -

Read this,

During the birth anniversary of Ambedkar, there were mass conversions organized (every year its happening), and they do not do it for caste based atrocities.

as this:

During the birth anniversary of Ambedkar, there were mass conversions organized (every year its happening), and they do it because of caste based atrocities.
Venkat Says:
February 16, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Mass based conversions have no meaning be it to christianity or Buddhism. For example many converted to Buddhism due to Ambedkar. Had he converted to Islam/Christianity — his followers would have done the same.

Conversion is meaningful only if you have studied a faith for many years, explored it and then convert. This is how many westerners have taken to Buddhism in the west.

But converting due to anger, monetary inducements, coercion etc has no meaning. A person who converts to Buddhism one day .. he can easily convert to another religion - which offers more ‘fringe benefits’

All these just make a mockery of religion and god.
Rajendra Says:
February 16, 2007 at 6:06 pm
Everyone has freedom of expression. It is silly to ban this organization. As a Hindu, I support their views, and many American colleagues, who are no more Christians, feel the same way. Christians in India are out to destroy Hinduism. Example is YSR in Andhra- While temples are under govt. control in AP, so temple lands and money can be looted, the Mosques and Churches are left autonomous. Christians are aggressively trying to infiltrate into Tirupathi to build Churches. Can the Vatican allow us Hindus to build temples inside? Of course not. Can Mecca even allow non-Muslims in? Of course not. In India, Hindus are labeled as terrorists, while the true terrorists are made heros.

Try to ban CAIR or someother anti-USA organization- that is worthwhile. Meanwhile, I think the ‘Christianagression.org’ is well adviced toi remove their disclaimer on their website. Instead, I recommend that the organization insert ‘Christ never existed’ (read Ken Humphries’ book). This stupid cult is setting science education backwards in USA (especially in the Kansas!).
Nita Says:
February 16, 2007 at 6:37 pm
Ofcourse Jo, Hinduism is a religion. The reason I did not respond to Vishal’s comment was that it is so obvious that Hinduism is a religion that there was no need for me to respond.
Talking of casteism, every religion has its bad aspect. As Jo pointed out the caste system is the bad aspect of Hinduism. However we are doing everything in this country to remove this. It will take time for the society to change…but it will eventually. The changes are evident in urban areas now. Every right thinking Hindu wants to get rid of it. The main thing is acknowledge whats wrong and fix it. In fact the wonderful thing about Hinduism is its ability to accept criticism. Tolerance and acceptance of other view are the virtues of this great religion, and for me these qualities show an exalted state of mind, something beyond humanness. Something Godly.
Jo Says:
February 16, 2007 at 6:53 pm
>> Venkat: You are right Venkat. Mass conversions is mostly based on the Dalit activism and caste based issues.

I totally agree with your other thoughts on conversion as well. Rightly said.
Jo Says:
February 16, 2007 at 7:04 pm
>> Nita: The Caste system is not only the problem of Hinduism, but all Indians. Perhaps it is the Indian mindset (obviously formed through the ancient Hindu texts) to see the rich and colored in high esteem and see the rest in the poor light. Eventhough there were social reformers like Sri Narayana Guru in Kerala and Swami Vivekandan (It is a famous story that Swamiji called Kerala as a lunatic asylum when he saw the caste based atrocities in the old days) things haven’t changed much.

Christians are also not any different. All Catholics in Kerala think theier forefathers were Brahmins and proud to put it like that and mention their family names etc. They see Latin Catholics as second class since they believe Latin Catholics are converted fishermen.

I don’t think this Indian mindset has changed. A highly educated youngster once on top of a heating discussion explicitly wrote in his blog that the lower caste cannot ever challenge the Brahmin intelligence. See, it came from a young, educated and urban iyengar boy. I believe the urban people are more conservative than the rural peopel when it comes to caste based differences but they try not to show it publically. Education made people hide their real face and but the mindset remains the same.

Also we have to read this along with people treating those who do the “low-class” (according to the society standards) jobs. We see them as second class or third class. We have a thing or two to learn from the western countries like USA about how to respect people irrespective of their educational and financial background. We treat poor as second or third class citizens and do not value their dignity.

I can tell this with utmost honesty because I know it from my own experiences. I had worked as an office boy, workshop boy, bakery sales man and I worked for four years as a Goldsmith. No, it was not part of a hobby or earn-while-learn thing, but because of the poor financial condition of my family. I have experienced how people treated me when I said I was a Goldsmith. IT has changed my whole life and having a blue collar job in an MNC earns me a lot of respect. People who ignored me in the past days are now coming to me for advise on what profession should their sons/daughters should opt after their graduation. I can only smile seeing the eagerness on their faces.

I will stop now, I got too excited.

Unfortunately we are accusing each other on the basis of religion without changing this mindset of ourselves.
Jo Says:
February 16, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Venkat,

I just read your comment again and if you meant that mass conversions have nothing to do with caste based atrocities, I am not supporting that. Dalits are converting to other religions because they are denied justice in Hinduism and fundamentalist Hindus are venting their anger on them. The latest example is Khairlanji when an entire village raped an educated young girl and brutally murdered her and her family.

But you have a point there that there are conversions to Buddhism